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khwarezm posted:God it feels so weird imagining the Venture Bros without the Monarch's constant, unexplained harassment of Rusty. If you want another one: Doc invented the Guild for the testicular torsion episode to have a reason that Monarch would let them go. He really wanted to start an episode right in the middle of a crazy adventure with Grover Cleveland's presidential time travel machine, but then back off it. Coulda been a show without the Guild if he'd figured out some other reason. I think they probably would have cooked the Guild up anyway, even if it had been something else for that specific episode. You have to have a reason why these crazy people aren't just solving their problems with handguns.
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khwarezm posted:God it feels so weird imagining the Venture Bros without the Monarch's constant, unexplained harassment of Rusty. I mean, too lazy when they're barely figuring the show out is a lot different than trying to introduce a new cast of side characters in a season that has a complete setting shift.
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Aug 28, 2018 18:37
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PostNouveau posted:If you want another one: I thought they came up with the Guild for the yard sale episode.
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Aug 28, 2018 18:58
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Peewi posted:Have they started sending out shirts? I haven't received any shipping notifications. I emailed Titmouse to change my address and they said the first shirts would ship this week.
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Aug 28, 2018 19:05
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So The Monarch was a 6 when he had a Flying Fortress, hench army, and millions of dollars. Seems the steps gotta be pretty far apart.
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Aug 28, 2018 20:20
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420 Gank Mid posted:There was no mention at all of the Morpho Cave being out of stealth mode or really any mention or reaction about the Monarch's doublelife from Dr.Mrs. The Monarch this episode which was a little strange. I get the morphic trilogy is over and they moved 2 months on but not even a peep in what was otherwise a fairly monarch-heavy episode Given the nature of the show, they'll probably bring it up again at a time that's more dramatically or comedically important.
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Aug 28, 2018 20:42
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Moose-Alini posted:So The Monarch was a 6 when he had a Flying Fortress, hench army, and millions of dollars. Seems the steps gotta be pretty far apart. He was a 9 or 10 at that point. He became a 4 after Vatred blew up all his poo poo and has now worked his way up to a 6 by bringing on Manolo's crew as henchmen and getting the million dollar check from Dean. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUT2bkyzuSE
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Aug 28, 2018 21:33
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I also don't think they need to be really clear about what makes a six vs a seven or something, since the levels are only important in that Monarch still can't arch Doc until he works his way up. Was there a promo or teaser for the next episode? I swear I saw a hint of it when I was watching TV, but I had to chase after a puppy so I didn't actually see anything.
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Aug 28, 2018 21:49
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In season 6 episode 2 Monarch: “what level am I now?” Dr Girlfriend: “On the books, your a level 6. But that was when you had over a hundred henchmen and a flying cocoon. If I reassessed now.... maybe a 3” I literally just watched this, why it’s so fresh in my mind.
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Aug 28, 2018 21:49
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Moose-Alini posted:In season 6 episode 2 I think the main thing is that he has to be a 10, which means "at least theoretically in the same league as Red Death." And okay, Red Death is probably significantly scarier than any other level 10, (and he got there with no henchmen — I'm not even sure whether he uses powers or tech) but he has to come across as playing on that field. Although honestly a lot of the villains Wide Wale was leasing Rusty out to were either lower than 10 or there's a lot of give in the ratings.
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Aug 28, 2018 21:56
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Right, but back when he was a 6, so was Rusty. Now Rusty is a 10 after his vast inheritence and resources.
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Aug 28, 2018 21:57
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3 -> a condemned house and a badass right-hand man 4 -> a condemned house, a badass right-hand man, and train fare 5 -> a house, a badass right-hand man, a handful of 'henchmen' 6 -> 100+ henchmen, flying cocoon, competent partner, badass right-hand man 9-10 -> unlimited henchmen, flying cocoon, competent partner, badass right-hand man, flying car Seriously, what's so hard to understand
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Aug 28, 2018 22:00
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I mean Wide Wale's henchmen have powerarmor, he's got that tunneling whale tank thing, and he owns a massive skyscraper. That's definitely a step up from the monarch crew in its heyday.
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Aug 28, 2018 22:04
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RandallODim posted:3 -> a condemned house and a badass right-hand man
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Aug 28, 2018 22:05
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Moose-Alini posted:In season 6 episode 2 The clip I posted was from season 6 episode 7.  Maybe the flying car was worth 3 levels.
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Aug 28, 2018 22:10
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big dyke energy posted:Was there a promo or teaser for the next episode? I swear I saw a hint of it when I was watching TV, but I had to chase after a puppy so I didn't actually see anything.
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Aug 28, 2018 22:35
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Didn't they say Harangutan was level 10?
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Aug 28, 2018 22:44
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Rand Brittain posted:Although honestly a lot of the villains Wide Wale was leasing Rusty out to were either lower than 10 or there's a lot of give in the ratings. i dont see why you couldn't lease out your arching claim to less than level 10s, honestly wide wale as a landlord for rusty's nemesis rights both makes sense from a business perspective as well as is a great way to piss off the monarch
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Aug 28, 2018 22:47
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TK-42-1 posted:I mean Wide Wale's henchmen have powerarmor, he's got that tunneling whale tank thing, and he owns a massive skyscraper. That's definitely a step up from the monarch crew in its heyday. the artbook mentions he doesn't own the skyscraper, he simply owns a suite there (not that I don't agree with your overall point)
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Aug 28, 2018 22:47
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Preem Palver posted:The clip I posted was from season 6 episode 7. I know none of this matters, just a thought I had. But I took this more as overestimating himself, or just using as an example, not that he ever was at level 9 or 10 officially. 6 seems to have been his cap. Wide Whale and Monstroso seem to have billion dollar industries under their belts, with global reach and unlimited manpower. That’s really some next level stuff. I wonder where Red Deaths horse came from.
