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Nebakenezzer posted:"Here's Thursday op-ed: I decided that anybody that grew up under GW Bush, Obama, and then Trump is almost certainly going to think the system is completely hosed up and will likely go socialist..." My friend who was a die hard Bernie supporter now loves David Brooks and reads the NYT everyday. Is also a super big fan of Bill Maher. He basically excuses or hand waves every lovely thing they say or do with "what's wrong with reaching across party lines? You're just being tribalist. You can't judge a person's whole life based on one little thing they said or did(when Bill said the N word and David's sandwich story)". Talking to him feels like more and more of a waste every time I see him. But I also feel like I should keep arguing with him or else he's just gonna decent deeper into that pit and one day I'll see him on the news talking about the violent left pushing him into Trump's camp.
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GalacticAcid posted:when you see a single mother Reminder that this guy taught at Yale.
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Aug 30, 2018 21:45
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A course on humility where he assigned his own columns
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Aug 30, 2018 22:09
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Willie Tomg posted:NPR had miheil saakashvili on memorializing mccain and keeping up the liberal saber rattling at russia and i spit out my breakfast remember when NPR had david horowitz euologize howard zinn
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https://twitter.com/kalhan/status/1035182031511216131 the model minority myth-driving new york times
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zegermans posted:remember when NPR had david horowitz euologize howard zinn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0ZIEvMu5NI&t=78s
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Aug 30, 2018 22:21
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Willie Tomg posted:Yes this shift literally occurred in the early 80s and Network was supposed to be a dystopian satire when it was in theaters, and then it mostly entirely happened IRL. i mean sure it's gotten worse, but it probably wasn't ever even tolerable
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comedyblissoption posted:based on how chomsky spoke about the news contemporaneously during the 70s, i have a feeling that the corporate news has always been a poo poo dystopia it could definitely be criticized on its merits for sure. and then those merits got sold off in tranches. look at vietnam reporting, and then imagine the world we'd live in if journalists were a tenth as rigorous about the iraq invasion. it literally took the soldiers taking Torture Selfies to confirm that tortures still happened in Abu Ghraib. and now even in "enlightened" forums like D&D Sy Hersh is an eternally forsaken catspaw of Russian Influence. Willie Tomg has issued a correction as of 22:39 on Aug 30, 2018 |
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Aug 30, 2018 22:37
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also william blum cites extreme anti-bolshevik and anti-communist propaganda in killing hope regarding the soviet union in the 1910s-1930s including egregious absurd lies from the NYT the idea that communists eat babies was regularly printed in american newspapers during those times
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i would also imagine that the insanity of the red scare and mccarthyism in the 1940s-1950s had large establishment support in the media through constant propaganda
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Aug 30, 2018 22:40
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the vietnam era is probably not really any different than today honestly during the vietnam war the media typically just uncritically printed government propaganda about the war sure later on they reported on the pentagon papers due to the washington post which was way less prominent a newspaper than today, but is that really any different than the NYT printing about how bush misled the country about WMDs well after the iraq war was perpetrated and well after the NYT pushed war propaganda on everyone to lead us into the war and build support for it
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Willie Tomg posted:Yes this shift literally occurred in the early 80s and Network was supposed to be a dystopian satire when it was in theaters, and then it mostly entirely happened IRL. Glenn Beck explicitly cited Howard Beale as a role model in interviews, and now he's too tame to keep up in the world of qanon and unironic flat earth theorists.
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comedyblissoption posted:also william blum cites extreme anti-bolshevik and anti-communist propaganda in killing hope regarding the soviet union in the 1910s-1930s including egregious absurd lies from the NYT comedyblissoption posted:i would also imagine that the insanity of the red scare and mccarthyism in the 1940s-1950s had large establishment support in the media through constant propaganda all true. my opinion is rooted mostly in broadcast TV journalism, tbh, because its a thing i wanted to do for a long time before i graduated into the Great Recession, and. well. you can probably write the rest of the paragraph yourself. there was a multi-decade moment, though, where the idea that news could and should be run as a loss leader for the network-as-such. and then that model broke down. and now that entire TV medium is in its death throes and what's left is being carved into pieces by a selection of tech billionaires feeding swathes of bullshit to atomized demographies and surprise! it looks like The Algorithm has determined that everyone is down with white supremacy. Weird! comedyblissoption posted:the vietnam era is probably not really any different than today honestly it categorically is not and i don't know what the antonym for rose sunglasses is, but you've got 'em on right now. smoked shades? idk. for starters: there were reporters on the ground in vietnam and there have not been unembedded reporters in An Theater since the new milennium barring local stringers like Ghaith Abdul Ahad.
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'Rice also does not qualify as "a child" under Washington Post methodology, because we looked at a picture of him and decided he looked big and scary.'
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also the media reporting on the watergate scandal in the 70s is ironically an example of the media being subordinate to power since they at the time basically didn't talk about cointelpro. it's okay to talk about palace politics and it might look like speaking truth to power or whatever but don't be mistaken https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGIYam3p-Yc
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comedyblissoption posted:also the media reporting on the watergate scandal in the 70s is ironically an example of the media being subordinate to power since they at the time basically didn't talk about cointelpro. it's okay to talk about palace politics and it might look like speaking truth to power or whatever but don't be mistaken its less okay in 2018 to talk about cointelpro than it was in 1990. Willie Tomg posted:it could definitely be criticized on its merits for sure. and then those merits got sold off in tranches.
