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80s James Hetfield posted:Ive been looking on the official page but I cant find a yes or no but is Grand Prix Richmond being streamed this weekend? Not only is it being streamed, they are going to be trying a new thing where they are going to show Reid Duke every single round (till he drops). Legacy stream starts on Friday and Sunday will be Standard. quote:Together with our partners at Wizards of the Coast, we are always looking to improve coverage, and we are very excited to try something very new, and very different for our Legacy coverage from Grand Prix Richmond. For the first time, we're going to follow one of the biggest names in the game through every turn of their GP experience, and for this unique look under the hood of a tournament, we've turned to one of the best Legacy players in the world - Reid Duke. https://www.cfbevents.com/reid-duke
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Pioneering new ways to make watching tournament magic too boring to follow
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Aug 29, 2018 20:52
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mossyfisk posted:Pioneering new ways to make watching tournament magic too boring to follow We found the one person who doesn't like Reid
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Aug 29, 2018 20:57
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ShaneB posted:We found the one person who doesn't like Reid Watching Reid play = good Watching the same deck in every single round of coverage, in a tournament with more deck variety than any other format = not as good It's not like he's going to pick an "interesting" deck for the sake of coverage, he's going to pick Miracles or Delver or whatever he feels the "best" deck is, and we'll miss out on all the crazy matchups that happen at Legacy GPs. Edit: And of course, there's the potential of viewers getting bored of the same deck every round => viewership drops => WotC says people don't want to watch Legacy => WotC has an excuse to cut legacy GP support even further.
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Aug 29, 2018 21:06
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AlternateNu posted:Threshold would be pretty sweet. So I know this was a while ago but I'd just like to point out that Graft is an '8' because of digital issues - every graft thing has a trigger every time any creature ETBs, even with no counters left, and mtgo is awful at this.
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Aug 29, 2018 21:07
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:Watching Reid play = good Sounds like he's not going to be on stream every single round, just sometimes will be on the main cam and will basically always be the backup/timewalk match. Will be a good watch as it will likely be a clinic in how to play whatever deck he chooses. I think it's a neat idea as long as they show a good variety for the rest of the main/timewalk matches. Also might not matter at all if he doesn't do well and drops.
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Aug 29, 2018 21:12
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:Watching Reid play = good You're not going to watch the same deck every round, he's going to be matched against lots of different people. I think it sounds really interesting.
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Aug 29, 2018 21:14
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It looks like Reid played Grixis Control at the pro tour.
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Aug 29, 2018 21:15
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Sounds like he's not going to be on stream every single round, just sometimes will be on the main cam and will basically always be the backup/timewalk match. Will be a good watch as it will likely be a clinic in how to play whatever deck he chooses. I think it's a neat idea as long as they show a good variety for the rest of the main/timewalk matches. Also might not matter at all if he doesn't do well and drops. Don't get me wrong, I love the concept, I just wish they'd tried it on a Standard GP first so they could see what kind of impact it had on viewership numbers.
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Aug 29, 2018 21:17
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Tainen posted:It looks like Reid played Grixis Control at the pro tour. Do you have a link handy for his list? I've been looking for an excuse to use all of the Grixis staples I've had lying around without just going full-bore GDS.
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Aug 29, 2018 21:22
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C-Euro posted:Do you have a link handy for his list? I've been looking for an excuse to use all of the Grixis staples I've had lying around without just going full-bore GDS. https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1254469#paper
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Aug 29, 2018 21:28
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Oh wait crap I thought this was for Modern, lol nevermind.
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Aug 29, 2018 21:32
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C-Euro posted:Oh wait crap I thought this was for Modern, lol nevermind. Looks like Corey Burkheart was the only Modern Grixis Control player at the PT. Here is his list. https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1254275#paper For those that missed it here is a link to all 600+ decks from the PT https://www.mtggoldfish.com/tournament/pro-tour-25th-anniversary
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Aug 29, 2018 21:34
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Tainen posted:It looks like Reid played Grixis Control at the pro tour. He did, and he also played it in the last legacy challenge to a 3rd place finish. It's a safe bet that's what he will be on.
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Aug 29, 2018 21:37
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:Watching Reid play = good Yeah man it's pretty hosed up that they're going to pair him against the mirror every single round. PhyrexianLibrarian posted:Don't get me wrong, I love the concept, I just wish they'd tried it on a Standard GP first so they could see what kind of impact it had on viewership numbers. You're complaining about deck diversity yet you want this to happen first in Standard lmao
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Aug 29, 2018 21:56
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I get the complaint. It's not like Reid is going to play an interesting deck. He's like 90% on any given day to be on whatever the best black + X deck full of generic good cards is. The gameplay will be boring at best. But Reid is better than almost anyone at explaining his thought process.
