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Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

Nessus posted:

the people were less rude

except for all the rape

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Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Dogecoin is the light and the way

🐶

Double Bill
Jan 29, 2006

feelix posted:

Their nature is irrelevant, things are worth what people believe they're worth. I want crypto to fail too because of the sort of people that believe in it currently, but if the average joe starts believing in it, it's game over man.

Obviously if crypto gets big enough, the big players will step in and it will basically just become regular money

The average joe already put and lost his money in this, it's never going back to $20k again.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

mike12345 posted:

Had to check if the pope really tweeted something that sounds like the Nike marketing department. Not sure why they doctored it, but the original message is "we communicate life". Or maybe he deleted it, whatever weird

The phony Pope can be identified by his Nike sneakers and incredibly foul mouth.

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib
Financial news sites are all trash anyways, doesn't really matter they are listing scamcoins as well.

Adar
Jul 27, 2001

Klyith posted:

market caps aren't real value, or representative in any way of actual money that's gone into or been extracted from butts


anyways the thing that sucks about being Cassandra is that it was her family and husband who refused to believe her and doomed themselves and an entire nation. if Cassandra had been prophesying that a bunch complete idiots and spergy pseudo-intellectuals would make a catastrophic financial blunder, she might have said :lol:



also Cassandra might have something prophetic to say about the vicissitudes of fortune for people who made a ton of money off ICO "investors". taking out a bank loan for a million dollars doesn't make you a millionaire.

the thing about bank loans is they're usually collateralized by, say, equity, or a house, or something other than shitcoins you just minted so I'm afraid that yes they're all millionaires.

sure, marketcap is shorthand at best, but since any given individual with less than eight figs of a shitcoin on a major exchange can cash out without dipping the price too far...

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here
Please invest in Smother (tm). Each dollar you spend is worth a quarter and you can use it to buy dow jones bucks.

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib

Adar posted:

sure, marketcap is shorthand at best, but since any given individual with less than eight figs of a shitcoin on a major exchange can cash out without dipping the price too far...

lol. And don't forget, the only people losing money are institutional investors from far away places.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

Adar posted:

the thing about bank loans is they're usually collateralized by, say, equity, or a house, or something

it's an analogy you dingus.

if a judge looks at your ICO and says "you make promises about what you'd do with the money that are substantially the same as an investment offering" then good luck insisting that what people were paying for was just digital tokens. magic law spells don't work for sovereign citizens and they won't work for altcoiners who sold ICOs with claims of actual business purpose.

if Eripsa's friends got $10 million dollars and then just pocketed it while posting on the internet about how great their attention-economy coin is, they should eventually expect to be sued by everyone who handed them money. and possibly the SEC.

Adar
Jul 27, 2001

Klyith posted:

it's an analogy you dingus.

if a judge looks at your ICO and says "you make promises about what you'd do with the money that are substantially the same as an investment offering" then good luck insisting that what people were paying for was just digital tokens. magic law spells don't work for sovereign citizens and they won't work for altcoiners who sold ICOs with claims of actual business purpose.

if Eripsa's friends got $10 million dollars and then just pocketed it while posting on the internet about how great their attention-economy coin is, they should eventually expect to be sued by everyone who handed them money. and possibly the SEC.

I'd happily place a bet on less than 10% ever getting sued, but that would require one of the several prediction market ICOs to work well enough to do that, so I guess we'll have to see in a few years

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Adar posted:

I'd happily place a bet on less than 10% ever getting sued, but that would require one of the several prediction market ICOs to work well enough to do that, so I guess we'll have to see in a few years

depends how the Unikoin suit goes, I'd think. the suit doesn't mention the Munchee admin order, but it certainly reads like it used it as its template.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

Adar posted:

I'd happily place a bet on less than 10% ever getting sued, but that would require one of the several prediction market ICOs to work well enough to do that, so I guess we'll have to see in a few years

Well sure. Probably less than 10% even, there were an awful lot of "bitcoin for x" ICOs and most of them made bupkus for money.

It's the smaller number that got substantial sums of "investment" that have to worry, but those are the people we're supposed to be envious of right? Stupid goonies, while you were writing posts mocking the attention economy, Eripsa was mastering the blockchain.


And even from that group, there are some that don't have to worry: the ones that spend the next few years actually doing work to make bananacoin or whatever into something that could theoretically return value to the investors. Work that involves more than just flying to the next crypt-conference to promote bananacoin, which is most of what these assholes seem to do. More lambos = more lawsuits. Don't get me wrong, this would be a lucrative way to waste a couple years -- but it's still work.

