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Arivia posted:Look you can’t expect me to jerk it to a lady with green plastic skin! Brb need to find a lump of green plastic
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Half-Life 1 also got a lot of mileage out of the voice clips misleading you. They never reload and they never flank, but they say they are and the game spawns them in smart enough ways that you might think they are.
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Aug 30, 2018 16:34
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dogstile posted:Brb need to find a lump of green plastic  Barudak posted:Half-Life 1 also got a lot of mileage out of the voice clips misleading you. They never reload and they never flank, but they say they are and the game spawns them in smart enough ways that you might think they are. This was a big part of F.E.A.R.'s AI too. Similar mindset where they level design is what makes or breaks how good the AI appears to the player and then having the AI never shut up about what it's doing is what really sells it consistently. I think my favorite detail of that is in RAGE as much of a mess as that game was overall. If an enemy throws a grenade and it ricochets back to him but the game determines if it can't be evaded in time and if now anyone near the guy who through it will start yelling at him and asking him what the gently caress he was thinking. So like you're on the high ground, you see a grenade headed your way plink off a railing and fall back on the thrower and hear a "WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH Y-*BOOM* 
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Aug 30, 2018 16:40
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sebmojo posted:i'm gonna SHOOT you in the FACE The correct phrase is "I'm gonna beat the poo poo out of you. With BULLETS!"
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Aug 30, 2018 16:42
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I remember reading about Half-Lifes skeletal animation system in maybe 1996 and thinking valve were goddamn wizards. I was playing Duke Nukem 3D, Half-Life looked like something from ten years in the future. So many systems in Half-Life were revolutionary even if it was, at times, smoke and mirrors (like flanking AI)
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Aug 30, 2018 16:48
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pretty sure this is canon I think one of my very favorite things about the Doomguy is how heavily they hint at his goofy sense of humor which he's managed to hang on to somehow even after eons of ripping demons apart
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Neo Rasa posted:This was a big part of F.E.A.R.'s AI too. Similar mindset where they level design is what makes or breaks how good the AI appears to the player and then having the AI never shut up about what it's doing is what really sells it consistently. Yeah I really want to go through FEAR again, its a loving lite horror action film with amazing segments.
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dogstile posted:Yeah I really want to go through FEAR again, its a loving lite horror action film with amazing segments. Hell yeah FEAR is awesome. I forget what the consensus was on all of follow ups but I had some fun with them too, but the coop in FEAR 3 was the best. 
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Aug 30, 2018 18:09
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My biggest regret with FEAR was saving all the big gun ammo for a final boss that never came.
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Aug 30, 2018 18:13
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FEAR was weird because it did the super macho badass action SO WELL *slides across the ground and kicks a terrified soldier in the face, blows him away with shotgun while walls explode around you* but the story is actually a horror story where a little tortured creepy girl turns people inside out or whatever I liked it, but it was definitely whiplashing quite a bit for me
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Aug 30, 2018 18:16
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Best loadout in FEAR was akimbo pistols, shotgun and something else because the pistol was crazy good that they toned it down on both Extraction Point and Perseus Mandate.
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Aug 30, 2018 18:17
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Zzulu posted:FEAR was weird because it did the super macho badass action SO WELL The sequel features combat mech piloting and Ghost Rape. Tone is all over the place
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Zzulu posted:FEAR was weird because it did the super macho badass action SO WELL The sequel features combat mech piloting and Ghost Rape. Tone is all over the place
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Did it also feature a lot of recursion?
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I'll never get what people see in FEAR, the environmental destruction was cool but I thought that every single gun felt like total poo poo. Most of them were really inaccurate and had crazy recoil. Nevermind the level design was just endless office spaces, industrial basements, and what I think were sewers?
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Deakul posted:I'll never get what people see in FEAR, the environmental destruction was cool but I thought that every single gun felt like total poo poo. Water treatment plants.
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Aug 30, 2018 20:02
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FEAR's levels were really repetitive looking and bland, but saying the shooting sucked is one piping hot take. 
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Aug 30, 2018 20:04
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Deakul posted:Nevermind the level design was just endless office spaces, industrial basements, and what I think were sewers? The reason was that they built the levels as big "blocks" of things that they could re-order, move around, and edit easily. So they became very generic. Very square, very bland, no recognizable landmarks.
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I remember only one land mark in Fear and it was the fat programmer gently caress you had to escort. What I remember most about the shooting was that the guns were clunky as hell and poo poo but when you actually had bullets hit your enemies they felt satisfyingly nasty to offset that. drat shame each subsequent game got further and further from that.
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Aug 30, 2018 20:17
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The third game let you be a cackling ghost man.
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Yeah I'm watching a video with FEAR gunfights; the firing sounds are loud, bullets spark like crazy when they hit, and dudes explode with blood. It's pretty awesome.
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Deakul posted:I'll never get what people see in FEAR, the environmental destruction was cool but I thought that every single gun felt like total poo poo. Bad opinion spotted.
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toasterwarrior posted:Yeah I'm watching a video with FEAR gunfights; the firing sounds are loud, bullets spark like crazy when they hit, and dudes explode with blood. It's pretty awesome.