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Aug 29, 2018 22:01
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suicidesteve posted:I get the complaint. It's not like Reid is going to play an interesting deck. He's like 90% on any given day to be on whatever the best black + X deck full of generic good cards is. The gameplay will be boring at best. But Reid is better than almost anyone at explaining his thought process. I hope they actually mic up the play area. It’s annoying when the commentators mention something the players are taking about when we can’t hear them on stream.
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Aug 29, 2018 22:09
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suicidesteve posted:I get the complaint. It's not like Reid is going to play an interesting deck. He's like 90% on any given day to be on whatever the best black + X deck full of generic good cards is. The gameplay will be boring at best. But Reid is better than almost anyone at explaining his thought process. Reid videos are great, I wish he made more. Sometimes I think watching him play Bxx midrange is more valuable than playing the decks myself.
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Aug 29, 2018 22:16
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Tainen posted:I hope they actually mic up the play area. It’s annoying when the commentators mention something the players are taking about when we can’t hear them on stream. They are going to mic up him and his opponent, apparently.
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Aug 29, 2018 22:37
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Tainen posted:I hope they actually mic up the play area. It’s annoying when the commentators mention something the players are taking about when we can’t hear them on stream. Marshal Sutcliffe was talking about this on the Limited Resources podcast. Originally, Reid was going to do coverage on this tournament but he's very close in the Player of the Year race so he's playing instead. On the rounds where Reid was scheduled to be in the booth, instead they're going to mic up the players and Marshal will be alone in the booth (and mostly be quiet unless he's gotta explain something), he compared it to those old Poker After Dark shows.
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Aug 29, 2018 22:39
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Tainen posted:I hope they actually mic up the play area. It’s annoying when the commentators mention something the players are taking about when we can’t hear them on stream.  I also like seeing people actually annunciate their plays instead of mumble through them or remain goonily silent, but I realize that’s hit or miss
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Aug 29, 2018 22:40
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Lone Goat posted:You're complaining about deck diversity yet you want this to happen first in Standard lmao Um yes, I think the format where > 25% of the metagame is a single archetype is less diverse than the format where all the top decks only make up 5-8% of the metagame. And I think showing the same deck every round makes the coverage less diverse, and that's less of an issue in a format where you're already statistically more likely to show the same deck each round because people are playing fewer different decks. (Numbers: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/standard#paper and https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/legacy#paper)
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Aug 29, 2018 22:42
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Lone Goat posted:Marshal Sutcliffe was talking about this on the Limited Resources podcast. Ok this could be pretty cool then. It’s at least worth testing out.
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Aug 29, 2018 22:50
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i was just thinking about arena and something i've been wondering about. drafts are infinity loving expensive and bad ev because you "keep the cards," but anyone drafting regularly is going to be keeping what, less than 5 cards per draft? and even anyone who drafts casually is going to be keeping less than half of a draft deck at some point. i just wonder if that occurred to wotc at all, and its hard to imagine it didnt.
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Aug 29, 2018 22:55
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Lone Goat posted:Marshal Sutcliffe was talking about this on the Limited Resources podcast. I also didn't know this. This is a really cool idea.
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resistentialism posted:I keep feeling like a brain geneouisss playing this dumb mono blue fliers deck on arena. Play tempest djinns and protect them with janky inexpensive crap like siren stormtamer, hope of girhaptur and dive down, and win. Well - that's the way to win on Arena now. If you can play a deck that basically functions while having very few redemption targets, you get matched against a bunch of "terrible versions of staple decks" and "garbage fires that include a few staple cards", and you win. I love ruining days with my now-mostly-blinged-out Turbo Fog deck, but I'm quite sure my win rate is higher with "Black 1 Drop.dec" (which I built just to quickly pass 'cast 30 black spells' quests) or Banefire Elves.... and it's not because those are better decks. If you really just want to win Arena Freeplay, the best deck is probably a very-out-of-favor older deck - like, Dynavolt Tower or something. B- power level, but shares very few rares with current popular decks.
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rabidsquid posted:i was just thinking about arena and something i've been wondering about. drafts are infinity loving expensive and bad ev because you "keep the cards," but anyone drafting regularly is going to be keeping what, less than 5 cards per draft? and even anyone who drafts casually is going to be keeping less than half of a draft deck at some point. I don’t feel like they are super expensive and it feels really easy to go infinite or at least near infinite. I bought $50 worth of gems when they first released them and still have around 4000 left after doing 4 or 5 drafts a week since.
