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the only other one i can think of off hand is Shatterstar
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Rochallor posted:30 gay X-Dudes Would read this team book.
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I'm living in a blissful fantasy land where X-Statix is back, so I'd also say Vivisector, Phat, and even good old Bloke. Oh, and Rictor. I think one of the nobody D-list one-offs that Scott Lobdell introduced at the very end of his run was gay-- some guy with transparent skin? I forgot Anole's erstwhile boyfriend Greymalkin but to be fair I think that was Greymalkin's power. I think half of the issue is the industry-wide difficulty of introducing new characters that readers embrace enough to have real staying power-- I think writers are eager to write cool new LGBTQIA characters, but once they finish up a run getting the next set of writers to follow through is difficult. Look at how Anole-- who has a fair bit of fan momentum behind him-- fades in and out of visibility. The other issue is getting past reader resistance in having old, established characters come out. A lot of very ugly takes came out when Iceman came out, for example, and if, for some reason, you find yourself trawling the letter columns of old Alpha Flight issues, you can read similarly reactionary responses to Northstar. Personally I'd love somebody to take up Claremont and Morrison's torch and just have old X-Men coming out left and right, as its always been a mega Foucauldian narrative about a polymorphously perverse heterotopia full of beautiful weirdos with magical bodies, so of course the sexual and social mores of the human order wouldn't hold much sway. Have Cyclops as the token straight mutant, who's always sitting at his computer buying socks off the Land's End website.
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Aug 25, 2018 15:41
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People were upset at just the minorities of the All-New All-Different X-Men, forget their preferred romantic partners. One very early letter absolutely hated almost everybody new and he wanted Colossus and Storm explicitly to get married and go to Russia and never be seen again. Nightcrawler was to die heroically since he could have no secret identity. Banshee was okay, but he should go back to Ireland and only guest star now and then. Wolverine was fine, though. He should stick around with the O5. So no minorities, ugly people, Commie Pinkos and we're shaky on the Irish.
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Aug 25, 2018 16:04
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Dawgstar posted:So no minorities, ugly people, Commie Pinkos and we're shaky on the Irish. Did you know this line wasn't actually added to the Pledge of Allegiance until the 1950s?
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Aug 25, 2018 16:36
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I have no problem with Iceman being gay but the way it was written with all removal of agency on his part and Bendis seemingly putting it at the end of his run so he didn't actually have to deal with the repercussions of it was lazy as hell. That said Rictor is my waifu
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Aug 25, 2018 16:42
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hope and vaseline posted:I have no problem with Iceman being gay but the way it was written with all removal of agency on his part and Bendis seemingly putting it at the end of his run so he didn't actually have to deal with the repercussions of it was lazy as hell. It also didn’t help that Bendis went through effort to make sure you knew he wasn’t bi. Almost like it was just lovely pandering instead of trying to explore a gay X-man. Luckily they did give Iceman a book to explore it more.
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Aug 25, 2018 19:20
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Storm has been so clearly bisexual since the 80s so it wouldn't be a retcon at all to have her come out, and yet no-one ever has. It's really weird. Also Rachel Grey in the 80s just gave off giant lesbian vibes. e: actually this page was about queer guy mutants, my bad, sorry. Okay, so I know Wolverine is low-key bi, but maybe show that in the mainstream universe, have his sexual tension with Nightcrawler be canonical, something. As it stands it's just one panel in an AU so it's easy for people to sweep it under the rug, but mainstream Logan making out with dudes would really blow up some heads and has ample canonical support.
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Aug 25, 2018 19:28
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hope and vaseline posted:I have no problem with Iceman being gay but the way it was written with all removal of agency on his part and Bendis seemingly putting it at the end of his run so he didn't actually have to deal with the repercussions of it was lazy as hell. I know I've said this before but, it seems like Young Iceman's only defining characteristic is being gay. I loved Rictor and Shatterstar in X-Factor too. Peter David rocks.
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Android Blues posted:Storm has been so clearly bisexual since the 80s so it wouldn't be a retcon at all to have her come out, and yet no-one ever has. It's really weird. what low key bisexuality between Wolverine and Nightcrawler?  Greg Rucka posted:Also please note the placement of the beer bottle.
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Aug 25, 2018 22:34
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The latest Generation X was full of bi/gay storytelling. I don’t remember anything beyond that, including the characters’ names, so they will probably have that same Anole problem.
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Beerdeer posted:The latest Generation X was full of bi/gay storytelling. I don’t remember anything beyond that, including the characters’ names, so they will probably have that same Anole problem. Bling! is a lesbian, I think, like two of the new dudes dated (one of them also dated Quire I think, but that might have just been Quire trying to get those two to hook up in his jerk way, Quire's own preferences were left ambiguous I think). Also Prodigy is bi, I believe.
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Aug 26, 2018 01:14
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Cabbit posted:Also Prodigy is bi, I believe. The only person I recall him dating is Surge.
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Aug 26, 2018 02:43
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Dawgstar posted:The only person I recall him dating is Surge. In Young Avengers he came out as bi. Everyone on Young Avengers was bisexual or gay. Though Kate might be attracted to America Chavez.
