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Cyrano4747 posted:Shoot me some links HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Sep 1, 2018 |
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Sep 1, 2018 20:24
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Chillbro Baggins posted:It's called gallows humor. Soldiers, firefighters, EMTs, and photojournalists deal with death in ways that seem callous to normal people. That is a thing yes. If you face death from World War 1-era Germans on a daily basis then this would totally apply. Do you? Because joking about the deaths of people that have never threatened you or exposed you to harm in any way isn't that. Edit: I do wonder how Americans itt would have reacted if it were some German guy popping up with his cool Kar98 and being all 'I'm sure this killed a lot of doughboys back in the day!  '
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Sep 1, 2018 21:04
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feedmegin posted:That is a thing yes. If you face death from World War 1-era Germans on a daily basis then this would totally apply. Do you? Because joking about the deaths of people that have never threatened you or exposed you to harm in any way isn't that. It's extremely good to stab the Kaiser.
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Sep 1, 2018 21:06
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Laughing my rear end off over the kindermord. Lmao
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Sep 1, 2018 21:08
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The century-dead troop defender has logged on
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Sep 1, 2018 21:11
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once more over the top men I'm sure we'll take the moral high ground this time
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Sep 1, 2018 21:18
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It doesn't really seem terribly likely that any particular bayonet has actually been used to stab anyone. Wonder if that's true of melee weapons, also? There has to be way more pikes made than people killed by pikes.
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Sep 1, 2018 21:19
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feedmegin posted:
I'm okay with it op
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Sep 1, 2018 21:32
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I just like guns
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Sep 1, 2018 21:59
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Fangz posted:It doesn't really seem terribly likely that any particular bayonet has actually been used to stab anyone. I read that every 10th pike was tipped with a blank so that soldiers could have the benefit of the doubt that they didn't actually kill anyone.
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Sep 1, 2018 22:07
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Ainsley McTree posted:I read that every 10th pike was tipped with a blank so that soldiers could have the benefit of the doubt that they didn't actually kill anyone. it'd be great if every other  post about dead troops was blank
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Sep 1, 2018 22:09
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Sep 1, 2018 22:26
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Ainsley McTree posted:I read that every 10th pike was tipped with a blank so that soldiers could have the benefit of the doubt that they didn't actually kill anyone. Post-war research showed that only a fraction of the men ever thrusted their pike at the enemy with the intent to kill.
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Sep 1, 2018 22:27
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It'll be interesting to see analyses of the Syrian Civil War/ISIL campaigns from a strategic perspective and how other ME countries react, certainly seems like it'll disrupt or at least better inform ideas of how "Arab armies" fight. Same goes for the war in Yemen i suppose. On a different note, I recently reread Caesar's commentaries on the Gallic War, and I highly recommend it to anyone. It's fascinating how the top level strategic problems the Romans faced as occupiers mirror contemporary counter insurgency efforts. Of course, Caesar's solution to a seemingly intractable foreign quagmire is... unpalatable, let's say, for modern leaders
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Sep 1, 2018 22:30
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Ensign Expendable posted:Post-war research showed that only a fraction of the men ever thrusted their pike at the enemy with the intent to kill.
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Sep 1, 2018 22:31
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Germanic states had some of the best and most advanced pikes of the period. They only lost due to overwhelming human wave attacks by Russians with cheap disposable clubs who didn’t care about lives lost.
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Sep 1, 2018 22:31
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Siivola posted:You joke, but that's literally a thing people believe. That fucker Lindybeige made a video about it and I have since then hated him.
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Sep 1, 2018 22:33
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chitoryu12 posted:Germanic states had some of the best and most advanced pikes of the period. They only lost due to overwhelming human wave attacks by Russians with cheap disposable clubs who didn’t care about lives lost. Krupp Wood was much tougher due to advanced German arboriculture techniques.
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Sep 1, 2018 22:38
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Kemper Boyd posted:That fucker Lindybeige made a video about it and I have since then hated him. What is the meaningful distinction there? Were they thrusting their pikes at people with the intent to...give them an all expenses paid vacation? Is the claim that they somehow were maintaining some idiotic cognitive dissonance about what happens to people in war, like an early modern clean wehrmacht?
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Sep 1, 2018 23:06
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FAUXTON posted:it'd be great if every other That joke was gross and definitely made me uncomfortable, though it wasn't so bad as to have made me say anything if others hadn't first.
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Sep 1, 2018 23:06
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SlothfulCobra posted:What is the meaningful distinction there? Were they thrusting their pikes at people with the intent to...give them an all expenses paid vacation? Is the claim that they somehow were maintaining some idiotic cognitive dissonance about what happens to people in war, like an early modern clean wehrmacht? his thesis was that people do not stab with them. Instead they held them at "port arms" and pushed, like in rugby. This is what British reenactors do for fun. He thought it was real.
