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antifa isn't pro-democratic or anti-democratic or anything else. it also isn't a group. it doesn't get funding from russia or anywhere else. antifa is a method. the people you're referring to have come together under the idea that it's generally a good idea to gently caress up nazis, that's it. there are communists running with them and anarchists and otherwise fairly non-political people who just hate nazis. holy poo poo i thought y'all were pretending.
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botany posted:antifa isn't pro-democratic or anti-democratic or anything else. it also isn't a group. it doesn't get funding from russia or anywhere else. antifa is a method. the people you're referring to have come together under the idea that it's generally a good idea to gently caress up nazis, that's it. there are communists running with them and anarchists and otherwise fairly non-political people who just hate nazis. holy poo poo i thought y'all were pretending. Finally a good post, jesus christ
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Aug 31, 2018 06:43
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He left the period off the end of his sentence to prove he’s over being dunked on for being an antisocial idiot. I love little grammar signals!
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Aug 31, 2018 06:48
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:He left the period off the end of his sentence to prove he’s over being dunked on for being an antisocial idiot. I love little grammar signals! gently caress off with this poo poo
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Goa Tse-tung posted:gently caress off with this poo poo yeah op, this poo poo's retarded fam. my international friends agree with me
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Rebuild the wall, imo.quote:"Es war das schwierigste Sachsengespräch, das wir je hatten", wird Michael Kretschmer am Ende dieses Abends sagen und damit die Stimmung grob umreißen. Denn bei dieser Aussprache erlebt man vieles. Nur keinen tiefen Moment der Versöhnung. Normalerweise ist das Sachsengespräch ein betont unkompliziertes Format. Keine Zäune, keine Polizisten, alle Bürger können einfach so vorbeikommen, um sich mit der sächsischen Regierung auszusprechen. Nah dran sein an den Bürgerinnen und Bürgern, das hat Ministerpräsident Kretschmer zu Beginn seiner Amtszeit versprochen, das will er auch mit dieser Reihe. VVVV  VVVV
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Aug 31, 2018 08:25
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botany posted:antifa isn't pro-democratic or anti-democratic or anything else. it also isn't a group. it doesn't get funding from russia or anywhere else. antifa is a method. the people you're referring to have come together under the idea that it's generally a good idea to gently caress up nazis, that's it. there are communists running with them and anarchists and otherwise fairly non-political people who just hate nazis. holy poo poo i thought y'all were pretending. not a group. totally just fairly non-political people who just hate nazis
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Perestroika posted:Rebuild the wall, imo. It's always fun clicking on the Kommentare on these articles: quote:Muss man denn immer auf einer Seite stehen? Es muss doch jemanden geben, der die Argumente beider Seiten hört und abwägt, vermittelt, Fragen stellt, etc. Die Wahrheit liegt eben in der Mitte. Nazi: "Unser Schlachtruf ist 'Töten!'" Non-Nazi: "Nazis raus!" Me, a centrist: "Die Wahrheit liegt eben in der Mitte. Wie wäre es mit 'Ausländer raus?'"
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Aug 31, 2018 08:33
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 you come into our Faden with this weiche Scheisse? Bekomm raus von hier, my friend
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hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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elbkaida posted:If you are looking for street action against nazis there are antifa groups that are more focused on direct action and less on ideology. Go to some demos and try to find people from your town and make some contacts to see what they are like. There are also anti-fascist football ultras which might be a good bet depending on where you are. cebrail posted:Mostly I just don't understand what a non-radical political street-fighting group is supposed to be. Social Democrats and conservatives usually like the state quite a bit and they delegate the beating up people to the police.
