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I'd buy that too. Just seems like one of those "Mike voice" things nerds latch onto to justify making a fifteen minute long youtube video.
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Isn't Cap usually listed as not powered in the comics too? Like yeah serum and vita rays, but the end result was "exactly as good as a human could conceivably get to without superpowers and not one step further?" So presumably the comics just have a really loose definition of enhanced.
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Aug 28, 2018 19:33
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616 Cap depends on who's writing him, but Ultimate Cap was explicitly superhuman and the movies took a lot from that
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X-O posted:He got his powers well after that. When Fury gave him a blood transfusion in Fear Itself. Okay? That doesn't contradict what I said. At the time he was Captain America he had no powers.
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MCU Bucky was enhanced at the prison camp when he was captured in the First Avenger, he just doesn't know it. His first replacement arm is clearly not vibranium as it's destroyed by Stark when Cap's shield holds up. His second arm? Perhaps that's vibranium.
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i wouldnt be shocked if shuri refused to give bucky a vibranum arm
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site posted:i wouldnt be shocked if shuri refused to give bucky a vibranum arm She seemed kind of into him tbh
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I'm not even sure what Wakandan tech even looks like if it wasn't made via vibranium. We've mostly only seen "impossible wonders made possible only by vibranium," "African antiques," and "impossible wonders made to look like African antiques." I mean, I presume they have a few modern-style manufacturing methods available if only to keep up their second-world pretense; it just doesn't really seem like they'd have a lot of plans lying around for "awesome metal arm for a superhero, but not made out of our magic miracle metal that's just for us."
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i mean, it took shuri ten seconds to know how to build a superior version of vision, im sure she could figure it out
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site posted:i mean, it took shuri ten seconds to know how to build a superior version of vision, im sure she could figure it out Yeah, I guess there's no point in trying to apply tech trees to Shuri.
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Rand Brittain posted:I'm not even sure what Wakandan tech even looks like if it wasn't made via vibranium. We've mostly only seen "impossible wonders made possible only by vibranium," "African antiques," and "impossible wonders made to look like African antiques."
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Nessus posted:I assume she could just replicate the old one, possibly cleaned up and with a better grade of interior parts. There is no reason to give the colonizer a sound laser if he doesn't need one to live. Yeah, my question was more "do they even have advanced tech that isn't made with vibranium, because why would they work on non-vibranium tech trees when vibranium seems to make everything better." And the answer is "yes, because those kinds of concerns don't apply when you're a superhero working in a (highly-advanced laboratory built into a) cave with a bunch of scraps (of highly-advanced technology)."
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site posted:i mean, it took shuri ten seconds to know how to build a superior version of vision, im sure she could figure it out One of the things I will be very surprised if it isn't in Avengers 4 is White Vision, with Shuri rebuilding Vision from his remains.
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I can't see Shuri making a super metal arm that isn't made of Vibranium. What even would be the point in that? Endless Mike posted:Movie Hawkeye sucks, though. You suck 
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SonicRulez posted:I can't see Shuri making a super metal arm that isn't made of Vibranium. What even would be the point in that?
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Comic Book Cap was explicitly "peak human," but what humans are capable of is ludicrously exaggerated in comics. See: half of what Batman does, or old school Kingpin one-hand tossing desks and poo poo. There was even a dude in the Avengers Initiative training camp series or whatever that was Captain America level in terms of physical ability (not the training or experience, obviously), but via a diet and exercise regimen formulated by the guy that developed the original serum. It was an alternate route to achieving the same thing, it just took more work. Bucky's enhanced now, as of some time during Fear Itself, but did a bunch of a goofy poo poo long before then and who knows if any writers even remember him getting enhanced. Movie Cap, physically, seems to lean more toward Ultimate Cap who as someone pointed out IS legitimately superhuman. I lurk on dumb comics debate forums a lot, and general consensus seems to be that Movie Cap is tougher/faster/stronger than 616 Cap but not as potent as Ultimate. Mileage (and writers) may vary. It was definitely implied that Movie Bucky's been altered by experiments, but I don't think they ever really spelled out if he's superhuman outside the robot arm, or if he's just on some really good protein.
