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I remember reading a book about a D&D group who get sucked into the game world (their professor/DM was a wizard from that world, I think?) only to discover that while they had their characters' powers, they couldn't become any more powerful because they didn't know how to learn eg magic and the cleric couldn't pray for spells because she's an atheist.
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While "I got sent to a strange magical world!" is hardly new, as others said, the big thing is more that protagonists of isekai stories aren't actually capable of much. It's less "I got sent to a strange magical world" and more "I got sent to literally heaven, a world made almost specifically to cater to everything I could ever want or need!" There's usually no actual plot beyond whatever thin justification is needed to throw as many women at the protagonist as possible. It's gone past wish fulfillment and settled directly into "softcore porn novels for gross boys."
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Sep 2, 2018 20:31
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ProfessorCirno posted:While "I got sent to a strange magical world!" is hardly new, as others said, the big thing is more that protagonists of isekai stories aren't actually capable of much. It's less "I got sent to a strange magical world" and more "I got sent to literally heaven, a world made almost specifically to cater to everything I could ever want or need!" There's usually no actual plot beyond whatever thin justification is needed to throw as many women at the protagonist as possible. It's gone past wish fulfillment and settled directly into "softcore porn novels for gross boys." I'm waiting for the one where the twist comes and its revealed that all the girls secretly hate the neet fedora neckbeard and were simply using him in one of those sacrificial virgin things where they butter-up the virgin their entire life before the sacrifice. Turn it into a Higurashi When They Cry and give people a scare boner.
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Sep 2, 2018 20:39
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No it's for salarymen who are too scared of hanging themselves even though they hate working 14 hours a day and being paid in peanuts
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Sep 2, 2018 20:40
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Pope Guilty posted:I remember reading a book about a D&D group who get sucked into the game world (their professor/DM was a wizard from that world, I think?) only to discover that while they had their characters' powers, they couldn't become any more powerful because they didn't know how to learn eg magic and the cleric couldn't pray for spells because she's an atheist. Joel Rosenberg, Guardians of the Flame. Unfortunate that he resorted to a rape in the first book, but at least he doesn't keep going back, and otherwise, the books are awesome. Pity that Rosenberg died, though. He had just gotten two books deep into a fantastic new series called Paladins, fantasy real world centered around the people using holy swords that contained the souls of great sinners or saints. Covok posted:I'm waiting for the one where the twist comes and its revealed that all the girls secretly hate the neet fedora neckbeard and were simply using him in one of those sacrificial virgin things where they butter-up the virgin their entire life before the sacrifice. Turn it into a Higurashi When They Cry and give people a scare boner. Unfortunately, this has already happened AND been colonized in the form of "we start at the end of the story where the protagonist gets betrayed by his own people and then gets reincarnated AGAIN with a HUGE HATE BONER"
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Sep 2, 2018 21:22
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ProfessorCirno posted:While "I got sent to a strange magical world!" is hardly new, as others said, the big thing is more that protagonists of isekai stories aren't actually capable of much. It's less "I got sent to a strange magical world" and more "I got sent to literally heaven, a world made almost specifically to cater to everything I could ever want or need!" There's usually no actual plot beyond whatever thin justification is needed to throw as many women at the protagonist as possible. It's gone past wish fulfillment and settled directly into "softcore porn novels for gross boys." Well, that's still almost a throwback since Connecticut Yankee is almost identical in theme and style to something like the "smartphone" isekai subgenre (i.e. access to advanced knowledge rather than special powers)...up until everything turns to poo poo at the end. So, same idea with no self-awareness to speak of. Plus it's own unique mutations and gorging itself on its own tail. It says something when I honestly can't tell whether this is intentional parody of the genre, or someone's weird sex fantasy: 
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Sep 2, 2018 21:37
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*in a trembled voice full of fear* I don't believe that there exists people with a vending machine sexual fetish.