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cointelpro is basically what we accuse the soviet union doing to its own citizens btw with an army of secret police lol (IDK the veracity of these claims against the soviet union since I'm an american) it should be much more wildly known than it is
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comedyblissoption posted:cointelpro is basically what we accuse the soviet union doing to its own citizens btw with an army of secret police lol (IDK the veracity of these claims against the soviet union since I'm an american) and now the situation is worse, and if you've posted those words without a foreign VPN and proxy then holy lol are you ever not appreciating it's gravity.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:https://twitter.com/kalhan/status/1035182031511216131 Well, it turns out Harvard was consistently rating asian american students personality scores lower than other applicants, and harvard did an internal investionation in 2013 that found it had anti-asian bias in its admissions policies but did nothing. Don't get how that makes the NYT support a model minority myth when talking about the lawsuit.
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the media is an arm of corporate power and has always been bad the specific ways in which it is bad change as the balance of influence and power shifts over time, but it was never really good as corporate power grew, the media simply became more open and obvious about its badness
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Pharohman777 posted:Well, it turns out Harvard was consistently rating asian american students personality scores lower than other applicants, and harvard did an internal investionation in 2013 that found it had anti-asian bias in its admissions policies but did nothing. hmmm some actual asian-american lawyers and a few hundred asian american studies experts got together to say, nah also the NYT has a very long history of boosting wechud anti-affirmative action voices and ignoring the majority of asian-americans who support it, so lol. but what else did we expect from the originator of the model minority myth in the 60s to go "why cant those blacks stop being so uppity???" Jerry Manderbilt has issued a correction as of 23:29 on Aug 30, 2018 |
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Willie Tomg posted:it could definitely be criticized on its merits for sure. and then those merits got sold off in tranches. part of this is because Hersh directly contradicts their hero Brown Moses
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StashAugustine posted:A course on humility where he assigned his own columns peak centrist
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PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:Looking wistfully across the horizon... I remember when news was a public good maintained in a shared interest and not a commodity like it is today... The news was so good then...
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Liberals are easily manipulated by "fact-checking" because they know that "facts matter" but are too dumb to realize that they can also easily be manipulated to sell a particular narrative.
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Ytlaya posted:Liberals are easily manipulated by "fact-checking" because they know that "facts matter" but are too dumb to realize that they can also easily be manipulated to sell a particular narrative. the atomic unit of propaganda isn't lies, it's emphasis
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Ytlaya posted:Liberals are easily manipulated by "fact-checking" because they know that "facts matter" but are too dumb to realize that they can also easily be manipulated to sell a particular narrative.
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comedyblissoption posted:also the media reporting on the watergate scandal in the 70s is ironically an example of the media being subordinate to power since they at the time basically didn't talk about cointelpro. it's okay to talk about palace politics and it might look like speaking truth to power or whatever but don't be mistaken i've seen more than a few things that suggest that watergate seems to be the rallying point for the news media and journalists to perpetually pat themselves on the back. there was that terrible self suck of a movie last year about how wapo is just so gosh darn good for whatever irredeemable ethics violation they committed to show up the nyt and the wapo shareholders. i'd have to dig into it a bit more, but it's my understanding that the news and journalism writ large wasn't a "respectable" thing until watergate. i know that there's evidence of a massive enrollment spike for journalism school in the 70s.
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I thought that there was no central tracking of police-involved deaths and it was voluntary to the departments? That fact is bullshit
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Phone posted:i've seen more than a few things that suggest that watergate seems to be the rallying point for the news media and journalists to perpetually pat themselves on the back. there was that terrible self suck of a movie last year about how wapo is just so gosh darn good for whatever irredeemable ethics violation they committed to show up the nyt and the wapo shareholders. lol yeah The Post was loving embarrassing and furthermore just... physically ugly. an unpleasant visual experience
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Phone posted:i've seen more than a few things that suggest that watergate seems to be the rallying point for the news media and journalists to perpetually pat themselves on the back. there was that terrible self suck of a movie last year about how wapo is just so gosh darn good for whatever irredeemable ethics violation they committed to show up the nyt and the wapo shareholders. it's my understanding that, at the time, WaPo was actually really embarrassed after Watergate, because being known as the paper that took down a President meant that you were in access journalism's doghouse, and so for a long time after that they were playing softball with DC.
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https://twitter.com/max_read/status/1035157706494099456 https://twitter.com/max_read/status/1035158811416379392 https://twitter.com/max_read/status/1035162482120249344 https://twitter.com/max_read/status/1035165395035086850
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Phone posted:i've seen more than a few things that suggest that watergate seems to be the rallying point for the news media and journalists to perpetually pat themselves on the back. there was that terrible self suck of a movie last year about how wapo is just so gosh darn good for whatever irredeemable ethics violation they committed to show up the nyt and the wapo shareholders. basically, Watergate demonstrated that the news held power - not just in a general "guiding the national consciousness with subtle propaganda" sense, but straight-up fighting a sitting president and coming away with a one-sided victory. this led to a major shift in their relationship with the power-holders. journalists went from being propaganda lackeys to being an arm of the establishment. reporters who had previously been treated as unimportant entertainers found their role undergoing major shifts, as politicians sought to cozy up to them and befriend them while billionaires sought to buy control over the media company owners. at the same time, the editors and newsroom leaders were spooked by the change and sought to rein in journalism's muckraking tendencies and encourage the new generation of wide-eyed idealist reporters to focus on friendly access journalism after Nixon, few politicians dared to be openly contemptuous to the press. instead, they actively sought to court the press's favor. meanwhile, billionaires and political operatives saw the press's power and sought to infiltrate it or co-opt it. for example, Roger Ailes quit political consulting in 1991 (after being a staffer in the Nixon, Reagan, and HW Bush campaigns) and was president of CNBC by 1993
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an actual dog posted:I miss gawker
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it's gonna rule when gawker is rebooted by womans' media mogul bryan goldberg
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