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kiimo posted:The Packers are efficiently run despite having an alcoholic owner. The state of Wisconsin?
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Aug 28, 2018 18:52
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Aug 28, 2018 18:56
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a neat cape posted:Haven't the raiders already done this to the point where selling anything else would mean Mark would be giving up the controlling interest? Holy poo poo is this true? Great point. I never thought
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Aug 28, 2018 18:57
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Amy Pole Her posted:Holy poo poo is this true? Al Davis had about 47% prior to his death, but there were poison pills baked in making it essentially controlling. Not a lot of room left to maneuver. http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-silence-elders-tells-raiders-2009oct31-story.html
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Aug 28, 2018 19:11
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Someone should look out how much guaranteed money teams give out in contracts vs how rich their owners are
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Aug 28, 2018 19:41
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https://sports.yahoo.com/heres-raiders-khalil-mack-contract-stalemate-no-end-sight-053506892.htmlquote:The Oakland Raiders and Khalil Mack have made no progress on resolving a contract impasse that is now likely to result in the All-Pro defensive end missing regular-season games, according to sources familiar with the standoff. quote:• Head coach Jon Gruden has not been directly involved in talks, but the deal is not entirely in the hands of general manager Reggie McKenzie. While McKenzie has long had his own thought process on how Mack would be extended, a deal of this magnitude can’t be consummated without Gruden’s approval. Needing Gruden to sign off essentially has put him in charge of the purse strings when it comes to Mack’s extension (or lack thereof), which has apparently been a drag on talks that haven’t gotten off the ground. This was a point made forcefully clear by multiple sources – that unless team owner Mark Davis steps in, Gruden has the final say over whatever happens with Mack’s deal. This means whether Mack is traded, extended or shelved until reporting to the franchise on his current deal, Gruden’s final call is the definitive piece of the puzzle. ahaha Gruden is loving everything up also it looks like the Raiders won't give Mack up for something like a player + a first round, they want two firsts, which takes Green Bay off the table if that demand holds up imho, we're already butting up against the cap with Rodgers' contract, paying Mack and Rodgers and giving up significant draft capital and rookie contracts just isn't happening
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Aug 28, 2018 19:46
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Honestly I see the Raiders dilemma. It's tough to justify paying 20-25m a year to anyone who isn't a QB. Mack is one of the best edge defenders to ever play, he is a complete terror as a pass rusher and sets an unblockable edge in the run game. His game has no weaknesses and he is barely hurt and on the sidelines. Yet the Raiders defense is still abysmal with him. It's just the nature of how football has evolved that everything revolves around the QB now and so I think some football decision makers have decided that huge contracts should not be given out to other positions because, despite Mack's brilliance, his position can be schemed around and minimized by a good OC. You can't scheme away a great QB no matter how much defensive talent you have.
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Aug 28, 2018 19:52
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TIL that guaranteed money is placed in an escrow
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SKULL.GIF posted:https://sports.yahoo.com/heres-raiders-khalil-mack-contract-stalemate-no-end-sight-053506892.html Green Bay could just extend past this year, they have 38m in cap space in 2019 at a quick glance. The Rodgers extension will probably take 9m of that, so if they want to go all in they could do it money-wise. They look like they have a bunch of free agents and they would give up a ton of draft capital so it's probably doesn't make sense that way.
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SHOAH NUFF posted:Honestly I see the Raiders dilemma. It's tough to justify paying 20-25m a year to anyone who isn't a QB. Mack is one of the best edge defenders to ever play, he is a complete terror as a pass rusher and sets an unblockable edge in the run game. His game has no weaknesses and he is barely hurt and on the sidelines. Yet the Raiders defense is still abysmal with him. It's just the nature of how football has evolved that everything revolves around the QB now and so I think some football decision makers have decided that huge contracts should not be given out to other positions because, despite Mack's brilliance, his position can be schemed around and minimized by a good OC. You can't scheme away a great QB no matter how much defensive talent you have. The thing is, money is mostly irrelevant to finding a franchise QB. If you need one, you have to leverage draft assets until you find one, OR have a player caliber roster on the super rare chance one actually hits free agency. The Raiders problem is they're paying a bunch of money to over the hill vets who aren't worth it right now, which is dragging down the team. Mack at $25m isn't the problem, it's that they're still paying like 7 other guys $80m who are playing like they're worth half that.
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Aug 28, 2018 20:03
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That post would make me so jealous two years ago.
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1034446325713195008?s=20 Who’s this guy
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Aug 28, 2018 20:08
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Who even has 2 firsts to give up? Seems like the dumbest thing for a franchise to do unless they're betting on consecutive playoff runs.
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Kalli posted:The thing is, money is mostly irrelevant to finding a franchise QB. If you need one, you have to leverage draft assets until you find one, OR have a player caliber roster on the super rare chance one actually hits free agency. Those contracts were nessasary just a few years ago because the Raiders had been such garbage for so long they had to overpay to get anyone. I'm not really sure they're out of the woods yet.