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twistedmentat posted:One of the things I will be very surprised if it isn't in Avengers 4 is White Vision, with Shuri rebuilding Vision from his remains. I'm willing to bet that Vision shows up as a ghost person who is stuck inside the Mind Stone and helps take control of the Gauntlet when Thanos is distracted. You know, like Adam Warlock in the original Infinity Gauntlet.
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Aug 29, 2018 12:09
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Captain America took some steroids and became better than everyone else Conclusion: take steroids
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Movie Captain America stopped a helicopter from taking off with his bare hands and frequently jumps out of planes and jets without a parachute. He's literally on a different level than comic Cap.
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X-O posted:Movie Captain America stopped a helicopter from taking off with his bare hands and frequently jumps out of planes and jets without a parachute. He's literally on a different level than comic Cap. And if Bucky can go toe to toe with him it stands to reason he's also been enhanced, like how is this even a point of contention
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Aug 29, 2018 13:55
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They started ramping comic Cap up post 9/11 during the JRN run. He jumps out of a plane without a parachute and leaves deep footprints when he lands. And Brubaker made a point to emphasis the "super" part of super-soldier.
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This is true, but comic book Cap still isn't stopping helicopters with his bare hands.
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Zzulu posted:Captain America took some steroids and became better than everyone else Whoa whoa whoa, he also got into a tanning booth.
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X-O posted:This is true, but comic book Cap still isn't stopping helicopters with his bare hands. I feel like post MCU Cap has to have done something on that level.
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Zzulu posted:Captain America took some steroids and became better than everyone else I learnt this from Roger Ramjet decades ago.
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Zzulu posted:Captain America took some steroids and became better than everyone else It has to be the right steroids, otherwise it turns you evil
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Marvel has a silly thing where keywords like Enhanced and Powered and Super Powered etc. mean specific thresholds, so while Cap is well above what any normal human can reach overall he's not actually Super Powered because he doesn't break the barrier in any individual category.
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X-O posted:This is true, but comic book Cap still isn't stopping helicopters with his bare hands. Back during Dan Jurgen's run on Cap, he stopped an ICBM with a shield toss. Okay it had only just been launched and wasn't in orbit, but still he took it out with one toss of his shield.
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The Question IRL posted:Back during Dan Jurgen's run on Cap, he stopped an ICBM with a shield toss. Okay it had only just been launched and wasn't in orbit, but still he took it out with one toss of his shield. His shield is magic metal.
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Whatever Cap does is justified because Cap can do anything, imo. I mean, one-stone Thanos whales on Hulk, totally dominates him and Cap puts up enough of a resistance to Thanos to make him go hmmmmm In watching the three Captain America movies over the last couple of weeks, I noticed how the drama is either incited by or entirely based around Cap defying traditional authority. zoux fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Aug 29, 2018 |
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X-O posted:This is true, but comic book Cap still isn't stopping helicopters with his bare hands. It's not that hard, you should lift some weights and unlock your true potential.
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My personal feeling is that Cap is about as powerful as Jason, the Red Ranger, while Bucky is about as powerful as Rocky, the red ranger.
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Zachack posted:It's not that hard, you should lift some weights and unlock your true potential. 
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:My personal feeling is that Cap is about as powerful as Jason, the Red Ranger, while Bucky is about as powerful as Rocky, the red ranger. Ouch In the movies they straight up say Bucky is enhanced/experimented on but they go out of their way to only show feats of super strength with his robot arm. They probably (wisely) realized if he wasn't a little supped up that robot arm would just rip out of the socket every time he tried to lift/push/etc but wanted to keep him just under Cap otherwise.
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Zachack posted:It's not that hard, you should lift some weights and unlock your true potential. When I go to the gym, I like to think that I'm training like Cap and Batman.
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At the rate technology is moving forward, I figure my chances of being radiated or getting a super suit go up way faster than it'll take me to look like Chris Evans.
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I've never really confirmed this but in Incredible Hulk, wasn't Blonsky's "phase 1" transformation (the fight in the park) supposed to be a cheap knock off of the super soldier serum?
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Yeah I think it was stored in a tank with the same project name or something.
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Kingtheninja posted:Yeah I think it was stored in a tank with the same project name or something. And Avengers notes that Banner's research into gamma radiation was trying to identify and replicate the vita-rays part of the process.
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pubic works project posted:When I go to the gym, I like to think that I'm training like Cap and Batman. I actually do the Stephen Amell "Arrow" routine. But at about 25% of the weight.
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