Adar
Jul 27, 2001

Klyith posted:

Well sure. Probably less than 10% even, there were an awful lot of "bitcoin for x" ICOs and most of them made bupkus for money.

It's the smaller number that got substantial sums of "investment" that have to worry, but those are the people we're supposed to be envious of right? Stupid goonies, while you were writing posts mocking the attention economy, Eripsa was mastering the blockchain.


And even from that group, there are some that don't have to worry: the ones that spend the next few years actually doing work to make bananacoin or whatever into something that could theoretically return value to the investors. Work that involves more than just flying to the next crypt-conference to promote bananacoin, which is most of what these assholes seem to do. More lambos = more lawsuits. Don't get me wrong, this would be a lucrative way to waste a couple years -- but it's still work.

dude, if what you got from my post was secondhand envy instead of whatever that massive facepalm smiley is, you probably need some sarcasmcoin

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib

Adar posted:

dude, if what you got from my post was secondhand envy instead of whatever that massive facepalm smiley is, you probably need some sarcasmcoin

You are our resident coinhead.

Adar
Jul 27, 2001

Lambert posted:

You are our resident coinhead.

nah

feelix
Nov 27, 2016
THE ONLY EXERCISE I AM UNFAMILIAR WITH IS EXERCISING MY ABILITY TO MAKE A POST PEOPLE WANT TO READ

Double Bill posted:

The average joe already put and lost his money in this, it's never going back to $20k again.

No matter what reasonable sampling and weighing you use for your average, the "average" person has not been touched by crypto at all, stop seeing everything through the lens of Internet forums

let it mellow
Jun 1, 2000

Dinosaur Gum
is every bitcoin believer just ignoring tether or too stupid to understand what tether is doing?


the answer is yes

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib

feelix posted:

No matter what reasonable sampling and weighing you use for your average, the "average" person has not been touched by crypto at all, stop seeing everything through the lens of Internet forums

I certainly heard plenty of people talking about "investing" in Bitcoin during the ramp up in 2017. And the press was fanning the flames extensively.

Lambert fucked around with this message at 09:02 on Sep 2, 2018

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005
i took "the average joe" to mean "the average joe who would ever have touched cryptocurrency". because context and sometimes i a word out too

...!
Oct 5, 2003

I SHOULD KEEP MY DUMB MOUTH SHUT INSTEAD OF SPEWING HORSESHIT ABOUT THE ORBITAL MECHANICS OF THE JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT A LAGRANGE POINT IS?

let it mellow posted:

is every bitcoin believer just ignoring tether or too stupid to understand what tether is doing?


the answer is yes

Willful ignorance. A completely unqualified lawfirm (that also had a conflict of interest) did a pseudo-audit and gave Tether and Bitfinex a thumbs up, so clearly everything is just fine! Anyone who questions that is spreading FUD and should be ignored!

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

the average joe doesn't invest in anything at all so yeah, I just assumed that the OP was setting aside that huge percentage of people and was thinking of the average of whatever was left

Ad by Khad
Jul 25, 2007

Human Garbage
Watch me try to laugh this title off like the dickbag I am.

I also hang out with racists.
Words of wisdom from the amber forum:

quote:

Bitcoin uses 935 kWh per transaction. The average home in the US uses 897 kWh per month. It has almost doubled since May.

Nerds :clap: Will :clap: Unironically :clap: Destroy :clap: The :clap: Earth

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
That's loving ridiculous and this pyramid scam should be shut the gently caress down already jfc.

katka
Apr 18, 2008

:roboluv::h: :awesomelon: :h::roboluv:
Holy poo poo that's crazy. So I'm guessing the jokes about cryptocoins using as much power as a small country actually aren't that far off the mark.

Now I'm depressed as just how loving stupid people are.

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

katka posted:

Holy poo poo that's crazy. So I'm guessing the jokes about cryptocoins using as much power as a small country actually aren't that far off the mark.

Now I'm depressed as just how loving stupid people are.

they were never jokes

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

katka posted:

Holy poo poo that's crazy. So I'm guessing the jokes about cryptocoins using as much power as a small country actually aren't that far off the mark.

Now I'm depressed as just how loving stupid people are.

