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Mr. Nice! posted:limbaugh wasn't nationally syndicated until 88. he didn't start doing his right wing schtick on the radio until 87 after the fairness doctrine was officially repealed. he was just your standard dj before then. and it wasn't illegal if he had done the same thing he did in 1988 in 1986 instead. Mr. Nice! posted:don't get me wrong, i don't think the fairness doctrine today would be worth a poo poo. its repeal, however, following the decades in legal cases to weaken it directly led to rise of right wing talk radio which was the precursor and proved the potential success of fox news. no, it didn't. the ongoing right wing nature of us broadcasting for over 60 years by the that point did that. qirex posted:love to conflate the number of radio stations over their audience reach because clearchannel was never interested in the christian rant station in a county of 11,000 people dear child, there were and are other similarly sized companies operating similar shares of the popular stations in all the major media markets at the same time. "clearchannel controls everything" was never ever true it was just the one people bothered to talk about. H.P. Hovercraft posted:if the fairness doctrine was so worthless why did reagan kill it and veto a congressional bill codifying it this is a super dumb argument because republicans constantly do things just to be spiteful, and reagan was basically the king of that before trump + bush i was his long time partner in politics by the point he was president
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fishmech posted:this is a super dumb argument because republicans constantly do things just to be spiteful, and reagan was basically the king of that before trump + bush i was his long time partner in politics by the point he was president sure but that's a super dumb answer because you could say that about anything at all that they did
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if they bought that sliver of land away using eminent domain they'd price it based on whatever appraisal he uses for his property taxes right???
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Mr. Nice! posted:there's been late night hate radio since at least the late 60s when reverend gale started, but i'm pretty sure there was some form of bigoted old man yelling about black people before then. father coughlin was blasting out high-power AM pro-nazi/anti-jew/etc rants starting in the mid-20s lol.only got knocked off the air once world war ii actually started and the only reason he was against the kkk was because they kept burning crosses at him since he was catholic H.P. Hovercraft posted:sure but that's a super dumb answer because you could say that about anything at all that they did guess what: that is why they do most of their stuff. that poo poo's why reagan refused to let things be done about AIDS
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Bulgakov posted:if they bought that sliver of land away using eminent domain they'd price it based on whatever appraisal he uses for his property taxes right??? they’d probably have it privately appraised instead because assessed value isn’t necessarily market value. dingus could then turn around and complain that it wasn’t appraised right in court.
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Aug 30, 2018 23:09
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lol i posted a scott galloway vid where he said exactly this was gonna happen years ago and yospos laughed it off
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Aug 30, 2018 23:10
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wait wait we haven't heard the shell corporation that undoubtedly owns that lands opinion on if it wants to sell yet, maybe we should ask it, it has rights after all right  silence means its cool with the sale
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President Beep posted:they’d probably have it privately appraised instead because assessed value isn’t necessarily market value. dingus could then turn around and complain that it wasn’t appraised right in court. this is correct it'd need to be re-appraised for eminent domain to make sure its assessed at market value even though it was just appraised like a year ago.
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Aug 30, 2018 23:13
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no amount of fishmeching can convince me the modern state of media with sinclair, tronc, viacom, disney, ticketmaster/livenation, iheartradio, fox/sky, nbc/comcast etc. is a good thing the telecom act of 1996 is one of the worst pieces of legislation in recent history and no amount of fishmeching can convince me otherwise, it relaxed monopoly rules allowing for the massive mergers we have, it ensconced local telco monopoly as law and gave the telcos 200 billion for "rural broadband" which they promptly returned to shareholders then continues to extort state and local governments
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Aug 30, 2018 23:15
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Peeny Cheez posted:If I just wanted you to repeat yourself I would asked for precisely that. You're forgetting some rules of fishmech: fishmech will only talk about the part of the argument they want to, therefore shall never address your points unless they think they can score off them in the absence of something specific that fishmech wants to argue, fishmech will merely restate earlier assertions, typically in a more succinct way
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qirex posted:no amount of fishmeching can convince me the modern state of media with sinclair, tronc, viacom, disney, ticketmaster/livenation, iheartradio, fox/sky, nbc/comcast etc. is a good thing truly we were better off when the state of media was nbc, also nbc, and cbs. and then like, hearst and some other rich guy truly we were better off when the state of media was nbc, abc, cbs, nbc, abc, cbs and then slightly different newspaper guys also the money for broadband was put into building cell networks which are far more useful than the 256 kilobit dsl poo poo it was intended for so lol there.
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fishmech posted:truly we were better off when the state of media was nbc, also nbc, and cbs. and then like, hearst and some other rich guy yes?
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Aug 30, 2018 23:32
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the media ownership rules were created in part because of the big 3 broadcasters situation plus earlier stuff like hearst
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Roosevelt posted:yes? no, we weren't. it was actually very bad qirex posted:the media ownership rules were created in part because of the big 3 broadcasters situation plus earlier stuff like hearst and then the big broadcasters and syndicates simply provided the same content to a bunch of stations that were owned by legally distinct companies who gave up all of their say in operations to what came over the wire.
