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Piell posted:Fun fact, those two little girls whose sister died are sold into slavery and died of overwork! Ok, you don't have to make fun of... Overlord Wiki because of course I had to check posted:In the Light Novel, her sisters were sold into slavery and eventually died from overwork. What in the actual gently caress Overlord Wiki still posted:In the Web Novel, she became Shalltear's sex toy WHAT IN THE ACTUAL gently caress
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Aug 29, 2018 00:24
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I think what's getting to me about Ains and his posse is that most of the cruelty inflicted onscreen is towards villains, with the occasional good person getting caught up and swiftly revived. The real evil poo poo is kept off-screen, like the 10k civilians rounded up like cattle by Demiurge or the people being skinned for parchment by...Demiurge. Seeing Ains and Co. emotionally torturing people that he admits he coerced into invading Nazarick, followed by slaughtering guards as a show of force is changing my more benign view of him. Suddenly Ains, who before was more of a neutral/evil-adjacent character now looks rather petty and pathetic. Mostly I'm just worried that my guilty pleasure Anime has gone headfirst into tormenting/slaughtering innocents forever.
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Aug 29, 2018 00:30
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Bloody Pancreas posted:I think what's getting to me about Ains and his posse is that most of the cruelty inflicted onscreen is towards villains, with the occasional good person getting caught up and swiftly revived. The real evil poo poo is kept off-screen, like the 10k civilians rounded up like cattle by Demiurge or the people being skinned for parchment by...Demiurge. Seeing Ains and Co. emotionally torturing people that he admits he coerced into invading Nazarick, followed by slaughtering guards as a show of force is changing my more benign view of him. Suddenly Ains, who before was more of a neutral/evil-adjacent character now looks rather petty and pathetic. Spoiler for future events Luckily, this is the worst of it.
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Aug 29, 2018 00:38
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Taikuri posted:Ok, you don't have to make fun of... There's a reason why this arc is widely reviled by the novel readers(almost nobody read the original web novel, which is pretty different and has gross poo poo like the aforementioned and also several characters like Albedo don't exist). Thankfully, this is easily the worst it ever gets in terms of pointless torture porn. That's not to say that Nazarick is never gonna do Bad Stuff Again, just that it won't be pointless torture porn. Bloody Pancreas posted:I think what's getting to me about Ains and his posse is that most of the cruelty inflicted onscreen is towards villains, with the occasional good person getting caught up and swiftly revived. The real evil poo poo is kept off-screen, like the 10k civilians rounded up like cattle by Demiurge or the people being skinned for parchment by...Demiurge. Seeing Ains and Co. emotionally torturing people that he admits he coerced into invading Nazarick, followed by slaughtering guards as a show of force is changing my more benign view of him. Suddenly Ains, who before was more of a neutral/evil-adjacent character now looks rather petty and pathetic. Ains goes loving crazy on them in large part due to whats his face having the nuts to inadvertently lie about meeting another one of the 41. He had no idea what he was doing when he did it but that's like an Omega Trigger Button for Ains. He was already going to kill them because they raided the Tomb(it doesn't matter if they were induced into it by a Nazarick plot, these guys willingly took the job to enter the tomb), but that's a really good way to ensure you die Extra Horribly. Kanos fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Aug 29, 2018 |
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Aug 29, 2018 00:40
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Piell posted:Spoiler for future events Luckily, this is the worst of it. Ok that's good then. Hopefully we can get back to Nazarick toying with fools that deserve it though Gazef and friends has me worried... Kanos posted:Ains goes loving crazy on them in large part due to whats his face having the nuts to inadvertently lie about meeting another one of the 41. He had no idea what he was doing when he did it but that's like an Omega Trigger Button for Ains. He was already going to kill them because they raided the Tomb(it doesn't matter if they were induced into it by a Nazarick plot, these guys willingly took the job to enter the tomb), but that's a really good way to ensure you die Extra Horribly. Yeah I basically squared Foresight's fate by the fact that they were not just adventurers, but unlicensed ones taking a job that even they could tell smelled super fishy. At least Arche('s VA) lives on with spidermaid. Bloody Pancreas fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Aug 29, 2018 |
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Aug 29, 2018 00:45
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ainz is mostly indifferent to both cruelty and kindness. he'll use them as needed, but he doesn't really get any satisfaction from either. likewise, ainz doesn't really care that demiurge is a sadistic monster and sebas is an upright gentleman.