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Aug 28, 2018 22:52
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Also The Monarch was a 6 even with all his stuff because it was lovely guys in yellow jerkins getting shithoused by Brock. The cocoon was pretty cool, but other than that his tech has a history of not being very dangerous.
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Aug 28, 2018 22:55
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Dracula Factory posted:Also The Monarch was a 6 even with all his stuff because it was lovely guys in yellow jerkins getting shithoused by Brock. The cocoon was pretty cool, but other than that his tech has a history of not being very dangerous. I mean he just stole it all from Hatred so...not exactly high level villainy to not even make your own weapons. Outside of the hand cocoon web thing he used to marionette venture with that Red Death liked I guess.
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Aug 28, 2018 22:59
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I think that diagram of who was arching Rusty could have used some more thought. I think the people in the middle tier were definitely level 10, while the ones at the bottom could have been lower. Though the Andy Warhol type definitely seemed like he was more of a level 10 than Haranguetan. He seems more like a level 3 or 4.
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Aug 28, 2018 22:59
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Mraagvpeine posted:Didn't they say Harangutan was level 10? He was one of the people Wide Whale subcontracted arching rights to, iirc. For what its worth, he had a pretty cool "tank."
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Aug 28, 2018 23:02
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The monarch is a mere five but THE BLUE MORRRRPHO is strikes terror in both the Guild and the OSI as a NIIIIIIIINE
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Aug 28, 2018 23:03
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Mraagvpeine posted:Didn't they say Harangutan was level 10? I think Dr Mrs The Monarch called him a level 10 when they were retrieving the body, yeah. Maybe he used to be more impressive and fell on hard times between reassessments or something
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Cojawfee posted:I think that diagram of who was arching Rusty could have used some more thought. I think the people in the middle tier were definitely level 10, while the ones at the bottom could have been lower. Though the Andy Warhol type definitely seemed like he was more of a level 10 than Haranguetan. He seems more like a level 3 or 4. hell yeah, the doom factory not only crushed rusty's ego but they also stole his poo poo. it was a spectacular arch before they got blown up by the blue monarch i'm guessing harangutan was just good at provoking people and he was about to throw down with brock before he got god gassed. never got his chance to shine
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Aug 28, 2018 23:18
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Did anyone else point out the things Hank wants in his room?
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Aug 28, 2018 23:38
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It definitely seems like The Monarch was trying to punch way above his weight in this episode. Victor von Helping was definitely lower than he should have been. I'm guessing the fact that he doesn't want that life means he doesn't go full throttle very often, so the guild underestimated him.
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I think the guild ranking system is primarily a story device that exists to give the Monarch motivation, and while it's fun and produces some good comedic situations (Like Dr. Z performing a villain competence inspection or TURRRRRNBUCKLE), worrying about how it applies to every hero-villain match up and expecting the show to maintain a perfectly consistent internal logic in regards to it is not fun.
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Aug 29, 2018 00:33
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Maybe for you. I like to figure out how things work in the background.
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Cojawfee posted:Did anyone else point out the things Hank wants in his room? The kid's got good taste.
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Aug 29, 2018 00:44
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Someone trolled Dear Prudence: https://news.avclub.com/dear-prudence-has-some-advice-for-hank-and-dean-venture-1828657108/amp
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Cojawfee posted:Maybe for you. I like to figure out how things work in the background. Agreed, also if I ever run a Superhero RPG I'll probably end up stealing a lot of bits from this show for the world building
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feetnotes posted:I think the guild ranking system is primarily a story device that exists to give the Monarch motivation, and while it's fun and produces some good comedic situations (Like Dr. Z performing a villain competence inspection or TURRRRRNBUCKLE), worrying about how it applies to every hero-villain match up and expecting the show to maintain a perfectly consistent internal logic in regards to it is not fun. lmfao look at this nerdlinger But, yeah. MST3k had it right.
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Aug 29, 2018 01:51
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I'm resisting the urge to go back to season 2 when Phantom Limb said what level Rusty was, what level weapons the Monarch was allowed to use, and so on.
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Sash! posted:I'm resisting the urge to go back to season 2 when Phantom Limb said what level Rusty was, what level weapons the Monarch was allowed to use, and so on. Pretty sure those numbers were just referring to the guild packages available to him. Iirc it was "A number six; with henchmen"
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Cojawfee posted:Maybe for you. I like to figure out how things work in the background. How it works in the background - Doc and Publik made poo poo up about levels as they went along, it's never going to make sense if you think about it 
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Sash! posted:I'm resisting the urge to go back to season 2 when Phantom Limb said what level Rusty was, what level weapons the Monarch was allowed to use, and so on. He was discussing weaponry. The monarch's henchmen were using level 5 offensive weapons against a level 1 threat, no offense to Dr. Venture. I don't believe those levels of weapons have to do with the EMA level. Even if they do, an ordinary handgun as level 5 isn't crazy considering giant lasers and walking death rays are among the tools of evil.
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reignofevil posted:Pretty sure those numbers were just referring to the guild packages available to him. Iirc it was "A number six; with henchmen" That was a different episode Victor Echo November vs Hate Floats. Limb was selling the Monarch a guild package. Good god I know way too much venture bros poo poo off the top of my head.
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