Lambert posted:

I certainly heard plenty of people talking about "investing" in Bitcoin during the ramp up in 2017. And the press was fanning the flames extensively.
Yes there were a lot of normal people who bought Bitcoin in late 2017. Bitcoin was making headlines on CNBC etc. Most of them aren't talking about it because they feel very foolish.

CheesyDog
Jul 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
https://twitter.com/thetomzone/status/1036302038295105536

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005
im pleased to announce diarycoin, a blockchain-powered token that will alter the way i retire

Spatial
Nov 15, 2007

Yeah unfortunately the joke with the power consumption is that it's completely true.

Cryptocurrencies are the least efficient systems every created in all of human history

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?
Sorta unrelated, but is North Korea connected to other countries electricity networks? How do we know North Korean electricity usage?

Bleusilences
Jun 23, 2004

Be careful for what you wish for.

The power consumption problem will doom bitcoin at some point; it just a matter of time now because even if they able to starve off the power consumption problem needed for the system, the difficulty increase exponentially and it will hit a point of no return. Power companies will just refuse to give them power that can be use for an hospital, a factory or an actual small city.

source: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/bitcoin-difficulty.html

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Bleusilences posted:

The power consumption problem will doom bitcoin at some point; it just a matter of time now because even if they able to starve off the power consumption problem needed for the system, the difficulty increase exponentially and it will hit a point of no return. Power companies will just refuse to give them power that can be use for an hospital, a factory or an actual small city.

source: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/bitcoin-difficulty.html

boy I better not hear you spreading that socialist propaganda around here again or I'll take away your moonshine for a month

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Bleusilences posted:

The power consumption problem will doom bitcoin at some point; it just a matter of time now because even if they able to starve off the power consumption problem needed for the system, the difficulty increase exponentially and it will hit a point of no return. Power companies will just refuse to give them power that can be use for an hospital, a factory or an actual small city.

source: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/bitcoin-difficulty.html

Uh pff yeah or people start building shithouse rear end coal plants to serve the buttcoin miner market like is already happening in India and China.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Humans are so loving stupid that we'll probably declare this the revitalization of the coal industry just around when the last of Florida slips under the sea like Atlantis.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Bitcoin might be the latest stage of capitalism possible.

A purely speculative commodity that you can't even physically hold in your hands that requires constant and on-going material value destruction whose existence contributes directly to destroying the environment it exists within for its own reproduction.

jimmyjams
Jan 10, 2001


King Kong of Megadongs
Gobblin' them mega schlongs
Makin' sure they mega long
Stroke' 'em if they mega strong
bitcoin is the great filter

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Moridin920 posted:

Humans are so loving stupid that we'll probably declare this the revitalization of the coal industry just around when the last of Florida slips under the sea like Atlantis.
I realize it interferes with the misery porn, but wasn't the Australian coal plant everyone jacked and despair-cummed over actually just like edition #9 of some Z-grade local scam artist trying to run a hustle?

Like I thought the reason this all got rolling in China and other places was that there were transient local surpluses of electricity and/or deficits of bribes in the pockets of people who control the electricity supply, and that particular slack has been largely taken out of the power market.

...!
Oct 5, 2003

I SHOULD KEEP MY DUMB MOUTH SHUT INSTEAD OF SPEWING HORSESHIT ABOUT THE ORBITAL MECHANICS OF THE JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT A LAGRANGE POINT IS?

katka posted:

Holy poo poo that's crazy. So I'm guessing the jokes about cryptocoins using as much power as a small country actually aren't that far off the mark.

Now I'm depressed as just how loving stupid people are.

Not only is it true (the bitcoin network actually uses more electricity than some entire countries) but bitcoiners are spinning that as a good thing. Some will tell you that a world-changing technology like bitcoins requires and deserves a high electricity usage. Others will tell you that the excessive power usage actually helps the environment because the ever-increasing electricity usage will force a shitton of new research and investment into green, renewable energy. :downs:

...!
Oct 5, 2003

I SHOULD KEEP MY DUMB MOUTH SHUT INSTEAD OF SPEWING HORSESHIT ABOUT THE ORBITAL MECHANICS OF THE JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT A LAGRANGE POINT IS?

Bleusilences posted:

Power companies will just refuse to give them power that can be use for an hospital, a factory or an actual small city.

This is already starting to happen.

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gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005
me continuously watching bitcoin burn coal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlR25IeL1wU&t=14s

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