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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I went to a combo UNT football game/World Class Revolution wrassling match, and I'm not sure I understood what I just watched 99% of the time, everything is choreographed, in the sense that everyone in a match has to work together to make it look good while also being safe. Like you said, a suplex is definitely real in that someone is landing on the mat. It takes coordination and strength from both; the person doing it has to be able to lift and balance another person around their size, and the person being lifted has to jump and balance themselves to stay upright, then both have to fall together so everyone safely lands on their back. Most of the time a match is made up on the fly in the ring, with the wrestlers subtly (and sometimes not so subtly) "calling spots". Meaning whoever is going to do something, they tell the other person so they can prepare to do or take the move. The finish is pretty much always determined ahead of time, as well as a few things during the match like interference, or putting someone through a table. Back in the older days, there were a lot of guys known for "working stiff" which is basically being less showy with their moves and more "realistic." Terry Funk had the best looking punches in the business, because they were actual punches.
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Was it Iceman King Parson? Oh please let it be Iceman King Parson. As far as "what's real" ? It's as safe as physics and gravity will allow. Knowing how to take a bump protects most of your body namely your head/brain/skull from the impact but it still has a toll on your body. And even that isn't perfect. Just one wrong bump can end all your fun. Beer_Suitcase fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Sep 2, 2018 |
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I had to check and yeah, World Class Revolution is the group that has Jose Canseco and one of Teen Moms on their 'roster'. Looks like it's an indie with a money mark (a rich investor who cares more about being involved in wrestling than making a profit) and delusions that having 'celebrities' will make them a mainstream success. I'd say AA baseball might be generous for them. They look to be coasting mostly on getting talent that got exposure with WWE or TNA to work their shows, or old timers. Like, imagine if someone started a baseball team TODAY and Canseco was the anchor of their lineup. That's kind of what this promotion seems to be.
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TheCool69 posted:Thinking about Asuka and Samoa Joe mentioned earlier. I still think the end of Asuka's undefeated streak was great. Everything AFTER that..... eek. Edit: To be fair, I was also a fan of how Joe's streak was ended by Angle, because I figured it was setup for Joe winning the next two matches so the undefeated streak would be out of the way but now he'd have been established as a world beater by winning a feud against one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. They... did not do that.
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Aleister Black was undefeated for a while and then when he lost that because of Cole loving around, he properly responded by murdering Cole.
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On one hand, Tatanka's undefeated streak was ended by Ludvig Borga. On the other hand, that loss directly led to a year-long storyline that included the Undertaker's ghost, an evil Undertaker clone, Leslie Neilson, Undertaker delivering pizza, Chuck Norris, Paul Bearer in drag and Undertaker using his magic powers to dress Mr. Fuji in drag.
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Gavok posted:On one hand, Tatanka's undefeated streak was ended by Ludvig Borga. On the other hand, that loss directly led to a year-long storyline that included the Undertaker's ghost, an evil Undertaker clone, Leslie Neilson, Undertaker delivering pizza, Chuck Norris, Paul Bearer in drag and Undertaker using his magic powers to dress Mr. Fuji in drag. WWF mid 90s sounds so much better when you just lay it out like that.
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Gavok posted:On one hand, Tatanka's undefeated streak was ended by Ludvig Borga. On the other hand, that loss directly led to a year-long storyline that included the Undertaker's ghost, an evil Undertaker clone, Leslie Neilson, Undertaker delivering pizza, Chuck Norris, Paul Bearer in drag and Undertaker using his magic powers to dress Mr. Fuji in drag. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo1rvx8zRTw
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Matanza's winning streak ending by getting teamed up on by everyone in the lucha underground royal rumble was pretty good, I think. Shame about the person that actually won, though. Charlotte's ppv streak ending randomly at the C-tier ppv before wrestlemania is actually the one that tilted me the most.
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Who has the book for ROH? I hear Delirious getting the blame but someone mentioned that Christopher Daniels was part of the booking committee in ROH yet delirious seems to be getting a lot of blame for ROH's blandness. I'm wondering about this and the ROH/NJPW show in terms of who's getting to book that show.
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TV Zombie posted:Who has the book for ROH? I hear Delirious getting the blame but someone mentioned that Christopher Daniels was part of the booking committee in ROH yet delirious seems to be getting a lot of blame for ROH's blandness. I'm wondering about this and the ROH/NJPW show in terms of who's getting to book that show. Delirious is the head booker and I believe he also effectively oversees most of the day to day operations on the wrestling (non business) side. Isn't Daniels mostly an agent?