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Aug 29, 2018 00:49
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:ainz is mostly indifferent to both cruelty and kindness. he'll use them as needed, but he doesn't really get any satisfaction from either. likewise, ainz doesn't really care that demiurge is a sadistic monster and sebas is an upright gentleman. He generally errs on the side of mercy, largely because due to his emotional suppression he tends to view things in a very objective and strictly value-oriented manner and there's usually no worth in torturing or killing someone if you can leave them alive and mine some benefit out of them later(see Carne Village, the Lizardmen, Hamsuke, etc). The only times he'll err on the side of cruelty are when there's some benefit to it, if it's part of a plan, or someone has done something to offend or piss him off personally. He's "evil" alignment according to his sheet but based on his actions I'd probably put him as neutral trending toward evil.
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Aug 29, 2018 00:54
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Part of me wonders if he was just having a really tough time at work or something when he wrote this arc. (he still works full-time as a salaryman, and Overlord is just a hobby for him.)
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Aug 29, 2018 00:54
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Accounts I've read vary on whether Arche's fate was changed in the LN because of fan response or if the fans kept her alive in the WN and Maruyama just axed that idea in adaptation. In either case, brutal
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Aug 29, 2018 00:57
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I think you need at least some development of the Workers to show that what Ainz is doing is Wrong, or else you'll just think of them as more disposable mooks who deserved it.
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Aug 29, 2018 01:22
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I thought the arc was fine in the book, it just hammers home that Nazarick is full of evil and we're following the villains of the story. One detail that didn't quite come across in motion is how much of an rear end in a top hat Ainz was in the fight, he was using Time Stop because to him that's just a given for PVP, but 9th tier magic doesn't really exist in this world and the workers didn't know what the gently caress was going on. It's nice to get on to Jircniv's arc, he's probably my second favourite human in the series.
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Aug 29, 2018 02:55
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Kanos posted:He generally errs on the side of mercy, largely because due to his emotional suppression he tends to view things in a very objective and strictly value-oriented manner and there's usually no worth in torturing or killing someone if you can leave them alive and mine some benefit out of them later(see Carne Village, the Lizardmen, Hamsuke, etc). The only times he'll err on the side of cruelty are when there's some benefit to it, if it's part of a plan, or someone has done something to offend or piss him off personally. Darth Bane believed the same thing, killing people for no reason is wasteful even if you have no idea what possible use they might have (which ended up saving him later). But I wouldn't say that made him neutral, he did use ancient sith sorcery to murder both the Jedi army of light and every other sith and trapped their souls in eternal torment for the rest of eternity. Ainz is evil, he just can't be cartoonishly evil or the books would suck and nobody would like his character. Stink Billyums posted:I thought the arc was fine in the book, it just hammers home that Nazarick is full of evil and we're following the villains of the story. One detail that didn't quite come across in motion is how much of an rear end in a top hat Ainz was in the fight, he was using Time Stop because to him that's just a given for PVP, but 9th tier magic doesn't really exist in this world and the workers didn't know what the gently caress was going on. Exactly, Nazerick is all assholes. If anything this reminds you of his PVP MMOs roots, theres always some max level guy in full pvp gear ganking lowbies. This series is about an evil over powered guy steamrolling people, thats what we signed up for. I'm not looking for him to turn into a hooker with a heart of gold. I havent been to the One Punch Man thread in a while, are they upset a guy who can defeat the worlds most powerful bad guys with one punch entered a martial arts tournament he could easily win and calling him petty?
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Aug 29, 2018 03:14
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I think this episode was interesting character development for Ainz as a villain, particularly when he ordered Arche's death. Previously most of the bad stuff Nazerick has done has been due to his inaction rather than an active choice. He seems to on some level admire noble or courageous actions and sometimes rewards them (see the Lizardman arc) but lacks the human empathy required to spare someone who angered him. Overall I think this arc as presented in the anime was fine, although I understand that page after page of poorly translated torture porn would sour LN readers. Maybe we didn't need to see those other Worker groups getting clowned but the Foresight thread was solid.
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Aug 29, 2018 03:33
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Taikuri posted:WHAT IN THE ACTUAL gently caress Actually now I remember they completely dismembered her.
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Aug 29, 2018 03:57
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This season is pretty much shows the result of the removal of Ainz's empathy towards humans, the emotion suppression, and mixed with his deep care for his friends and what they left behind; he becomes a monster himself.
