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Kild
Apr 24, 2010

is it weird gang orca knew deku by name?

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Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer

Kild posted:

is it weird gang orca knew deku by name?

Considering the fight he had with Todoroki in the sports festival it would be weird if he didn't. Also it is hard to know just how much of his other exploits are known to the hero community but at this point it is safe to say that people are starting to talk about him.

Kild
Apr 24, 2010

yeah but it's not like he exclaimed todoroki when he showed up?

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Also he's technically an exam proctor, so it's not unusual for him to recognize an exam taker.

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.
So I heard rumblings from people upset that the second test was also a 'fighting test' rather than pure search and rescue. And it's important to remember that actual Search and Rescue still exists in the MHA universe and they're far more equipped at it than your standard hero. While heroes can spec into that field if it aligns with their quirks (The pussycats are an example of this), the actual scenario was that the usual people who'd be handling this weren't there and it was a hot zone. I think what makes this test work is the whole "You start with maximum marks and lose it for poor performance." Rather than having to build up points. Some heroes have no combat potential, sometimes the best thing they can do is ensure people are okay. And even though they don't know the scoring, this type of exam stops point-hunting like the UA exams. Just fighting villains and ignoring the civilians aren't going to get you any marks, if anything the villains can be considered the 0 Point robots from the test, actually beating Gang Orca may be impressive, but that's not what the exercise is about.

More importantly, everyone needs to cheer, because Deku has successfully entered a combat situation and returned without breaking anything, or being stabbed up, or in otherwise needing to go to a hospital!

En Family Mook
Apr 29, 2017

Kild posted:

is it weird gang orca knew deku by name?

I took it as "hey it's that kid who grabbed Bakugo at Kamino ward" type recognition.

Ularg
Mar 2, 2010

Just tell me I'm exotic.

Onmi posted:

So I heard rumblings from people upset that the second test was also a 'fighting test' rather than pure search and rescue. And it's important to remember that actual Search and Rescue still exists in the MHA universe and they're far more equipped at it than your standard hero. While heroes can spec into that field if it aligns with their quirks (The pussycats are an example of this), the actual scenario was that the usual people who'd be handling this weren't there and it was a hot zone. I think what makes this test work is the whole "You start with maximum marks and lose it for poor performance." Rather than having to build up points. Some heroes have no combat potential, sometimes the best thing they can do is ensure people are okay. And even though they don't know the scoring, this type of exam stops point-hunting like the UA exams. Just fighting villains and ignoring the civilians aren't going to get you any marks, if anything the villains can be considered the 0 Point robots from the test, actually beating Gang Orca may be impressive, but that's not what the exercise is about.

More importantly, everyone needs to cheer, because Deku has successfully entered a combat situation and returned without breaking anything, or being stabbed up, or in otherwise needing to go to a hospital!

people were complaining? Like this whole test has basically been "Let's take what we learned from Stain and the AFO fight and test our students on it"

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

Ularg posted:

people were complaining? Like this whole test has basically been "Let's take what we learned from Stain and the AFO fight and test our students on it"

I know people who were complaining it was too action-focused for a rescue exercise.

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream
Next two episodes gonna be pretty good I think

Mulderman
Mar 20, 2009

Did someone say axe magnet?
Good stuff, but I do feel they could have done a little bit more with Gang Orca. He looked way more vicious in the manga.

Rohan Kishibe
Oct 29, 2011

Frankly, I don't like you
and I never have.

Onmi posted:

I know people who were complaining it was too action-focused for a rescue exercise.

Didn't they also say that the league of villains and All Might retiring mean that hero education /assessment in general is focusing a lot harder on dealing with villains than usual?

AnacondaHL
Feb 15, 2009

I'm the lead trumpet player, playing loud and high is all I know how to do.

Rohan Kishibe posted:

Didn't they also say that the league of villains and All Might retiring mean that hero education /assessment in general is focusing a lot harder on dealing with villains than usual?

If you replace "people" with "people who have below average anime opinions and don't know what they're talking about", both posts make a lot more sense.

paragon1
Nov 22, 2010

FULL COMMUNISM NOW

Rohan Kishibe posted:

Didn't they also say that the league of villains and All Might retiring mean that hero education /assessment in general is focusing a lot harder on dealing with villains than usual?

Not exactly, they were saying they needed to start getting heroes cooperating with each other more. Because no one person could be expected to fill All Might's United States of Smash sized shoes.

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

Or at the very least, they can't expect someone to just step up and do that

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe

Rouncer posted:

He was bitching up a storm while his friends tried to rescue people. Which was why I think that was him they showed failing in that scene where the coordinator’s monitor was shown about 5 minutes into the episode.

Was a different pair then earlier. They showed kirishima and kaminari holding him back from basically attacking 2 other HUC victims.

Highly doubtful. He was actually doing what he was supposed to for the most part while Todoroki and Inasa actively threatened each other and their fellow rescuers with their argument. Remember the test wasn't about how heroic you were so much as how little you hosed up.