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forkboy84 posted:Ox Baker must have killed a lot of people with his fearsome heart punch.
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Beer_Suitcase posted:Was it Iceman King Parson? Oh please let it be Iceman King Parson. Yeah, it was was Iceman Parson. Dude looked completely washed, but he's what, 60, or something by now? I'm guess I'm wondering if wrestlers know for sure when they're gonna get suplex'd, or if they're just winging it following some rough guidelines Gaz-L posted:I had to check and yeah, World Class Revolution is the group that has Jose Canseco and one of Teen Moms on their 'roster'. Ah, bad independent league baseball then. Legacy Von Erich and a retired Iceman, this checks out
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Yeah, it was was Iceman Parson. Dude looked completely washed, but he's what, 60, or something by now? Wow, he must be old. Guy was the Main Event at the first real show I worked on back in 2000. Only two moves happened. Arm wingers and Bear hugs. Then a failed body slam into a pin for the finish. Iceman looked like had run 50 marathons.
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Who should I really know in this year's BOLA? Walter, Cobb, Bandido, Janella , PCO, Thatcher, Riddle, and Rey seem to be the biggest names. Is there anyone else to really look into?
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only temporary posted:Who should I really know in this year's BOLA? Walter, Cobb, Bandido, Janella , PCO, Thatcher, Riddle, and Rey seem to be the biggest names. Is there anyone else to really look into? I don't follow Dragon Gate but Shingo Takagi was excellent in AJPW's Champion Carnival this year. Ilja Dragunov is very good and all the matches from his wXw Unified Championship reign this year are worth looking into. He also has a big match with Pete Dunne coming up at Wembley.
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only temporary posted:Who should I really know in this year's BOLA? Walter, Cobb, Bandido, Janella , PCO, Thatcher, Riddle, and Rey seem to be the biggest names. Is there anyone else to really look into? T-Hawk is with CIMA in OWE, the weird China based Dragon Gate offshoot which has lots of Shaolin monks and is kind of fascinating. He has the potential to be a real breakout star of BOLA, not quite an unknown. Otherwise, it's been over a decade since I last saw Jody Fleisch wrestle so I'm fascinated to see what shape he's in after all these years. And Shingo will be great because Shingo has been great since at least his excursion to ROH in 2006/7.
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SiKboy posted:Cant give a dead man a life sentence. Does that mean you can't be accused of the attempted murder of said dead man ? Because the Berzerker totally tried to kill Taker with a sword that one time. Also, Taker tried to kill The Ultimate Warrior by locking him in an airtight coffin.
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SiKboy posted:Cant give a dead man a life sentence. There was an episode of The Twilight Zone where an immortal guy got a life sentence in jail and he immediately killed himself. Coward, imo.
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Impact is showing some live "Impact vs the UK" Twitch show next Sunday that has LAX vs Fleisch and Jonny Storm scheduled and I'm unreasonably excited to watch that. Its been a decade since I've seen those two so I'm really curious if my memories of loving them hold up.
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Jody Fleish was booked in AIW's JLIT tournament this year, which from what I've gathered was his first time back in the US in years, and he had an amazing match with Andrew Everett. He definitely still has everything he used to.
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Bad Wolf posted:Because the Berzerker totally tried to kill Taker with a sword that one time. Oh I did not. huss huss huss
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STAC Goat posted:Impact is showing some live "Impact vs the UK" Twitch show next Sunday that has LAX vs Fleisch and Jonny Storm scheduled and I'm unreasonably excited to watch that. Its been a decade since I've seen those two so I'm really curious if my memories of loving them hold up. (Also I didn't realize Storm had unretired too?)
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Draxion posted:Jody Fleish was booked in AIW's JLIT tournament this year, which from what I've gathered was his first time back in the US in years, and he had an amazing match with Andrew Everett. He definitely still has everything he used to. Jody is amazing and he's loving ripped these days to he looks like a million bucks.
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Going back to undefeated streaks, Kurt Angle's after he debuted was probably the best one because it was entertaining (like arguing over Tazz's hold at the Royal Rumble) and had him lose to The Rock on Raw to end it. It wasn't overly dramatic like Goldberg's or anything but it honestly went better than any I can recall.
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Angle's undefeated streak was an easy break because Angle didn't need the streak to be credible or over. He just had so much else going on. And beyond all that, he was something of a comedy wrestler to start anyway.