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Aug 26, 2018 02:49
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Codependent Poster posted:In Young Avengers he came out as bi.  I ship it.
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Aug 26, 2018 03:11
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rantmo posted:
Yea thst was pretty awesome. Should just get Kate Leth back to do a x book so she can make everyone queer. Hellcat did that really well, and she has said she's part of the CN agenda to make everything "hella gay"
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Aug 27, 2018 23:00
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America and Kate are both in West Coast Avengers at the moment. Kate's boyfriend is also in it, but I don't think Kelly Thompson is a queer adverse writer. I predict at least something on level of Claremont writing Kutty and Magick, or Kitty and Phoenix (Rachel).
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Aug 27, 2018 23:13
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rantmo posted:
That's very rude of America to out Kate like that.
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Aug 27, 2018 23:33
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I like that Thompson has consistently kept the chemistry between the two even if it's not been explicitly romantic/sexual. If it's something Thompson doesn't want to pursue (and I've never seen anything from her regarding that), I buy their relationship as evolving out of that moment into the closeness they have now. It's still there to be picked up later if someone wanted to. Also more Kath Lethe queering up Marvel please. X-books need more gay.
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Kate's new boyfriend seems pretty cool so they can just keep flirting for now. Anyway, back to the X-Men. Have they followed up on that "Set it Right" Cyclops teaser from a while back? https://www.newsarama.com/40814-cyclops-to-set-it-right-in-extermination.html I guess that could be young Nate holding the visor. Maybe he's doing what he's doing in Extermination to bring old Scott back?
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Extermination's entire conceit is to get rid of the Original Five, so it'll probably also bring back Real Scott.
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Aug 28, 2018 13:36
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they're both real fictional people
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Aug 29, 2018 05:09
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One of them is more realer than the other.
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Aug 29, 2018 11:47
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Synthbuttrange posted:they're both real fictional people 
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I don't know if anybody is actually still reading New Mutants-Dead Souls, but it wrapped up this week on a major cliffhanger. After being really iffy on the first couple of issues I ended up really enjoying it. The art is great--Illyana especially--and Rosenberg has a good handle on the voice of the characters. It also approaches doing one of my fantasy pitches for X-Men--moving Karma into an antagonist role basically by her making hundreds of little compromising decisions as the head of an enormous company, and having all her friends thinking she's just possessed for the nth time instead of doing it of her own volition.
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Rochallor posted:I don't know if anybody is actually still reading New Mutants-Dead Souls, but it wrapped up this week on a major cliffhanger. After being really iffy on the first couple of issues I ended up really enjoying it. The art is great--Illyana especially--and Rosenberg has a good handle on the voice of the characters. Yeah, I liked it, too. The only downside is the cliffhanger, because I'm not sure we're getting a follow up.
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Dawgstar posted:Yeah, I liked it, too. The only downside is the cliffhanger, because I'm not sure we're getting a follow up. I assume it'll be dealt with in Uncanny since Rosenberg's one of the architects of that now. As least I hope because otherwise that's a lot of characters left in limbo.
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How is Illyana in it? Did she get her bangs back?
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twistedmentat posted:How is Illyana in it? Did she get her bangs back? Indeed so. She's a lot... nicer than in recent incarnations? Honestly if she joked around more she'd be a lot like her, well, New Mutants incarnation.
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Dawgstar posted:Indeed so. She's a lot... nicer than in recent incarnations? Honestly if she joked around more she'd be a lot like her, well, New Mutants incarnation. I'll have to grab it when its it trade. Its funny, that version of Illyana showed up sometimes in Bendis's run. It was weird.
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twistedmentat posted:I'll have to grab it when its it trade. Its funny, that version of Illyana showed up sometimes in Bendis's run. It was weird. She's definitely as good as this as she's been since she came back from the dead, yeah. I honestly can't even remember what Illyana's deal is right now. When she first came back she was just the Darkchilde with no soul, then she got her soul back but lost it again? Whatever the case is, here she's portrayed as somewhat aloof but clearly human struggling with the corruption inside of her. The only real memorable moment of the past several years I can think of is her revealing to Piotr that she pushed him to become the Juggernaut so that he would learn what it's like to deal with a dark force within. Which is a wonderfully dark moment exactly halfway between human and demon.
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Sep 1, 2018 10:39
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Look the important thing is that the bangs are back
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Synthbuttrange posted:Look the important thing is that the bangs are back My friend too me to a strip club for my birthday and one of the dancers was a Russian woman with exact Illyana hair. 
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twistedmentat posted:My friend too me to a strip club for my birthday and one of the dancers was a Russian woman with exact Illyana hair. imma level with you man every russian woman has illyana's hair and every russian man has piotr's hair
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One can certainly imagine Claremont doing exhaustive research in that particular field.
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Sep 3, 2018 18:18
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I read Extinction 1 and 2 today and they're uh, not great.
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Sep 3, 2018 18:39
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Yeah it comes across as rushed and forced.
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Well mostly Kid Cable is dumb and doesn't work for me at all.
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Sep 3, 2018 19:05
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I actually have enjoyed it. Especially what Rhyno mentions above.
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Stupid spoiler typo. Sorry everyone who hadn't gotten to that yet.
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