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Gortarius posted:Would I be wrong in assuming that one of the potentially biggest impacts you can do in the year 2018, if you are from the USA, is voting for human beings in the upcoming midterm elections? Yes also canvassing for candidates. Spreading ideas has a huge force multiplier effect that makes it easier to be more effective than personal decisions. Now if you can make good personal decisions and encourage others to do the same you have a winning recipe. The D platform is on average much much better than the R one for climate change even if it still has many shortcomings.
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friendbot2000 posted:There is profit to be made. CO2 is in a TON of products like carbonated beverages, Bar equipment, too many to count really. Basically, they sell off the CO2 they capture to companies. Also, they are partnered with a greenhouse company and are shipping off the excess CO2 to use in their greenhouses to increase crop yields. I think I must be missing something... If it's going to be used in carbonated drinks & pumped into greenhouses, wont the CO2 just end up back in the atmosphere?
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Yeah, but the revenues would help spin up the operations. Fund R&D. That kind of thing.
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Democrats did have full control when Obama was In office for a few years. We got this lovely not universal Healthcare and that's it. 
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Trainee PornStar posted:I think I must be missing something... Every article about carbon capture inevitably touts using the removed carbon as a fuel to pump right back into the atmosphere.
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Aug 28, 2018 19:17
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Trainee PornStar posted:I think I must be missing something... The effect would be to make the production of CO2 products more carbon neutral than other extraction methods. Obviously it would be far preferable to actually sequester captured CO2, but that would require massive public investment.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:The effect would be to make the production of CO2 products more carbon neutral than other extraction methods. Obviously it would be far preferable to actually sequester captured CO2, but that would require massive public investment. Don't get me wrong I think it's a great start but it seems insane to use loads of energy to capture CO2 only to release it again.
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 http://graphs.water-data.com/lakepowell/  http://graphs.water-data.com/lakepowell/ A lot of people are focused on Lake Mead and the Hoover Dam, but things upstream at Lake Powell aren't looking good either. Some days water inflow was less than 25% of yearly average. Two more years like 2018 and power generation at Glen Canyon Dam will become intermittent.
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Drought reveals ancient ‘hunger stones’ in European river https://apnews.com/9512be71cc8f40a7b6e22bc991ef2c6c quote:DECIN, Czech Republic (AP) — Due to this summer’s drought in Central Europe, boulders known as “hunger stones” are reappearing in the Elbe River.
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Aug 29, 2018 20:24
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Turns out our ancestors were right on the money
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The most depressing thing about Climate Change is that America is a cesspit devoid of people with critical thinking skills so when things get bad bunch of people are gonna argue that it's actually god being mad at us for gay marriage. RIP future gay people.
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/1009698/UK-weather-forecast-latest-hot-Met-Office-forecast-long-range-forecast-heat-September-2018 I know it's a lovely source but if anyone's even talking about hot weather in the UK til christmas things have got to be a little strange...
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growing trees is easier than you think! here is my set-up, there's nothing to stop you from doing the same (also pictured, hot chip the quail)   and a child in the wild 
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Why we are not going to effectively combat the problem:
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I give it three seconds before right wingers turn that into "the (((UN))) wants to murder all capitalists".
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Frances Environment Minister quit out of the blue during a live radio interview, yesterday. Good poo poo:quote:“I do not understand how we can stand to witness the gestation of a well-known tragedy in complete indifference. The planet is becoming an oven, our natural resources are running out, biodiversity is melting like snow in the sun,” he said. “And we strive to revive an economic model that is the cause of all these disorders. I do not understand how, after the Paris conference, after an unstoppable diagnosis, this subject is always relegated to the status of last priorities.” Good article. Macron is an excellent example of an outstanding capitalist who campaigned on saying all the right things and then pursued profit above all else as soon as he was in power. I pity the fool who believes a politician before we've guillotined enough to ensure integrity in the remainder. 
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It makes me sad to think that as we as a species have grown more capable of mitigating our negative impact on the environment we have become less interested in doing so.
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Rime posted:Frances Environment Minister quit out of the blue during a live radio interview, yesterday. Good poo poo: Is there any idea who is going to be the replacement?