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What is the longest face-in-peril segment in a tag match—from the moment where the opponents start to gain the upper hand on the face, then continue by double-teaming & cutting off access to the face's partner(s) until finally, the battered face gets the hot tag on the fresh man?
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Roman's "streak" was done pretty well too. His first pin came in an 11-on-3 elimination match where he did a lot of damage, but was eventually taken down by teamwork and overwhelming numbers. His first fair pin loss was in that Wyatt Family match, which was a 3-on-1 situation in its final moments. The Shield streak ending was great too.
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When did wrestling in the US become a thing that was only marketed to men? It feels similar to comics where way in the past it was for everyone and then at some point an old boys club decided it was only for men. It obviously isn't like that in Japan and it doesn't seem like that in Mexico. What happened here?
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Gumball Gumption posted:When did wrestling in the US become a thing that was only marketed to men? It feels similar to comics where way in the past it was for everyone and then at some point an old boys club decided it was only for men. It obviously isn't like that in Japan and it doesn't seem like that in Mexico. What happened here? Vince?
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Coaaab posted:What is the longest face-in-peril segment in a tag match—from the moment where the opponents start to gain the upper hand on the face, then continue by double-teaming & cutting off access to the face's partner(s) until finally, the battered face gets the hot tag on the fresh man? Sting/Flair versus the Horsemen at Halloween Havoc? That went on and on and on and on. And then Flair gets tagged in and immediately turns on Sting, natch.
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The Mustache Mountain/TUE match also did a very long one with Trent but he never actually made the tag.
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Gumball Gumption posted:When did wrestling in the US become a thing that was only marketed to men? It feels similar to comics where way in the past it was for everyone and then at some point an old boys club decided it was only for men. It obviously isn't like that in Japan and it doesn't seem like that in Mexico. What happened here? The Attitude Era.
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Coaaab posted:What is the longest face-in-peril segment in a tag match—from the moment where the opponents start to gain the upper hand on the face, then continue by double-teaming & cutting off access to the face's partner(s) until finally, the battered face gets the hot tag on the fresh man? DX vs Legacy in a cage. Felt like hours.
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Coaaab posted:What is the longest face-in-peril segment in a tag match—from the moment where the opponents start to gain the upper hand on the face, then continue by double-teaming & cutting off access to the face's partner(s) until finally, the battered face gets the hot tag on the fresh man? Longest one I can think of is Black and Danielson vs The American Wolves from ROH Tag Title Classic. Tyler Black is in peril for 10 minutes at the start of the match and then Danielson is in peril for another long period after Black goes through a table. There's probably some Rock N Roll Express matches that go even longer but it's the one that comes to mind since most tag matches don't even go 10 minutes.
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MassRafTer posted:Longest one I can think of is Black and Danielson vs The American Wolves from ROH Tag Title Classic. Tyler Black is in peril for 10 minutes at the start of the match and then Danielson is in peril for another long period after Black goes through a table. There's probably some Rock N Roll Express matches that go even longer but it's the one that comes to mind since most tag matches don't even go 10 minutes.
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Gumball Gumption posted:When did wrestling in the US become a thing that was only marketed to men? It feels similar to comics where way in the past it was for everyone and then at some point an old boys club decided it was only for men. It obviously isn't like that in Japan and it doesn't seem like that in Mexico. What happened here? It's less an old boys club thing and more a toxic fanbase. See: A constant criticism of John Cena over the years being "Only WOMEN and CHILDREN like him.  ". It wasn't until women could be used as an excuse to push a wrestler they liked (Bayley) that said fanbase began to turn around.
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What promotions are primed for big leaps in the next 5 years? What promotions are looking at big downswings?
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VJeff posted:What promotions are primed for big leaps in the next 5 years? What promotions are looking at big downswings? That's a hard question to answer right now cause the answer could fully change depending on what happens with the Bucks/Cody/Omega contracts. But as of right now I'd say All Japan and CMLL are probably looking for big leaps forward, especially if CMLL decides to grow globally. Downswings will probably be Revolution Pro and wXw as they get starved out thanks to WWE UK. WWE should be okay unless they cause Friday night local news ratings to crater for local Fox stations. If that happens than they could be in real trouble.
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Coaaab posted:What is the longest face-in-peril segment in a tag match—from the moment where the opponents start to gain the upper hand on the face, then continue by double-teaming & cutting off access to the face's partner(s) until finally, the battered face gets the hot tag on the fresh man? I saw a Rockers-Rougeaus Iron Man match that had a long stretch, but I couldn't give you the number since it was 30 years ago
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