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If you are perfectly happy with the system and want to work within it, then you can't punch a Nazi. Because that's illegal under the current system. However, I posit it's morally perfectly okay to want to punch a Nazi, but that means "bending" the rules (more like completely ignoring them). Again, I'm not judging you for that at all, but you gotta make a decision here. There's no Democratic nazi-punching Verein because Democracy says the Gewaltmonopol is with the state alone. Either you accept some anti-"Democratic" (as we currently understand it) tendencies with your Nazi-punching peers, or you can't punch a Nazi. Eezee posted:It's always fun clicking on the Kommentare on these articles:
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Eezee posted:It's always fun clicking on the Kommentare on these articles: "Nazis Töten!" liegt auch in der Mitte
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botany posted:antifa isn't pro-democratic or anti-democratic or anything else. it also isn't a group. it doesn't get funding from russia or anywhere else. antifa is a method. the people you're referring to have come together under the idea that it's generally a good idea to gently caress up nazis, that's it. there are communists running with them and anarchists and otherwise fairly non-political people who just hate nazis. holy poo poo i thought y'all were pretending. Even if you were right and Antifa as a method was as unpolitical as you say, "it's generally a good idea to gently caress up nazis" is not a method that is compatible with social democratic or conservative ideas of the Rechtsstaat. The method of personally loving up Nazis inherently contradicts the Gewaltmonopol of the state. And thus, you won't find a lot of social democrats or conservatives in Antifa-related groups. Most Antifa groups (yes, they are mostly organized groups) are explicitly communist or anarchist. Or "undogmatisch linksradikal" or whatever. Peggotty fucked around with this message at 10:46 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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Just because the cesspool that is American political culture has groups labeling themselves "Antifa" does not mean that you can draw conclusions about the Antifa in Germany from those.
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I can deal with Anarchists as long as they aren't Ancaps, in which case punching a Nazi applies.
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Healbot posted:I can deal with Anarchists as long as they aren't Ancaps, in which case punching a Nazi applies. 
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Healbot posted:I can deal with Anarchists as long as they aren't Ancaps, in which case punching a Nazi applies. Oh god, that reminds me of that reddit post by some american Ancap who went to Greece and visited some actual anarchists. He managed to last a while before the jig was up, resulting in him getting roundly thrown out while shouting "You're violating the NAP!" over and over again.  Fake edit: Found it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/3ucp8y/i_was_beat_up_by_left_anarchists_in_greece/
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Simply Simon posted:If you are perfectly happy with the system and want to work within it, then you can't punch a Nazi. Because that's illegal under the current system. My problem with communist nazi punchers isn't that they punch nazis illegally, it's that they're communists. Communist views on people like me range from grumbling about bourgeois nationalisms to putting people in camps. Some of my ancestors got reinterred from their graveyard into some loving Mülldeponie somewhere to foster a class identity based on objective facts, as some goon put it. I'd rather not support people who identify with those guys in any way, even if they won't come into power here. I'd be down for some sort of "multinational socialism" any day, but the moment someone says opposing nationalism is a top priority I nope the gently caress out.
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Osama Dozen-Dongs posted:My problem with communist nazi punchers isn't that they punch nazis illegally, it's that they're communists. Communist views on people like me range from grumbling about bourgeois nationalisms to putting people in camps. Some of my ancestors got reinterred from their graveyard into some loving Mülldeponie somewhere to foster a class identity based on objective facts, as some goon put it. I'd rather not support people who identify with those guys in any way, even if they won't come into power here. there are anarchist groups who really don't like authoritarian communists like you describe them, just hang out with those edit : Also you can very much be anti nationalistic without wanting to kill minorities who have a a diferent conenction to nationalism because in that specific case their nationalism is anti imperialist, but there are others here who can explain that better than me
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Nazis are nationalist, and that's a bad thing - I'm seriously wondering about your definition of quite a few words here. I also completely fail to see what (current day) communism has to do with hatred of minorities.
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Simply Simon posted:Nazis are nationalist, and that's a bad thing - I'm seriously wondering about your definition of quite a few words here. I also completely fail to see what (current day) communism has to do with hatred of minorities. I think they are conflating the policies of the nominally communist country of their ancestors re: minorities with communism itself (see: ethnic/religious minorities in the PRC and the former Soviet Union).
