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Emalde posted:That you have to ask means you still don't push your buttons enough! Then kill faster so I can cast EV more and still not need Energy Siphon. 
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FileNotFound posted:Unacceptable! You can't unrank mods! I mean, I don't like it either, but you have to do dumb stuff for umbral builds sadly.
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Aug 31, 2018 21:36
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Glad to see CorPro chat is still going strong years later. For what it's worth, I run a few different auras on a few different frames and rarely notice any major loss in effectiveness against Sortie 3 stuff, but only if I'm playing a really selfish damage frame like Excal or Atlas, and my builds for most of those are stupidly over-engineered. If you're playing any sort of support or nuke frame, you're just gimping yourself and others if you don't take corpro. The only exceptions to that rule are a sufficiently swole Oberon that can spam reckoning and Saryn, maaaaaybe an avalanche Frost if your team is aware of what you're doing and are quick enough to take advantage of it. And even then, corpro is probably the better call mathematically at pretty much all times. Still though, Steel Charge on Excal or Atlas is 
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Aug 31, 2018 21:45
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Tallgeese posted:I mean, I don't like it either, but you have to do dumb stuff for umbral builds sadly. I've kept my Umbral mods at 1 short of max. In part because I'm endo poor, but it also makes fitting them so much easier. Yeah the last point on Umbral mods is not insignificant - but drat.....
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TipsyMcStagger posted:is there any way to see how many times you've ran a mission? I'd really like to know how many Tyl Regors I ran for Equinox. I spent a solid 8 hours doing it until I got my last piece of Night Neuroptics. Im stingy with frame taders, so my tier list is the following: 1. Prime 2. Frame that doesn't have a prime and is good 3. Really good frames that their Prime is vaulted and not coming out soon So looking at your list I personally would probably do Equinox, Nova,Volt, or Loki. Equinox for NOS/EOS, Volt for Dolans/NOS/EOS, Nova for making just about anything braindead easy/wisp farming, and Loki for spy missions. Hydroid Prime is currently farmable, I'm rather meh on frost, Excal is spoilers, Ember is eh.Again personal pref.
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absolutely don't put a potato into base excalibur, there's a reason not to later on
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Helter Skelter posted:Total Eclipse tops out at 14 meters of range (hope you're sticking together), and you're making sacrifices to power strength to get there. You can do it, but whether it's gonna be worth it to you is another question. Total Eclipse loving owns for Plague Star because the Hemocyte coincidentally spawns right beside a giant spotlight you can stand under.
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Aug 31, 2018 22:43
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Jack Trades posted:What's even the point of Energy Siphon when you have Zenurik? For those of us who don't have enough of it unlocked? 
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Aug 31, 2018 22:57
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IMO the only reason to use Steel Charge is because a frame comes with a polarity for it and one isn't doing higher end stuff anyway. When first coming up against enemies with armor that doesn't allow you to oneshot them by default, corpro is still a bigger buff to damage than steel charge, this is true even for Atlas punches and such. I definitely recall making my way through the star chart as a new and low mr player, encountering armor that my Hek (which probably wasn't modded that optimally at the time) couldn't one shot around Uranus. Corpro immediately solved that problem even in solo missions. The other auras ought to be more useful but DE balance is a thing.
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Admittedly, Steel Charge gives you more points to gently caress around with, so it can be a forma saver for some people.
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Hi here's my newbie trip report: I did a star chart mission thing with a goon group today, it started out okay but after a few rounds I felt like I couldn't really keep up with killing poo poo, I'd brought my one good gun with a potato in it and even so I started worrying about running out of ammo because everything took so, so many bullets to kill, and I figured that's just how it goes with tougher enemies showing up in endless missions eventually and we might have to extract soon. Maybe I should stick to earlier planets. Then the goon whose game had crashed reconnected and my guess is that meant we had 4 corpro again and everything just melted and it was good. This wasn't some level 100+ thing, nothing you couldn't optimize past, but my gun is only so big at this point and every little bit of useful aura helps. 
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Aug 31, 2018 23:45
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So you can’t Forma the polarity of the aura slots?
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Pendent posted:So you can’t Forma the polarity of the aura slots? Sure you can - but not all auras have the same drain (or gain?)
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Pendent posted:So you can’t Forma the polarity of the aura slots? You can. Steel Charge is 9 points, so 18 with a v polarity, versus Corpro's 7 and 14 though.
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Vanadium posted:Hi here's my newbie trip report: I did a star chart mission thing with a goon group today, it started out okay but after a few rounds I felt like I couldn't really keep up with killing poo poo, I'd brought my one good gun with a potato in it and even so I started worrying about running out of ammo because everything took so, so many bullets to kill, and I figured that's just how it goes with tougher enemies showing up in endless missions eventually and we might have to extract soon. Maybe I should stick to earlier planets. That's good, and that's the idea behind everyone running corpro -by default-. No one has to run corpro every mission, people can do what they want. That said, running corpro by default makes everything goes smoother for those who don't have top builds. That said, I'd like to see some more aura variety, and I think DE removing Corpro would do that (while... maybe doing some enemy tweaking... assuming that is that DE built some later enemies around the idea that people would equip corpro). Corpro is on the "stuff to remove" list along with pure damage mods (and maybe multishot... I mean I want more bullets but it's silly that it's a required mod in every build).
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multishot was actually originally intended to use more ammo when equipped whenever it would fire more shots but due to a bug it didn't and they just kept it that way having strict +damage mods and things of that sort in games without any sort of downsides whatsoever leads to a lot of less-interesting build variety and honestly i feel games should avoid it like the plague if they can help it because it severely begins to pigeonhole things later on and becomes a lot more difficult to change later, if they want to at all i don't know if it would be possible for de to radically change how basic mods work at this point and tbh it'd probably be so far back on their plate at the moment that i'd be curious as to when or if it would actually happen
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I like Multishot as it exists because I like firing endless fountains of bullets at people. Like, I know it's bad from a game design standpoint but endless fountains of bullets!