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Sep 2, 2018 21:46
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Plutonis posted:*in a trembled voice full of fear* I don't believe that there exists people with a vending machine sexual fetish. At least three, maybe more, goons would have this as their feitsh
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Sep 2, 2018 21:47
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Plutonis posted:*in a trembled voice full of fear* I don't believe that there exists people with a vending machine sexual fetish. Put your coins in my slot daddy.
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Sep 2, 2018 21:57
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NinjaDebugger posted:Joel Rosenberg, Guardians of the Flame. Unfortunate that he resorted to a rape in the first book, but at least he doesn't keep going back, and otherwise, the books are awesome. Pity that Rosenberg died, though. Joel Rosenberg was a super weird and angry right wing 2nd Amendment dude, though. He was probably known more for that than for fantasy. https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2010/12/08/police-man-brings-handgun-knife-into-mpls-city-hall/
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Covok posted:I'm waiting for the one where the twist comes and its revealed that all the girls secretly hate the neet fedora neckbeard and were simply using him in one of those sacrificial virgin things where they butter-up the virgin their entire life before the sacrifice. Turn it into a Higurashi When They Cry and give people a scare boner. So, The Wicker Man?
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Sep 3, 2018 00:57
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thefakenews posted:So, The Wicker Man? BEES! BEES! NOT THE BEES! https://youtu.be/YyigAW-14w0
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Sep 3, 2018 01:11
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Another classic, H. Beam Piper's Lord Kalvan of Otherwhen. A state trooper gets accidentally pulled into another timeline and saves the day by knowing the formula for gunpowder. Piper wrote great SF, usually with a military twist covering both conventional SF and partite stories about exploring other timelines. He was a strong influence on Traveller; the Sword Worlds were lifted directly out of Space Viking. Good stuff ! It's dated of course, and oddly racist in spots (and amazingly racist in Murder in the Gunroom) but his views progressed from Gunroom and its protagonist Jefferson Davis Rand to the mature relationship with an alien species at the end of the Fuzzy novels. Try some, http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/8301?sort_order=title
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Sep 3, 2018 01:32
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got to play kingdom death after hearing about it a couple years ago and it's pretty drat good. I didn't realize it's much more of a city management game than anything else. I subbed in for someone but I don't know that I'd have the stamina to do that poo poo for thirty loving lantern years on the same three critters. What's there is absolutely cool as hell though. Maybe it's easier to find now but that was the first $400 board game I've ever played and I kind of get it now. Is there a thread?
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Sep 3, 2018 01:58
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Gay Horney posted:got to play kingdom death after hearing about it a couple years ago and it's pretty drat good. I didn't realize it's much more of a city management game than anything else. I subbed in for someone but I don't know that I'd have the stamina to do that poo poo for thirty loving lantern years on the same three critters. What's there is absolutely cool as hell though. Maybe it's easier to find now but that was the first $400 board game I've ever played and I kind of get it now. Is there a thread? Is that the lion dick + rape demon model game?
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Sep 3, 2018 02:03
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get gloomhaven instead of kingdom death monsters
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kingcom posted:Is that the lion dick + rape demon model game? Excuse me, lion ding-dong. We must maintain decorum.
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Sep 3, 2018 02:06
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I do admit to toying with the idea of writing an isekai quasi-parody at some point. Main character is a stock ordinary shlub protagonist. Gets hit by a truck which sends him to another world where he has unique powers, meets a variety of attractive girls with incredibly poor taste in romantic partners. Goes on an epic quest, defeats the demon lord. Then when he comes back to the capital in a grand celebration, all of a sudden the gates are torn off their hinges and the same truck barrels through and plows him down. He wakes up in another world. This one probably in the mecha genre. Confused, maybe not even clearly remembering what happened. But he's quickly thrust into some new plot, discovers new unique abilities ("Nani!? This isn't possible, No-one's been able to solo-synch an Eidolon-class armor before!). More women with incredibly low standards (must also include at minimum a robot learning to love). New major enemy to defeat. Then he gets trucked again. Same delivery truck smashes his mech to pieces and leaves him dead in the ruins. Next it's a space opera. He gets a lightsaber this time and a sweet star fighter to pilot. An evil empire to defeat. But also a little bit worried. This is justified when shortly after the defeat of the empire's super-weapon and the victory of the United Alliance Federation, he's flying through an asteriod field and from the far side of a space-boulder, there's the truck. Hurtling towards him at 10% light speed, the detonation kills him instantly. Now he's onto it. But he can't stop it. Every time the truck shows up. Every time it kills him. It happens sooner and sooner with each rebirth. Soon it'll be weeks before the next trucking. Then days. Killed over and over again until he finds some way to break the spiral. So, Re: Zero meets Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi basically.