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Aug 29, 2018 04:20
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Bloody Pancreas posted:I think what's getting to me about Ains and his posse is that most of the cruelty inflicted onscreen is towards villains, with the occasional good person getting caught up and swiftly revived. The real evil poo poo is kept off-screen, like the 10k civilians rounded up like cattle by Demiurge or the people being skinned for parchment by...Demiurge. Seeing Ains and Co. emotionally torturing people that he admits he coerced into invading Nazarick, followed by slaughtering guards as a show of force is changing my more benign view of him. Suddenly Ains, who before was more of a neutral/evil-adjacent character now looks rather petty and pathetic. I mean the show goes out of its way to animate Ainz raging out because the workers brought up his old friends. His feelings wrt the Guild Ainz Oowl Gown are pretty much the only main facet of his character. I don't think we're supposed to think he's a good guy for killing a bunch of randoms for pissing him off - but it's in line with his character. He probably would have been more open to negotiation if they hadn't mashed their fingers on his one hot-button issue so hard.
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Aug 29, 2018 04:32
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The thing with Ainz is that, in all honesty, he's really not a good person. Even ignoring the way he treats people in the New World, and the fact that he was a troll in Yggdrasil, there's still the fact that he was a corporate robot in a ruined near-future. Everything in his non-gaming life revolved around appeasing the bosses and keeping his head down; and now that he's the boss of his own "company," he acts in a manner that he wished his former bosses had. Namely, he only cares about Nazarick and is utterly, mercilessly brutal towards anything that does not directly contribute to its maintenance and growth.
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Aug 29, 2018 04:49
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High point of an otherwise grim episode: That excited shriek from Shalltear when Ainz tossed his coat away. 
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Aug 29, 2018 05:46
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His Lich nature made him worse however. In his real life, he was still possessed of basic morality, and was noted for a being a squeamish non violent person. Like when he first sees the slaughter at Carne Village at the very start, he states that he would have normally felt sick at seeing something like that, but instead he feels nothing not even sorry for the people getting killed. And when he kills one of the attackers he was amazed that he was able to just take a life and not feel anything.
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Aug 29, 2018 05:50
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Surprise, Ainz was the villain all along. Maybe thread title is a little ironic. tsob posted:I was wondering where people were watching this subbed. It's on Crunchyroll in the US then I take it? It's only available on Funimation dubbed in the UK/Ireland, so I'm several episodes behind. I like the dub though and find a lot of the voices perfect (though that could just be from being used to it), even if they're occasionally a bit iffy to make out so I don't mind too much. I'm from Norway, but Crunchyroll has put all if the episodes in the season 1 folder in case you missed it that way.
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Aug 29, 2018 06:02
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it seems like the intent is to gradually strip away his human qualities. ainz was originally a sad, lonely man who pined for the time he was surrounded by friends because he lived a miserable life in a miserable world. that's been twisted into only caring about things related to those friends, putting them on pedestals no lower than the guardians do.
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Aug 29, 2018 06:04
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:it seems like the intent is to gradually strip away his human qualities. ainz was originally a sad, lonely man who pined for the time he was surrounded by friends because he lived a miserable life in a miserable world. that's been twisted into only caring about things related to those friends, putting them on pedestals no lower than the guardians do. Has it really been twisted? He's always put them on a pedestal. As you say, he's a sad, lonely man who lives a miserable lonely life in a miserable world. Literally the only time we're aware that he ever found friendship and happiness and generated positive memories was while playing Yggdrasil with his friends. Waxing nostalgic for that time and wanting to return to it is only natural. He only ends up in the new world in the first place because of maintaining the guild until the very end in hopes that they would come back. Hell, he's got even more reason to wish for them to be with him again now that he IS his character, since he's currently living as basically a lonely god over a tomb full of worshippers who he feels unable to share his fears and insecurities with for fear of damaging their loyalty.
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Aug 29, 2018 06:16
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they were just people who played a mmo. not perfect deities or perfect loving friends. they had other things going on in their lives which is why they stopped playing yggdrasil. maybe they looked back fondly on their days with a monster-themed pvp guild, but unlike ainz they obviously didn't dedicate their lives in remembrance to that time. even if ainz attained his fondest wish and could meet them again, it wouldn't turn out any way he'd enjoy.
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Aug 29, 2018 06:30
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peroronchino and his sis would be his irl friends isnt the irl world of overlord like weird and hosed up though
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Aug 29, 2018 06:39
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Space Flower posted:peroronchino and his sis would be his irl friends it's a heavily polluted sci fi dystopia, yeah.
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Aug 29, 2018 06:51
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 Oh Ainz, you arent making any sense...