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Aug 30, 2018 23:37
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did hatch forget that he's not on judiciary anymore
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the government shouldn't enact a fairness act, it should just outright ban fascist (ideally anything to the right of FDR) broadcasting
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Krankenstyle posted:in denmark our constitution requires an independent press tribunal that enforces journalistic ethics & handles cases of false reporting (for instance they can compel an offending newspaper to publish a retort by the aggrieved party) I unironically think something along these lines is a good idea. The biggest problem I'm seeing in the US media at the moment is the propagation of provably false information. For example, there should be a mechanism by which Alex Jones would have faced prison time for the stories he made up about Sandy Hook, not because it's morally reprehensible (although obviously it is) but because allowing that sort of behavior is causing a demonstrably negative affect on society, akin to shouting "Fire!" in a crowded movie theater.
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Stringent posted:I unironically think something along these lines is a good idea. The biggest problem I'm seeing in the US media at the moment is the propagation of provably false information. For example, there should be a mechanism by which Alex Jones would have faced prison time for the stories he made up about Sandy Hook, not because it's morally reprehensible (although obviously it is) but because allowing that sort of behavior is causing a demonstrably negative affect on society, akin to shouting "Fire!" in a crowded movie theater. ok hitlet
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Aug 31, 2018 03:00
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alex jones should have caught a bullet in the head from the illuminati years ago imo
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Aug 31, 2018 03:01
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I don’t trust any of our current political institutions to determine the truth and arrest anyone spreading lies. I’m sure they’d bust socialists for saying “capitalism isn’t the only way” before they busted Jones for sandy hook.
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Trabisnikof posted:I don’t trust any of our current political institutions to determine the truth and arrest anyone spreading lies. I’m sure they’d bust socialists for saying “capitalism isn’t the only way” before they busted Jones for sandy hook. it’s this
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Trabisnikof posted:I don’t trust any of our current political institutions to determine the truth and arrest anyone spreading lies. I’m sure they’d bust socialists for saying “capitalism isn’t the only way” before they busted Jones for sandy hook. The mechanism I had in mind was our current political institutions passing a law requiring media to not spread lies and the determination of truth and subsequent arrests, if any, to be handled by the courts. I don't think anyone would like to see truth panels established independent of the courts.
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Ok, I do think a lot of people would like to see truth panels independent of the courts, but nobody sane would.
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Stringent posted:Ok, I do think a lot of people would like to see truth panels independent of the courts, but nobody sane would. so what would you like to see?
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Stringent posted:The mechanism I had in mind was our current political institutions passing a law requiring media to not spread lies and the determination of truth and subsequent arrests, if any, to be handled by the courts. I don't think anyone would like to see truth panels established independent of the courts. for context, these are the same courts who sentence people to life in prison for stealing a coat while the hyperwealthy get plea deals that grant immunity to anyone else who did crimes with them.
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Aug 31, 2018 03:29
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There's nothing wrong with US media, the problem is all these social networking circle jerks where anyone who expresses something mildly annoying is instantly blocked forever, leading to endless feedback loops of utter nonsense where 98.4% of what you see is super engaging and comfortable and exactly the same.
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Pryor on Fire posted:There's nothing wrong with US media, lol
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I guess if you weren't around for 1980s TV news you might think the current media is really bad, but it has improved so much. You can actually read good things now instead of the 10th story in a row about dangerous black super predators, it's great in comparison.
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Pryor on Fire posted:I guess if you weren't around for 1980s TV news you might think the current media is really bad, but it has improved so much. You can actually read good things now instead of the 10th story in a row about dangerous black super predators, it's great in comparison. yeah but back then some random radio station in evansville played a slightly different playlist from the national top 40 so clearly it was all better
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Pryor on Fire posted:I guess if you weren't around for 1980s TV news you might think the current media is really bad, but it has improved so much. You can actually read good things now instead of the 10th story in a row about dangerous black super predators, it's great in comparison. Go back and watch a Dirty Harry movie if you want to see how much things have changed.
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Aug 31, 2018 03:47
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i'll refer you to the real life documentary "the dead pool" and also "network"
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https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1035334044698009600
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Stringent posted:I unironically think something along these lines is a good idea. The biggest problem I'm seeing in the US media at the moment is the propagation of provably false information. For example, there should be a mechanism by which Alex Jones would have faced prison time for the stories he made up about Sandy Hook, not because it's morally reprehensible (although obviously it is) but because allowing that sort of behavior is causing a demonstrably negative affect on society, akin to shouting "Fire!" in a crowded movie theater. on the bbc world report this morning they described alex jones as a "shock jock" which i think is an affront to the good name of shock jocks
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Aug 31, 2018 04:00
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i love the subtle differences in how poo poo is worded to conservative audiences. it's not "they have to turn to welfare to survive," it's "YOU'RE PAYING THEIR WELFARE, YOU, PERSONALLY"
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Aug 31, 2018 04:02
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when you're right, you're right vOv
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Aug 31, 2018 04:02
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here is a reason why capitalism is bad. in conclusion, capitalism is good.
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Aug 31, 2018 04:06
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Tokamak posted:here is a reason why capitalism is bad. in conclusion, capitalism is good. you see if we didn't have welfare their employees would just die and so amazon would be forced to increase their wages and compensation to not run out of staff 
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ate all the Oreos posted:on the bbc world report this morning they described alex jones as a "shock jock" which i think is an affront to the good name of shock jocks gosh, we wouldn't want to insult glenn beck
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Aug 31, 2018 04:24
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i thought howard stern was the platonic form of shock jock
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him and joe rogaine, yeah
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