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Sep 3, 2018 02:38
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Kill Six Billion Demons does the isekai story better than most, in part because Allison is played off as being wildly in over her head but she's also crafty enough that she can, with a bit of luck, pull a fast one over her enemies long enough to avoid getting her head caved in (e.g. Princess Jack Moonshine).
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Slimnoid posted:Kill Six Billion Demons does the isekai story better than most, in part because Allison is played off as being wildly in over her head but she's also crafty enough that she can, with a bit of luck, pull a fast one over her enemies long enough to avoid getting her head caved in (e.g. Princess Jack Moonshine). Helps that the powers she has ridiculously strong even by Isekei standards
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Sep 3, 2018 03:42
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oriongates posted:I do admit to toying with the idea of writing an isekai quasi-parody at some point. Look. They already made a series about the guy who drives those trucks. It's been done.
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ProfessorCirno posted:While "I got sent to a strange magical world!" is hardly new, as others said, the big thing is more that protagonists of isekai stories aren't actually capable of much. It's less "I got sent to a strange magical world" and more "I got sent to literally heaven, a world made almost specifically to cater to everything I could ever want or need!" There's usually no actual plot beyond whatever thin justification is needed to throw as many women at the protagonist as possible. It's gone past wish fulfillment and settled directly into "softcore porn novels for gross boys." Harem animes are also nothing new, and those never have protagonists that are notable in any way.
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Lurdiak posted:Harem animes are also nothing new, and those never have protagonists that are notable in any way. It's a lot like Bella Swan in that giving the main character any personality or agency would get in the way of the reader projecting onto them.
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Sep 3, 2018 04:17
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NGDBSS posted:I don't remember anything about a landmine but I do recall that the tie-in material was insufferable about unwriting the video games. Technically it exists but anyone who cares regards them as the work of an unrestrained author's meddling. Thankfully the piece in question, Final Fantasy X -Will-, is a Japan-only audio drama. It's on the PS4 remastered bundle! Sorry!
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potatocubed posted:The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant. I haven't read it since I was about fourteen but I remember it being heavy going.
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Halloween Jack posted:I remember when I was in high school, I heard about this series all the time, though I never read it. It was right up there with Dune and The Wheel of Time. Now I never hear anyone mention it. Reading it is like eyeball-torture. It's a shame, because the setting does seem legit cool.
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My personal Isekai subversion idea is it's a standard Isekai setup, except the protagonist (and everything from Earth) is ridiculously magic resistant and he also has a mild stomach flu when he gets trucked. Since all medical treatment in Fantasylandia is magic-based and their immune systems aren't prepared for this kind of anarchy, they are absolutely hosed by this. Our dude now has to reinvent epidemiology and medical science from poo poo he vaguely remembers from 3rd period biology class.
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I supposed Erfworld is technically one of these, though it has some twists in that the wargaming obsessive was specifically summoned into a wargaming world because of his skills fitting the spell's bill for being an ideal general, rather than the usual random portal or magical accident. And he's also not the first one. Basically, the human world is the other dimension that strange entities are summoned from by magical ritual.
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Covok posted:BEES! BEES! NOT THE BEES! I mean, I was talking about the original—good—version of The Wicker Man, obviously.