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Sep 1, 2018 23:10
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Cyrano4747 posted:Lol no it isn’t. “They’re fun to shoot at paper and having a bunch of types for different uses is fun” is the shooter explanation “I find the different mechanics interesting” is the tech geek answer and “i find think he history behind them neat” is they history geek answer. I've never had a gun and even I get #3
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Sep 1, 2018 23:43
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HEY GUNS posted:his thesis was that people do not stab with them. Instead they held them at "port arms" and pushed, like in rugby. Yeah, and hoplites did the same thing too according to many people, including some historians. Maybe they used their sarissas for smores.
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Sep 1, 2018 23:56
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As someone in favour of gun control, collecting guns as historical items is far more reasonable than 'so I can overthrow governments I don't like' or 'so I can defend my family from
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Sep 2, 2018 00:13
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I just want to know some Thuringian peasant was killed by my collectibles.
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Sep 2, 2018 00:17
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:I just want to know some Thuringian peasant was killed by my collectibles. There is really only one way to be sure... 
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Sep 2, 2018 00:21
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ChubbyChecker posted:Yeah, and hoplites did the same thing too according to many people, including some historians. Maybe they used their sarissas for smores. these spears are very big. they get bigger as time passes. but why, WHY
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Sep 2, 2018 00:58
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Insecurity
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Sep 2, 2018 01:04
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Alchenar posted:It's worth noting that the Red Army (and Russian successor) made a conscious decision to reject Western-style Auftragstaktik. It works for them, but only because they've deliberately built an alternative. Care to elaborate? I'm reading the wiki page on it but there's no mention of either russia, soviets or red army so I kinda want to know how/why they differed
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Sep 2, 2018 02:28
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You know, I never quite realized that the US Navy had mastered the art of the dual simultaneous erection. https://i.imgur.com/iU9ezFb.mp4
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Sep 2, 2018 03:14
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Are some of you seriously soapboxing about dead soldier jokes? good lord take a break and go outside or something
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Sep 2, 2018 03:20
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I feel embarrassed that I collect milsurp rifles because after every single mass shooting I hear all the arguments about why guns need to be outright banned and I find myself agreeing with them all wholeheartedly. No half measures. So it makes me a total hypocrite.
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Sep 2, 2018 06:12
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I feel embarrassed that I collect milsurp rifles because after every single mass shooting I hear all the arguments about why guns need to be outright banned and I find myself agreeing with them all wholeheartedly. No half measures. I guess you could write it into your will that when you die all your guns get smelted down, or demilitarized and given to a museum or something?
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Sep 2, 2018 06:34
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Was it even a joke, or just a morbid and creepy statement? (Either way it wasn't funny at all.)
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Sep 2, 2018 07:12
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Pump it up! Do it! posted:Regarding military effectiveness of Arab armies I would recommend Arabs at war even if it was written by a Neocon https://www.amazon.com/Arabs-War-Military-Effectiveness-1948-1991/dp/0803287836 . It was quite a while since I read it but it avoids general orientalism and points out that most of the arab armies described were good at the following: I would second this, the book is interesting.
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Sep 2, 2018 07:22
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StandardVC10 posted:I guess you could write it into your will that when you die all your guns get smelted down, or demilitarized and given to a museum or something? Plug the barrels and give them to a museum, preferably for disassembled/exploded display It's still important to be mindful that they're pieces of history. They're lethal weapons but even stuff like the SMLEs can be used to show the incremental process of procurement/development.
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Sep 2, 2018 07:28
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Hey there, milhist goons, yet another forums game that may be relevant to your interests: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3867567 Come join us in building Your Dream Army* and then bashing it against something else. *army may not in fact be of dreamlike quality
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Sep 2, 2018 09:52
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Milo and POTUS posted:Care to elaborate? I'm reading the wiki page on it but there's no mention of either russia, soviets or red army so I kinda want to know how/why they differed https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Portals/7/Hot%20Spots/Documents/Russia/2017-07-The-Russian-Way-of-War-Grau-Bartles.pdf Read Bartles.
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Sep 2, 2018 11:00
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HEY GUNS posted:these spears are very big. they get bigger as time passes. but why, WHY Speaking of spears, how important is good quality wood for the shaft? Can you make a spear shaft out of knotty or other b-grade wood? Or would they just shatter in combat? Was is something that peasant rebels and the like sometimes did, or did professional soldiers/warriors also sometimes use it? Were spear shafts made out of coppiced wood, or could you make them logs too? Did medieval and later Europeans have sauroters in their pikes?
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Sep 2, 2018 11:30
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Alchenar posted:https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Portals/7/Hot%20Spots/Documents/Russia/2017-07-The-Russian-Way-of-War-Grau-Bartles.pdf Wow that's thorough.
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