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Aug 28, 2018 20:22
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Who even has 2 firsts to give up? Seems like the dumbest thing for a franchise to do unless they're betting on consecutive playoff runs. I feel like anyone with the cap space to sign him can delude themselves into trading for him except maybe the bears
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Aug 28, 2018 20:32
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https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1034527488498651137 https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1034524071822802944 wandler20 fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Aug 28, 2018 |
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Aug 28, 2018 20:46
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Demon Of The Fall posted:https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1034446325713195008?s=20 Linebacker drafted in 2016 for his pass rushing ability who Dean Pees tried to convert to ILB. He might be useful if you play him at the position he has some productive experience in, but given that Pees is currently running your defense, I don't know if I'd hold my breath.
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Aug 28, 2018 20:48
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Demon Of The Fall posted:https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1034446325713195008?s=20 An OLB moved to ILB under then Defensive Coordinator Dean Pees where he proceeded to suck balls, so luckily he'll be playing in Tennessee under....oh
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If cutting Iloka made the numbers work for these deals then godspeed George https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1034533011470143488 Good luck with Aaron Donald LA GOOD TIMES ON METH fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Aug 28, 2018 |
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FizFashizzle posted:I've never heard that in my entire football following life. weird Asian candy posted:I heard yesterday on the radio that as soon as game 1 hits, teams get that sweet sweet tv deal money and the Raiders would be able to afford him then. Kalli posted:The thing is, money is mostly irrelevant to finding a franchise QB. If you need one, you have to leverage draft assets until you find one, OR have a player caliber roster on the super rare chance one actually hits free agency. LMAO, this is all a bunch of bullshit.
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:If cutting Iloka made the numbers work for these deals then godspeed George Donald's deal was already quoted at 22m/year
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warcrimes posted:LMAO, this is all a bunch of bullshit. Very convincing argument
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SKULL.GIF posted:Part of the issue is that the Davis family got rich through football and nothing else. For the other billionaire owners, football is just a part of their total cash flow. Green Bay had cash problems before the Lambeau remodel in 2003. There were talks of having to move the team. The proshop and everything else from the renovation has been enough to keep the revenue not only up but towards the top of the league.
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Pops Mgee posted:Green Bay had cash problems before the Lambeau remodel in 2003. There were talks of having to move the team. The proshop and everything else from the renovation has been enough to keep the revenue not only up but towards the top of the league. The remodel went really well, and I think the stadium looks a lot better than it did prior to it. They also can rent out the atrium for events as well, namely weddings.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Who even has 2 firsts to give up? Seems like the dumbest thing for a franchise to do unless they're betting on consecutive playoff runs. With the caveat that I don't think Mack is going anywhere until proven otherwise I believe Green Bay is the only team that currently owns two first round selections next year. Theirs and New Orleans.
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a neat cape posted:Very convincing argument It has more merit than people putting stock in limo drivers and false financial assessments.
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I think Mack might actually end up stuck in a bit of limbo this season between the Raiders apparently not being interested in paying him what he's worth and the rest of the league not being in a great position to both trade for and pay the man
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Aug 28, 2018 22:38
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The Raiders are slightly less dead than Bosa
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a neat cape posted:Very convincing argument War crimes stopped trying months ago.
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Play posted:I think Mack might actually end up stuck in a bit of limbo this season between the Raiders apparently not being interested in paying him what he's worth and the rest of the league not being in a great position to both trade for and pay the man McKenzie has a long standing policy of not re-negotiating contracts or extension talks unless the player has reported. He did it with Donald Penn last year, who ended up holding out 30+ days but eventually showed up and got paid. Raiders also have a lot of leverage here, Mack is under contract this coming season and can be franchised until he's 30. Mack's agent, Joel Segal, has a history of contentious negotiations but Mack stands to lose roughly $800k a game and a year of FA eligibility if he misses actual games. The Raiders are about to become the only team in the league paying two guys $20m each so the "just pay the man" crowd needs to chill. This isn't an easy negotiation but I'm confident it will get done. The Raiders are not trading Khalil Mack. Quote this when he's a Detroit Lion.
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Rather pay Mack 23m a year than Sammy Watkins 16m a year to be the 4th offensive option
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Who even has 2 firsts to give up? Seems like the dumbest thing for a franchise to do unless they're trying to take over the nfl. Is this rhetorical?
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warcrimes posted:McKenzie has a long standing policy of not re-negotiating contracts or extension talks unless the player has reported. He did it with Donald Penn last year, who ended up holding out 30+ days but eventually showed up and got paid. Raiders also have a lot of leverage here, Mack is under contract this coming season and can be franchised until he's 30. Mack's agent, Joel Segal, has a history of contentious negotiations but Mack stands to lose roughly $800k a game and a year of FA eligibility if he misses actual games. The Raiders are about to become the only team in the league paying two guys $20m each so the "just pay the man" crowd needs to chill. This isn't an easy negotiation but I'm confident it will get done. I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing but that's exactly what I meant by 'limbo'
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what the gently caress e: oh, as in Khalil
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Play posted:I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing but that's exactly what I meant by 'limbo' It was more of a "this is where things actually are, stop taking click bait seriously" than directly refuting what you're saying. I think once Donald signs and his actual details get out, Mack reports and they get a deal done quickly so he is in a kind of limbo atm.
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