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Pope Guilty posted:I remember reading a book about a D&D group who get sucked into the game world (their professor/DM was a wizard from that world, I think?) only to discover that while they had their characters' powers, they couldn't become any more powerful because they didn't know how to learn eg magic and the cleric couldn't pray for spells because
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dwarf74 posted:It's really not good. The world-building is solid enough, but the main character is insufferable. And not in a "root for the antihero" way, just in an "ugh gently caress this guy" kind of a way. It's hard to imagine hating him more after he rapes a girl after being in fantasy-land for all of ten minutes, but he never has any redeeming moments after that. Having to spend time with him makes the books intolerable, and you keep hoping for some kind of payoff that never actually materializes. Edit: I really liked El Hazard, not least because of the arabesque music and design. The protagonist thankfully isn't a ridiculously pathetic neurotic who flies into a paroxysm of terror every time a woman looks at him, but he sure is bland. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Sep 3, 2018 |
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oriongates posted:I do admit to toying with the idea of writing an isekai quasi-parody at some point. That was actually part of the ancient text adventure Jinxter. Your character is about to be hit by a bus when they're transported to a strange magical world, go on a quest there, are named a Guardian of the world, get a fancy pendant naming them as a Guardian, and then get sent back to the real world.. exactly where they left from, so they are immediately hit by the bus and killed.
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Lurdiak posted:Harem animes are also nothing new, and those never have protagonists that are notable in any way. Huh, yeah, it's better to see it as "harem animes going into isekais" rather then the other way around. Hadn't thought of it like that. Also, RE: parodies, KonoSuba already exists. Also I read the first book of Thomas Covenant, and even at an age where I was ravenous for lovely fantasy to read, I stopped after the first book.
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Isekai stuff that explores how the stringent rules of an RPG-based world can be broken, peasant railgun style, can be pretty good. A couple of ones I've read that aren't too bad have the reincarnated/transported person as sort of a supporting act for the actual main character(s), which is another way to make it interesting. The ones that are just blatant wish fulfilment aren't interesting to read, much like most lovely fiction that mistakes power fantasy for actual plot.
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Halloween Jack posted:Stories with a truly amoral protagonist can be good, but this doesn't sound up to the standard of The Stars My Destination.
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Fuego Fish posted:The ones that are just blatant wish fulfilment aren't interesting to read, much like most lovely fiction that mistakes power fantasy for actual plot. but enough about ready player one
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Fuego Fish posted:Isekai stuff that explores how the stringent rules of an RPG-based world can be broken, peasant railgun style, can be pretty good. A couple of ones I've read that aren't too bad have the reincarnated/transported person as sort of a supporting act for the actual main character(s), which is another way to make it interesting. There already is such an Isekai. Kono Sekai ga Game da to Ore dake ga Shitteiru is about how the video game-based reality is full of glitches and potential exploits, and the main character acts and talks like a person from a speedrunning marathon, like AGDQ. There's a chapter where he defeats a bunch of high level monsters at very low levels, because he knows their AI doesn't have any attacks that hit right below them. So he lies in the safespot and slowly pokes them to death. golden bubble fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Sep 4, 2018 |
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golden bubble posted:There already is such an Isekai. Kono Sekai ga Game da to Ore dake ga Shitteiru is about how the video game-based reality is full of glitches and potential exploits, and the main character acts and talks like a person from a speedrunning marathon, like AGDQ. There's a chapter where he defeats a bunch of high level monsters at very low levels, because he knows their AI doesn't have any attacks that hit right below them. So he lies in the safespot and slowly pokes them to death. Yeah there's more than one like that. There was one I saw called "Exterminator" where the guy is literally an exterminator from regular earth. Lays down poison traps in a dungeon and then levels up 10 times in his sleep as hundreds of dire rats take the bait. Last I saw it had gone into a bit of a weird tangent about the metaphysics of how dungeons work but the initial few chapters were kinda funny.
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Korean comic The Gamer does that sort of thing too. Applying MMO logic to real world.
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Why do you guys keep reading this poo poo
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