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Safeword posted:The third game let you be a cackling ghost man. Couldnt you only play that in multiplayer? I seem to recall that if you played solo you were stuck playing shooter man and shooterman was very not fun. Almas rape victim exploding in a pile of gore and the tedious to play but aesthetically cool haunted suburb were the only memorable things
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Barudak posted:Couldnt you only play that in multiplayer? I seem to recall that if you played solo you were stuck playing shooter man and shooterman was very not fun. Almas rape victim exploding in a pile of gore and the tedious to play but aesthetically cool haunted suburb were the only memorable things You could play as Fettel in Co-op but if you played solo, it was only available if you beat the game as Point Man (so sort of NG+ thing). F3AR wasn't great but shooting was decent and playing as a ghost dude was the best. Still not even close as how good FEAR 1 was.
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sebmojo posted:OG Doom used mouselook, it was just left and right not up and down. Worked really well. Yes, and in chocolate doom you have left and right only as well. The problem (imo) in OG doom is that "up and down" motions with the mouse translate into "walk forward/back". I remember playing with keyboard only back in the day because I hated the way the mouse controlled, even before there was anything to compare it against it felt wrong
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d0s posted:Yes, and in chocolate doom you have left and right only as well. The problem (imo) in OG doom is that "up and down" motions with the mouse translate into "walk forward/back". I remember playing with keyboard only back in the day because I hated the way the mouse controlled, even before there was anything to compare it against it felt wrong I played OG Doom arrow keys+alt to strafe with shift to run and ctrl to fire and spacebar to open doors/secrets. I also played Quake1 keyboard only, including multiplayer  HL1 was my first m+kb game afaik.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:I played OG Doom arrow keys+alt to strafe with shift to run and ctrl to fire and spacebar to open doors/secrets. I also played Quake1 keyboard only, including multiplayer I was kind of the same way until Quake came out and we started deathmatching on the powermacs in my high school's digital art (photoshop) class, I tried with the keyboard first and got owned repeatedly by mouse users, went home and downloaded the demo and basically trained myself to play an FPS "properly", then went back and did way better. It helped that a guy in the class gave me the console commands to have full (modern style) mouselook in quake, iirc by default it's doom style with no options in the menu to switch. e: it's hard to believe now but it was incredibly disorienting to have proper mouselook for the first time, and it was not "natural", it actually felt really awkward for hours until it clicked. maybe this is why it wasn't a menu option. d0s fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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Decided to fire up DO4M for fun and I have a razer keyboard now I didn't have the last time I played it. Turns out Razer has a unique RGB profile for the game that responds to gameplay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vZ8CXg7u1c This video makes me want to consider getting phillips hue bulbs for enhancing the play of games that have profiles like this. With those bulbs + the keyboard and mouse effects, the game has a very arcade look and feel.
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thanks to this thread, my yt recommendations are full of doom and I'm just really happy about rediscovering the d44m launch trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO90omga8D4 That music is pretty sweet
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Mordja posted:It's also got a shotgun that turns people into a fine mist, a nailgun that pins bodies to walls and ceilings, and several different flavours of superweapon. The thing that sold me on FEAR being real special was in the demo, seeing two dudes across the way from me, unaware, and I shot one with the nail gun and took his head clean off and pinned it to the wall behind him. His buddy yelled “poo poo!” and immediately started firing... nowhere near where I was. Like not even remotely close. He freaked out, but had absolutely no clue where the shot came from. Back when it came out, the very idea that AI could have a state between unaware and aimbot death laser was just mind boggling.
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Oh boy, completely forgot how much the double trouble SSG upgrade screws over Hell Knights. 
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Safeword posted:Oh boy, completely forgot how much the double trouble SSG upgrade screws over Hell Knights. Bind SSG to MWHEELUP, bind gauss cannon to MWHEELDOWN, now you can do perfect rotations and even shoot both in the same double jump.
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PS4.  And multiplayer is more enjoyable than I remember. I'm still awful at it, however!
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doomguy on my workbench, a constant reminder to RIP AND TEAR
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Safeword posted:PS4. aw, you've got active multiplayer on PS4? I think the Xbox servers shut down a couple months after I got the game last year, I thought it was the same across all consoles. drat
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It's just gone on sale which has probably helped. Seeing a ton of newbie armours running around.
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Deakul posted:I'll never get what people see in FEAR, the environmental destruction was cool but I thought that every single gun felt like total poo poo. At one point in the game an invisible solder appeared, drop kicked me, then jumped clear up into the ceiling ventilation and ran away. I guess that's dumb AI or something but it was one of the most simultaneously hilarious and sudden things I've ever remembered in gaming, and I loved the immense pressure that the enemies in that game put on you if you tried to hide in cover.
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d0s posted:It helped that a guy in the class gave me the console commands to have full (modern style) mouselook in quake, iirc by default it's doom style with no options in the menu to switch. I bound +mlook to something like F12 and scotch taped it down for a few weeks before I figured out how to turn it on in the console. 
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Spacedad posted:Decided to fire up DO4M for fun and I have a razer keyboard now I didn't have the last time I played it. That looks cool. How's razer build quality these days?
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