Carlosologist
Oct 13, 2013

Revelry in the Dark

Deified Data posted:

Highly doubtful. He was actually doing what he was supposed to for the most part while Todoroki and Inasa actively threatened each other and their fellow rescuers with their argument. Remember the test wasn't about how heroic you were so much as how little you hosed up.

Right, but Bakugo's awful attitude almost certainly wipes out his competence. a hero is supposed to be a reassuring figure not a drill sergeant

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.
Yeah, this is the first real time that Bakugo's awful nature is actively a detriment because, until this point, he's been judged by his competence as a fighter and his intelligence as a student, where he does great. but screaming at the hostages you're meant to rescue is entirely demerit worthy. After all, Deku got a demerit for not being reassuring, Ochako got a demerit for ALMOST levitating the rubble without considering the situation.

EDIT: Consider what we've seen of Endeavor, while he was lovely to Inasa because outside of the job he's just a terrible person, you can see that when he's actively doing the job of 'being a hero' he's very good at it. And even then there's a lot of in-universe "Endeavor Haters"

Rhonne
Feb 13, 2012

Onmi posted:

EDIT: Consider what we've seen of Endeavor, while he was lovely to Inasa because outside of the job he's just a terrible person, you can see that when he's actively doing the job of 'being a hero' he's very good at it. And even then there's a lot of in-universe "Endeavor Haters"

I think there was some side material that mentioned that, in universe, Endeavor is the most popular with the older male demographic, while All Might is just popular with everyone.

Rouncer
Jul 23, 2009

Deified Data posted:

Highly doubtful. He was actually doing what he was supposed to for the most part while Todoroki and Inasa actively threatened each other and their fellow rescuers with their argument. Remember the test wasn't about how heroic you were so much as how little you hosed up.

Watch it again. They showed sleepy guy’s monitor with someone on the screen with 100 points @ 4:50. Then they did a scene pan through a still of some 1A acting heroic. Then at 4:57 they panned a still of Bakugo being held back by his friends while yelling at 2 HUC acting the role of children. Then at 5:12 they showed the guys monitor again with points dropping into the failure zone.

Inasa and Todoroki hadn’t done anything to cost them points at that point. Only issue with that interpretation is that Bakugo had already lost points so shouldn’t have been at 100 if that was meant to be him.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Onmi posted:

Yeah, this is the first real time that Bakugo's awful nature is actively a detriment because, until this point, he's been judged by his competence as a fighter and his intelligence as a student, where he does great. but screaming at the hostages you're meant to rescue is entirely demerit worthy. After all, Deku got a demerit for not being reassuring, Ochako got a demerit for ALMOST levitating the rubble without considering the situation.

EDIT: Consider what we've seen of Endeavor, while he was lovely to Inasa because outside of the job he's just a terrible person, you can see that when he's actively doing the job of 'being a hero' he's very good at it. And even then there's a lot of in-universe "Endeavor Haters"

Ochako was almost marked down, if I remember right. The internal monologue from the victim was "that's gonna cost... ah." rather than actually marking her down.

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe
Here is why Bakugo will not fail: what Todoroki and Inasa did was far more disqualifying than being mean to a couple disaster victims and the genre dictates that neither of them would fail alongside Bakugo. Unless he fails and they pass arbitrarily, which is not outside the realm of possibility but this show is usually written better than that.

One of these three failing would have a good narrative punch, all three failing is impossible. If Bakugo is the one that fails that would be stupid as hell. Their inability to put their argument aside literally put more people in (real) danger than there were already.

ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen

That episode was fun

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Rhonne posted:

I think there was some side material that mentioned that, in universe, Endeavor is the most popular with the older male demographic, while All Might is just popular with everyone.

Not quite. Endeavor has most of his fans in that demographic, but even then lots of people in that Demographic like other heroes more.

It stated later in terms of pure popularity Endeavor is around 6th place at most among active pros in the top 10.

MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Sep 3, 2018

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Deified Data posted:

Here is why Bakugo will not fail: what Todoroki and Inasa did was far more disqualifying than being mean to a couple disaster victims and the genre dictates that neither of them would fail alongside Bakugo. Unless he fails and they pass arbitrarily, which is not outside the realm of possibility but this show is usually written better than that.

One of these three failing would have a good narrative punch, all three failing is impossible. If Bakugo is the one that fails that would be stupid as hell. Their inability to put their argument aside literally put more people in (real) danger than there were already.

Todoroki and Inasa are failing together, or not at all. Either way, they're foils, and are going to play off one another to confront their respective issues. Bakugo will just barely pass if he doesn't fail. The whole point of his scenes are that his issues are still front and center, and either he's going to suffer the consequences here, or there will be a stern warning that he needs to rethink his trajectory. I'll definitely predict Todoroki and Inasa fail. Bakugo could go either way.