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rabidsquid posted:i was just thinking about arena and something i've been wondering about. drafts are infinity loving expensive and bad ev because you "keep the cards," but anyone drafting regularly is going to be keeping what, less than 5 cards per draft? and even anyone who drafts casually is going to be keeping less than half of a draft deck at some point. In Arena (at least for me), draft isn't the way to grind coins, it's the payoff for grinding coins. Unless you're winning a very high percentage, it's not a sensible way to get the most cards.... but it's obviously solid value if you enjoy drafting (and, uh, playing Magic) - drafts cost $0 instead of $20. In paper Magic it makes more sense to consider the value of the cards you're getting - but it still doesn't add up worse than opening packs. Someone is getting all the drafted cards, so the EV for the table sums to the same EV as everyone just opening their 3 packs. For each player, there's some minor variation based on how willing they are to rare draft, or how much the cards they like to draft overlap with the cards they want to have... but in the end the total dollar value of cards exiting the draft is going to be the same. (To be clear: opening packs in any way is usually not a great way to get "the cards you want"... but it doesn't make it worse to draft them).
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Tainen posted:I don’t feel like they are super expensive and it feels really easy to go infinite or at least near infinite. I bought $50 worth of gems when they first released them and still have around 4000 left after doing 4 or 5 drafts a week since. In a way, it's impossible not to "go infinite" in Arena. As long as you occasionally "play lands" and "cast spells", you're going to win games (or at least complete quests), and have enough coin income to do a draft once in a while. I think Arena is the right move for Wizards, but I'm sure it'll cannibalize some MODO players who just wanted to do some drafts - and now can do so for free without worrying about winning enough tickets worth for another round. (whoops, meant to join my posts together, but hit a bunch of wrong buttons - sorry for rambling multipart garbage). jmzero fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Aug 29, 2018 |
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Sickening posted:Convoke is awesome. We’re not getting a red convoke card in a set where convoke is explicitly the GW mechanic of the set.
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Entropic posted:We’re not getting a red convoke card in a set where convoke is explicitly the GW mechanic of the set. I kinda hope that each guild has it's own mechanic but then they also have 5 bleed over mechanics like convoke would cross over into boros because the guilds are working together. maybe in the third set when everyone has to team up against bolas?
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https://twitter.com/nascarfath/status/1034735676535787520 Pikula
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:Um yes, I think the format where > 25% of the metagame is a single archetype is less diverse than the format where all the top decks only make up 5-8% of the metagame. And I think showing the same deck every round makes the coverage less diverse, and that's less of an issue in a format where you're already statistically more likely to show the same deck each round because people are playing fewer different decks. Don't use MTGGoldfish metagame numbers. WotC intentionally releases MTGO decklists in a way to make that information worthless for discerning a metagame.
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Pikula getting in would be a joke. Lee and Seth both deserve it.
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Aug 30, 2018 00:01
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Tainen posted:Not only is it being streamed, they are going to be trying a new thing where they are going to show Reid Duke every single round (till he drops). Legacy stream starts on Friday and Sunday will be Standard. You see, this is how you make esports stars always bet on duke duke duke duke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNOyI9V2RfE
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the funniest part of that video is when he tried to say that Umezawa's Jitte didn't see a lot of play
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BizarroAzrael posted:Well if it's Selesnya's mechanic then you're out of luck! It would actually be cool if they let mechanics bleed across guilds. Like Convoke could be base Selesnya but it's obvious that some other guilds on Ravnica could make use of a throng of supporters in their own ways, like Orzhov or Rakdos or even Boros (imagine a whole rank of Boros foot soldiers all lending their unit's battlemage their strength to help cast a fire spell.) Of course Maro probably thinks that the target audience's tiny minds will pop like a balloon as they grapple with the idea of multiple guilds sharing keywords in such a fashion. And the thing is, he might be right.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if guilds sharing keywords was part of the third set, honestly.
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Mr. Locke posted:I wouldn’t be surprised if guilds sharing keywords was part of the third set, honestly. Yeah thats definitely a third set thing TBH, given Maro's comments about shoving all ten guilds into one set being a failure, I fully expect them to do tricolor stuff in the third set as a way to neatly sidestep that particular problem
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jmzero posted:Well - that's the way to win on Arena now. If you can play a deck that basically functions while having very few redemption targets, you get matched against a bunch of "terrible versions of staple decks" and "garbage fires that include a few staple cards", and you win. Agreed. I've been having a blast with my mono-G Mushroom Tribal deck, since I mostly get paired up against B/G Constrictor, W/G Cats, U/G Merfolk and janky R/G Dinosaurs or Dragons decks. Deck: SHROOOM! Creatures 4 Llanowar Elves 3 Wildgrowth Walker 4 Sporecrown Thallid 2 Vine Mare 4 Yavimaya Sapherd 4 Tendershoot Dryad Instants 4 Spore Swarm Sorceries 4 Saproling Migration Enchantments 2 Fungal Plots 3 Song of Freyalise 3 Path of Discovery Lands 23 Forest AnEdgelord posted:Yeah thats definitely a third set thing I'd be happy if they did that, but only if we got a completed cycle of functional reprints of the Invasion block Dragon's Lairs, the best tri-lands.
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