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Gortarius posted:Is there any idea who is going to be the replacement?
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Gortarius posted:Is there any idea who is going to be the replacement? There's a guy from the US with about a year of experience in a similar job.
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Shifty Nipples posted:It makes me sad to think that as we as a species have grown more capable of mitigating our negative impact on the environment we have become less interested in doing so. A lot is being done on the grassroots level to mitigate our negative impact on the environment, the key is growing the grassroots to national and then a global movement. Doing things like practicing water conservation, planting trees, getting involved with your local communities, canvassing for green candidates at the local level, and raising money and funds for eco-projects will help grow an environmentally conscious public. People don't think about these things because it isn't in their field of vision. It is up to environmentally conscious people to start converting people. Go to your local parks and volunteer with getting rid of water-waster invasive plants like Kudzu, start planting trees in your community, start a community garden, pressure your city council to halt overdevelopment or put regulations in place on wasteful land stewardship. There is a lot you and a group of like-minded people can do! And start walking/biking to errands instead of driving! Not only is it good for your health, it cuts your personal emissions and you can get more people involved in it too!
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friendbot2000 posted:A lot is being done on the grassroots level to mitigate our negative impact on the environment, the key is growing the grassroots to national and then a global movement. Doing things like practicing water conservation, planting trees, getting involved with your local communities, canvassing for green candidates at the local level, and raising money and funds for eco-projects will help grow an environmentally conscious public. People don't think about these things because it isn't in their field of vision. It is up to environmentally conscious people to start converting people. I have never in my life driven a car, I live in a duplex, I have a garden (and also chickens), we planted an apple tree in our backyard, and I don't think there is any Kudzu in Oregon. That's all nice things to tell people they can do though. e: The garden thing always makes me chuckle because the way I was raised it would be weird to not have a garden if you have the space for it. Shifty Nipples fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Aug 30, 2018 |
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Shifty Nipples posted:e: The garden thing always makes me chuckle because the way I was raised it would be weird to not have a garden if you have the space for it. This thread or maybe some other D&D thread has seemed really, really aggressively anti-garden, with the arguments generally being more about the practical time commitment required. I'm with you, though. My girlfriend and I decided to start gardening a few years ago and... it's not actually a lot of work? At this point we grow a sizable portion of the produce we eat and I'd be hard pressed to say that we average even a combined two hours per week on gardening work. And that's including the larger amounts of time spent planting and harvesting. For most of the season there's hardly anything to do at all.
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pykrete seeded glaciers mebbe? since we want that sweet sweet reflection off ice and snow to mitigate the heat.. and goon project kelp farms. I would donate to these. vorebane fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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British Columbia is burning at rates which were not forecast to hit until 2050, largely driven by a weakening jetstream as the arctic melts.quote:For the last two years, the hot and dry weather that has allowed so many large fires to develop in B.C. has been driven by a blocking ridge of high pressure that's been stuck over the province for much of the summer. The air beneath that ridge sinks, warms and dries, creating perfect conditions for a "raging inferno" if it sticks around for a week or more, according to Flannigan. That stagnant pattern has developed because the jet stream is weakening as the Arctic warms, a phenomenon that could spell more bad news for B.C., he said. The C02 Emissions from wildfires in BC alone are estimated at over 190 Million Tonnes annually. All human activity in the province only generates 60 Million Tonnes. Good thing the Arctic has a huge reserve of heat lurking below it now, which will accelerate the melt rate as we approach blue ocean. quote:Arctic Ocean measurements reveal a near doubling of ocean heat content relative to the freezing temperature in the Beaufort Gyre halocline over the past three decades (1987–2017). This warming is linked to anomalous solar heating of surface waters in the northern Chukchi Sea, a main entryway for halocline waters to join the interior Beaufort Gyre. Summer solar heat absorption by the surface waters has increased fivefold over the same time period, chiefly because of reduced sea ice coverage. It is shown that the solar heating, considered together with subduction rates of surface water in this region, is sufficient to account for the observed halocline warming. Heat absorption at the basin margins and its subsequent accumulation in the ocean interior, therefore, have consequences for Beaufort Gyre sea ice beyond the summer season. But yeah, plant a tree and pull some weeds or whatever best floats your boat towards the apocalypse. 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqa9HNR9KTc 10C temperature swings in a human lifetime sounds fun.