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Aug 29, 2018 06:53
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I don't get the people calling this arc pointless. We have learned: -There are adventurers outside of the guild -The training and reclassing of Hamtaro is working out -Ains is definitely not a good person, especially when he gets triggered -Nazarick can withstand assaults on a budget, without reliance on any floor guardians -The effects of deity based magic can now be researched -The tomb's location has been unveiled -Do not waste any part of the buffalo And with all that, we've also had a snapshot of another country from the inside. It's not the highest brow content, but it's far from meaningless and we get to see characters not previously mentioned or otherwise ignored get a bit of screen time. It's been a good and snappy arc.
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Aug 29, 2018 07:05
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What we still havent figured out: why is the merchandising for this show so weak? Ainz has a nendoroid and thats it, but if you want an expensive tiddy statue they got you covered.
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Aug 29, 2018 07:10
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Taikuri posted:WHAT IN THE ACTUAL gently caress
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Aug 29, 2018 07:15
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Poil posted:Didn't Dimirgue begin the season by mentioning his new monster-human breeding program? Things could have been even worse for her. Who wants to join my monster-human breeding program? you'll earn college credits...
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Aug 29, 2018 07:16
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:they were just people who played a mmo. not perfect deities or perfect loving friends. they had other things going on in their lives which is why they stopped playing yggdrasil. maybe they looked back fondly on their days with a monster-themed pvp guild, but unlike ainz they obviously didn't dedicate their lives in remembrance to that time. even if ainz attained his fondest wish and could meet them again, it wouldn't turn out any way he'd enjoy. If any of them happened to get sucked into a world where they had to be their character all the time forever, they might be pretty amped to know they had friends in the same situation, at least. HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:I don't get the people calling this arc pointless. We have learned: The arc itself isn't pointless and does have a purpose in the story, it's mostly people objecting to time being spent fleshing out characters whose only role in the developing story is to immediately be tortured to death. The novel was far worse about this because it went into much greater detail about all of the characters and their motivations; it even gave backstories on Old Man Squad and the dickhead swordsman with the elf slaves.
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Aug 29, 2018 08:09
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The dickhead with the elf slaves always got off too easy.
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Aug 29, 2018 08:45
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I knew it had to be coming, but I'm still sad Arche at least didn't make it out alive. Put me down as interested in seeing one of Ainz's old MMO pals pop up as their character but have no desire to hang out with him, or to suggest that they should try to get back to the real world. Now that's a freakout and probably subsequent fight that I want to see.
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Aug 29, 2018 09:06
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Overlord K posted:High point of an otherwise grim episode: That excited shriek from Shalltear when Ainz tossed his coat away. She does it again after his berserk rant is cut short by his emotion suppression, then cocytus yanks her back into her seat or whatever.
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Aug 29, 2018 09:08
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Mordaedil posted:The dickhead with the elf slaves always got off too easy. That's still my favorite part of this arc. He gets chumped by an oversized hamster. Then the elf girls start kicking his corpse while the others are wondering if that is how they honor their dead. This has been a pretty good arc and not nearly as bad as the novels. It helps that the workers all had selfish reasons for entering, Ainz even double checked this. Sure some were more noble than others. But they're raiders who got cocky.
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Aug 29, 2018 09:11
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I like thinking about the carryover from d&d expanding beyond callbacks to spells, and imagining that Foresight's leader rolled like an 18+6 deception skill check when he needed a natural 20 to luck into the perfect lie that saves them all.
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Blackchamber posted:What we still havent figured out: why is the merchandising for this show so weak? Ainz has a nendoroid and thats it, but if you want an expensive tiddy statue they got you covered. Look for it in your local grocery store! 
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Aug 29, 2018 13:59
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SpartanIvy posted:Look for it in your local grocery store! Do they even make purple ketchup anymore? I liked that stuff as a kid.
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NowonSA posted:I like thinking about the carryover from d&d expanding beyond callbacks to spells, and imagining that Foresight's leader rolled like an 18+6 deception skill check when he needed a natural 20 to luck into the perfect lie that saves them all. The authors D&D experience really shines through with character backstories and personalities. It really makes the characters interesting enough that you become happy with most of the perspective switches. And there are all the drama cds, ple ple pleiades episodes, and even a spinoff gag manga 'overlord: the undead king' that feed the desire to have more content with these characters. https://mangadex.org/title/25473/overlord-the-undead-king-oh This is a 4-koma non-canon spinoff, where such things as 'Albedo and sebas desperately try to make Ainz laugh', 'nazarick does a theater production of snow white', and 'Nazarick sports day' happen. Only 6 chapters though so far.
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