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Sep 1, 2018 00:09
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Johnny Joestar posted:multishot was actually originally intended to use more ammo when equipped whenever it would fire more shots but due to a bug it didn't and they just kept it that way Simply baking in maxed Serration, Hornet Strike, and PPB would be enough.
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Sep 1, 2018 00:13
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Tallgeese posted:Simply baking in maxed Serration, Hornet Strike, and PPB would be enough. probably, although i'm sure they would tie the natural damage increase to the rank of the weapon which i guess would work just as well. it'd require some more involved stuff in the background to go along with it, too, since giving such a consistent and leveled out base damage buff would absolutely need some rebalancing all over which would heavily run into issues with the armor scaling, without a doubt, which is still the big elephant in the room as far as this stuff is concerned. if de ever wants to touch all of this in the future they've got a lot they need to tweak, but to an extent i'm at least somewhat confident in something like that since so far they've been pretty adamant about just outright buffing a shitload of gear and i see no reason to think differently when it comes to melee 3.0
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Tallgeese posted:Simply baking in maxed Serration, Hornet Strike, and PPB would be enough. i wouldn't mind losing primed point blank for the regular version if it was baked in.
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Johnny Joestar posted:probably, although i'm sure they would tie the natural damage increase to the rank of the weapon which i guess would work just as well. it'd require some more involved stuff in the background to go along with it, too, since giving such a consistent and leveled out base damage buff would absolutely need some rebalancing all over Really the biggest issue is that Augur Pact exists.
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i could easily see them adding a downside to balance out the damage buff, like a fire rate decrease. maybe making it physical-only could be an option, too? the set mods are cool but it's a little silly that some exist that are just exactly the same as an old mod but with a set effect attached. gladiator vice i'm looking at you.
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Johnny Joestar posted:i could easily see them adding a downside to balance out the damage buff, like a fire rate decrease. maybe making it physical-only could be an option, too? Weren't the set mods explicitly a way to get some of the stupidly expensive/rare meta mods to latecomers without asking them to drop assloads of plat on a finite supply?
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Yay, just made it to MR 20. Went to my friendly local Simaris to practice the test, zoned in, and immediately crashed. But not before hearing some shite about using my 'arKwing' to do stuff. It's an ArcHwing. Or is this some Canadian weirdness?
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it's pronounced ark because the game has voice acting and that's how they pronounce it. there's no deeper meaning.
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BeAuMaN posted:That said, I'd like to see some more aura variety, and I think DE removing Corpro would do that (while... maybe doing some enemy tweaking... assuming that is that DE built some later enemies around the idea that people would equip corpro). Corpro is on the "stuff to remove" list along with pure damage mods (and maybe multishot... I mean I want more bullets but it's silly that it's a required mod in every build). If they fixed the scaling curve, and made the other mods more useful (like the health and energy auras giving it on kill rather than on a regen tick), none of this would be an issue.
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I always bothered me that they say cephalon with a Sea sound. I know that it gets the Sea sound in regular English when you are farting higher than your rear end talking about heads and / or brains, but it really should take a Kay sound.
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SIGSEGV posted:I always bothered me that they say cephalon with a Sea sound. I know that it gets the Sea sound in regular English when you are farting higher than your rear end talking about heads and / or brains, but it really should take a Kay sound. How do you say celebration, celestial, or certainty, or Cthulu...ah, now I see.
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Tallgeese posted:Really the biggest issue is that Augur Pact exists. Augur Pact exists so that we can make fun of Magnum Force.
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xiansi posted:How do you say celebration, celestial, or certainty, or Cthulu...ah, now I see. It's not that, it's the Greek origin, it's for the same reason that I think that, in Dominions, Arcoscephale should also be said with the second C being a Kay sound.
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if you make up a word you can pronounce it any way you want
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:if you make up a word you can pronounce it any way you want
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you mean like jif?
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exceptions are made when something sounds exceptionally loving stupid
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Tallgeese posted:Simply baking in maxed Serration, Hornet Strike, and PPB would be enough. so steve has weighed in on this during his weird sunday streams where he talks about...stuff and that's never going to happen. steve sees upgrading damage mods as a form of long term progression in a game that otherwise doesn't really have any, and as a balancing mechanic he finds it too useful to get rid of vOv welcome to mandatory mod hell forever
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Weremacht posted:so steve has weighed in on this during his weird sunday streams where he talks about...stuff and that's never going to happen. steve sees upgrading damage mods as a form of long term progression in a game that otherwise doesn't really have any, and as a balancing mechanic he finds it too useful to get rid of Steve! 
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SIGSEGV posted:It's not that, it's the Greek origin, it's for the same reason that I think that, in Dominions, Arcoscephale should also be said with the second C being a Kay sound. oh you mean like caesar
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Khora's Strangledome is just the absolute best- the range that it can snag enemies from is pretty huge, and extends surprisingly far vertically. My new favorite strategy is to position the dome a few meters above chokepoints (you can cast it while clinging to walls, which is super useful), and laugh and laugh as the enemies get snagged into my demented carnival ride. Actually, they should take Khora's 2 and 4, Valky's 1, and Ivara's zipline, and design a new arachnid themed frame. Enemies caught in the web could be juiced for health or energy, and setting up webs would be pretty fun. McKilligan fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Sep 1, 2018 |
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xiansi posted:Yay, just made it to MR 20. Apparently the word is derived from 'Archangel' so that's why they pronounced it as 'ark'.
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