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Rime posted:But yeah, plant a tree and pull some weeds or whatever best floats your boat towards the apocalypse.
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Paradoxish posted:This thread or maybe some other D&D thread has seemed really, really aggressively anti-garden, with the arguments generally being more about the practical time commitment required. I'm with you, though. My girlfriend and I decided to start gardening a few years ago and... it's not actually a lot of work? At this point we grow a sizable portion of the produce we eat and I'd be hard pressed to say that we average even a combined two hours per week on gardening work. And that's including the larger amounts of time spent planting and harvesting. For most of the season there's hardly anything to do at all. It helps a lot if you enjoy digging in the dirt and planting stuff, oh and not being bothered by bugs helps as well. We end up with more produce than we can eat or give away so we give the excess to our chickens.
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Sometimes I get this feeling that you guys enjoy seeing articles that suggest things are worse than previously thought.
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Burt Buckle posted:Sometimes I get this feeling that you guys enjoy seeing articles that suggest things are worse than previously thought. It is vindication that we are not doomsayers or fear mongers, sure it is stupid to be like "told you so" but oh well I guess.
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Speaking of which, Thug seems to have hosed off for good this time.
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Shifty Nipples posted:It is vindication that we are not doomsayers or fear mongers, sure it is stupid to be like "told you so" but oh well I guess. tbh it's really just basic confirmation bias in terms of what literature people choose to consume and propagate. there's never really any substantial discussion on the articles just AAAAAAAH ITS BAD. Same poo poo with that permafrost paper that dropped the other day. Everyone wants to just hoot n holler instead of discuss the cool and exciting details of thermokarst formation.
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Rime posted:The C02 Emissions from wildfires in BC alone are estimated at over 190 Million Tonnes annually. All human activity in the province only generates 60 Million Tonnes. What's the RF of 130Mt of carbon annually until 2100? Hint: It's very small and isn't the main reason that these wildfires are a bad thing.
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I think there will be a great panic in the next twenty years. A la a wwz
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I recently rewatched this talk and I still love it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI While I can't speak to the conclusions I do think it demonstrates both our lack of knowledge, the consequences of that lack of knowledge and how we have to shift our thinking entirely away from our current paradigm into actually taking care of the actual loving place we exist instead of exploiting it for frivolous luxuries. We can start with making it socially unacceptable to be considered wealthy.
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^ Thanks for the link. Here's another one. https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php This is a forum I've been following. The posters are pretty on to it. I still am sorting the wheat from the raptureready echo chamber. But its got good data and links. Its pretty up the stream and i think a good proportion of the posters are either climate scientists or work in some related industry.
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Shifty Nipples posted:It is vindication that we are not doomsayers or fear mongers, sure it is stupid to be like "told you so" but oh well I guess. And it's also vindication for those researchers who have been saying the sky is falling for a long time now, because in fact the sky is actually falling. That should ideally encourage the complacent to take scientific consensus more seriously than they have in the past, but I'm pretty doubtful that it will actually do so.
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mdemone posted:And it's also vindication for those researchers who have been saying the sky is falling for a long time now, because in fact the sky is actually falling. That should ideally encourage the complacent to take scientific consensus more seriously than they have in the past, but I'm pretty doubtful that it will actually do so. Depends on if the complacency is driven by optimism or pessimistic.
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Burt Buckle posted:Sometimes I get this feeling that you guys enjoy seeing articles that suggest things are worse than previously thought. There's some small satisfaction in being right, and to the absurdity that's put us into this situation. Also, humans have always been drawn to apocalyptic poo poo.
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:What's the RF of 130Mt of carbon annually until 2100? Hint: It's very small and isn't the main reason that these wildfires are a bad thing. Why are the wildfires a bad thing? Genuinely asking because I know that in California a lot of redwood species can't drop their seeds without fires so wildfires equal good thing for forests.
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