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Osama Dozen-Dongs posted:My problem with communist nazi punchers isn't that they punch nazis illegally, it's that they're communists. Communist views on people like me range from grumbling about bourgeois nationalisms to putting people in camps. Some of my ancestors got reinterred from their graveyard into some loving Mülldeponie somewhere to foster a class identity based on objective facts, as some goon put it. I'd rather not support people who identify with those guys in any way, even if they won't come into power here. You talking about "Communists" unironically means you are probably American and equating the term with 30s era Stalinism. Antifa is "linksextremistisch", of which tankies are only a small subsection. There a lots of democratic and anti-authoritarian streaks in there too. Hell, social democracy (real SD, not SPD) is probably included by centrists under that category too again)
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Drone posted:I think they are conflating the policies of the nominally communist country of their ancestors re: minorities with communism itself (see: ethnic/religious minorities in the PRC and the former Soviet Union). "Real communism has never been tried actually", says drone as he pushes another child into the mass grave, "don't worry, she was definitely a kulak."
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Randler posted:"Real communism has never been tried actually", says drone as he pushes another child into the mass grave, "don't worry, she was definitely a kulak." Make up your mind, am I a Trumpist one day or a Communist the next?
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"Love to talk about Kremlin sponsored Communist Antifas that dig mass graves for children while Nazi Mobs run rampant through the streets of Chemnitz." - A cool level headed Centrist
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Randler posted:"Real communism has never been tried actually", says drone as he pushes another child into the mass grave, "don't worry, she was definitely a kulak." the USSR wasn't communist it was a command economy 
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Pand posted:"Love to talk about Kremlin sponsored Communist Antifas that dig mass graves for children while Nazi Mobs run rampant through the streets of Chemnitz." - A cool level headed Centrist Yeah this
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Drone posted:Make up your mind, am I a Trumpist one day or a Communist the next? Oh, I don't believe you hold any coherent political position. Like most Americans your positions are probably mere reflexes motivated entirely by bloodlust and greed.
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Our local Penny employs a girl with a Reconquista Germanica tattoo :-(
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haldolium posted:Our local Penny employs a girl with a Reconquista Germanica tattoo :-( Report her to Penny, idk? I don't even have an idea what that group is, but I'm assuming Neonazis? 
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haldolium posted:Our local Penny employs a girl with a Reconquista Germanica tattoo :-( Hey Randler, use your powers for good instead of constructing new Feindbilder and tell us how that is illegal or not and if so, is that Landes or Bundesgesetz to get her out of her job ?
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Tattos sind cool aber der poo poo nich :/
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Report her to Penny, idk? I don't even have an idea what that group is, but I'm assuming Neonazis? My gf confronted her, but she was just evasive saying it's just a rune. They're a right wing organization mostly doing online poo poo https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista_Germanica idk. We thought of putting up some flyers. Doubt Penny cares and since it's not illegal to wear probably not obligated to act.
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Randler posted:Oh, I don't believe you hold any coherent political position. Like most Americans your positions are probably mere reflexes motivated entirely by bloodlust and greed. I just happened to wander in here because the Trump thread ran out of new posts, but I want you to know that I'm an American and appreciate this sentiment. It is one of the most succinct descriptions for the character of our electorate that I've ever witnessed.
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Randler posted:Oh, I don't believe you hold any coherent political position. Like most Americans your positions are probably mere reflexes motivated entirely by bloodlust and greed. This is rich coming from a German lmao
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One of Penny's employees is displaying stuff at work that makes you uncomfortable going to Penny. It's hurting their business. In a miniscule way if it's exclusively you, but it's potentially not. I'd contact Penny as a first resort.
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haldolium posted:Our local Penny employs a girl with a Reconquista Germanica tattoo :-( Are you sure she that she is just a big fan of Bluetooth?
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