A Bug
Nov 26, 2008

MOM GET THE CAMERA!
:potg:
Yeah, I can definitely see Todoroki and Inasa failing together for their squabbling. And Bakugo seems like he's set up to fail as well. In the scene he showed, he was just walking along while Kaminari and Kirishima carried the rescue victims. It seems like he could've been more proactive in finding villains to fight since the other two had the rescue part handled. Or look more vigilant if he was running defense/escort.

And Bakugo failing while Midoriya passes could be a good story hook. He's been kinda cooling down when it comes to Deku, so having another instance like the battle training where he fails while Deku succeeds will probably drive him nuts.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Jorenko posted:

It was. Eighty. Five. loving. Episodes.
https://www.animefillerlist.com/shows/naruto

85 filler episodes in a row?!? :eyepop:

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Jorenko posted:

It was. Eighty. Five. loving. Episodes.
https://www.animefillerlist.com/shows/naruto

naruto and bleach were the epitome of Filler Hell, I think the only good episode to come out of filler for either show is the one where naruto's shadow clones form a union and go on strike(it ended up being a dream of course because whoever wrote it is a coward who hates good things)

One Piece also had a lot of filler before it became terrible but the filler actually wasn't bad

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Zomborgon posted:

And now I want an Ace Attorney game in which you're the one Quirkless lawyer. Occasionally, your opposition secretly disrupts the court proceedings or alters the crime scene with unlicensed quirks.

I would play a game like that

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Zomborgon posted:

And now I want an Ace Attorney game in which you're the one Quirkless lawyer. Occasionally, your opposition secretly disrupts the court proceedings or alters the crime scene with unlicensed quirks.

so you want any Ace Attorney game then

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


I'd watch Single Quirkless Lawyer

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


Miles Edgeworth! Quirk: Logic!

Bremma
Sep 7, 2007

She was a terrible creature and did not deserve our love

Yinlock posted:

so you want any Ace Attorney game then

Actually it'd be like being a normal lawyer up against Apollo or Phoenix who both have weird powers (the Psycho-Lock power from the Magatama for Phoenix and Apollo's lie detecting bracelet and skills). But if I do recall right from Terper's joke I think that was literally Edgeworth's power in Investigations- being REALLY GOOD at logical deduction.

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream

Yinlock posted:

naruto and bleach were the epitome of Filler Hell, I think the only good episode to come out of filler for either show is the one where naruto's shadow clones form a union and go on strike(it ended up being a dream of course because whoever wrote it is a coward who hates good things)

One Piece also had a lot of filler before it became terrible but the filler actually wasn't bad
Man there was a lot of bad One Piece filler. The arc with the dragon and the fireworks thing and some of the other filler arcs were awful. G8 stands out as like the one filler arc that was actually legitimately good.

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

Naruto also has the Kakashi mask episode, and there is apparently an episode after I stopped watching where a guest director did a really dark and moody episode about Kurenai and Shikamaru coping with Asuma's death that is technically filler.

Patware
Jan 3, 2005

i would go so far as to say one piece's filler is some of the worst

like whoever made most of it didn't seem to know a drat thing about the world, like that weird dimensional mist one and poo poo. just constantly using concepts that had nothing to do with one piece

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Fabricated posted:

Man there was a lot of bad One Piece filler. The arc with the dragon and the fireworks thing and some of the other filler arcs were awful. G8 stands out as like the one filler arc that was actually legitimately good.

oh I mostly just know about G8 which was Actually Good, so my bad on that one

Rohan Kishibe
Oct 29, 2011

Frankly, I don't like you
and I never have.

dogsicle posted:

Naruto also has the Kakashi mask episode, and there is apparently an episode after I stopped watching where a guest director did a really dark and moody episode about Kurenai and Shikamaru coping with Asuma's death that is technically filler.

Kakashi mask is an adaptation of a short little joke thing Kishimoto did for WSJ, so I dunno how that affects the definition of filler there.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Patware posted:

i would go so far as to say one piece's filler is some of the worst

like whoever made most of it didn't seem to know a drat thing about the world, like that weird dimensional mist one and poo poo. just constantly using concepts that had nothing to do with one piece

Agreed. The pocket-dimension mist was a Star Trek-ism that didn't belong in One Piece, and the memory-eating seahorse was worse.

Another weird problem One Piece filler has is that the Straw Hats always seem to be either holding back or inexplicably weaker than they should be. The Heart of Gold special in particular is full of the Straw Hats struggling with problems that Robin should be able to handle on her own. (Despite this, Heart of Gold is probably above average for One Piece filler.)

And why does there have to be an annoying little kid character in every filler arc? Someone else (I think on SA) suggested that it's rooted in a fundamental misunderstanding of One Piece's escapist appeal; viewers want to be the Straw Hats, not to be rescued by the Straw Hats.

Patware
Jan 3, 2005

e: No spoilers. C'mon. :colbert:

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Patware
Jan 3, 2005

WHOOPS i'd just woken up and crossed my threads up. my bad

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