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Poil
Mar 17, 2007

There's that small sunni country in the armpit of Anatolia right between the Ottomans and Mamluks who have half their provinces starting as shia so it's easy to convert and pick the school you want. Unless it was recently patched it's a regular monarchy so you can easily switch to a republic.

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StealthArcher
Jan 10, 2010




Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

Huh. I just realized one of the Shia schools gives 0.5 RT a year to republics. That's actually crazy. That's +50% on the default passive gain. For comparison's sake, protestantism's boost is 0.1, and Coptic's is 0.2. 0.5 seems to be the biggest boost from a single source in the entire game by a huge margin.

I wonder if it's the result of an input error or something (someone typed 5 instead of 2 on their keypad when inputting the value?). As it is, it's incredibly powerful and is almost able to make re-elections self-sustaining on its own (alongside events and the occasional pass on rulers who are rolled old). Gaining access to it is not super easy since I don't think there are any Shia republics at the game's start. I made a custom three province nation in northern Syria and am having fun being sandwiched by the ottomans and mamluks while I try to gobble up the beyliks before they do and not get my poo poo kicked in in the process.

edit: Looking at the wiki, I guess a few national idea sets have .5, but those usually come with otherwise lovely idea sets. I want to try turning already powerful nation into a Shia republic.

If the new Dharma Veche Republic is as good as it looks and doesn't have the 20 province limit anymore, it may be best to make Russia as Novgorod now. They also, coincidentally, have a +.5RT.

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

Communist Walrus posted:

Do you still get 100% warscore if you hold the objective for five years? You might be able to swipe Cyprus from the Mamluks (assuming you invested in a bunch of galleys), wait out the clock, then use the resulting warscore to snag Gaza, Jaffa, and maybe Jerusalem if it's not restricted since you haven't occupied any forts in the area.

Cyprus is still independent, not sure if it would be enough when I'd have to pay double warscore to take Mamluk provinces. Plus the fort thing like you say. I'm not sure on the exact mechanics of that. Cyprus has a fort, but I doubt it'd count since a) it's held by a different tag, and b) it's in a completely different region. (Cyprus counts as Anatolia, not Mashriq.)

e: Actually they're neither guaranteed by nor allied with the Mamluks, so it's a moot point.

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

Update: It is time :black101:



Byzantium was dumb enough to guarantee the Ottomans, so I was able to goad them into a war with Poland and I without involving the Mamluks, so I could take a bite out of them and annul their unholy alliance. Since then I was able to swing an alliance with Castille and take some time to gobble up a few minors and build up my forces.

Also, looka that Lucca!

e: boom

Wafflecopper fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Sep 3, 2018

RabidWeasel
Aug 4, 2007

Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!
You should have taken just 1 province in Syria to release as a vassal and then taken more good provinces in Egypt with the leftover warscore. I'd imagine you're going to start running into big rear end AE problems with Sunnis and doing a bunch of reconquests really helps to keep things managable (Iraq is also a great one for this).

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

RabidWeasel posted:

You should have taken just 1 province in Syria to release as a vassal and then taken more good provinces in Egypt with the leftover warscore.

Eh, I like contiguous borders. Also, I got the achievement, not sure how long I'll keep playing this run anyway. Plus if I do keep playing, I have strong allies now (Spain, Commonweath, QQ), I'm not too worried about the remaining Sunnis.

Wafflecopper fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Sep 3, 2018

feller
Jul 5, 2006


Hello, I would just like to whine that this game wasn't out this weekend when I could have played it a bunch over my 4 days off! human status: uncertain

RabidWeasel
Aug 4, 2007

Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!

Senor Dog posted:

Hello, I would just like to whine that this game wasn't out this weekend when I could have played it a bunch over my 4 days off! human status: uncertain

:same: but I purchased and played Into the Breach a whole lot so time was wasted productively

p.s. game is good guys

StealthArcher
Jan 10, 2010




Senor Dog posted:

Hello, I would just like to whine that this game wasn't out this weekend when I could have played it a bunch over my 4 days off! human status: uncertain

:emptyquote:

Kuiperdolin
Sep 5, 2011

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022

Just in time (both ingame and before the patch), I finally got my long-coveted Mare Nostrum cheevo as France. Ended with a hellwar against Megadenmark and PU Russia over Crimea. Three navies at force limit built and sunk, but finally even with 2:1 losses I could replace mine faster than he could his and finally sack Sjaelland. Got obsessive collectivist while I was at it lol.

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

Let's put a simile on that face
A dazzling simile
Twinkling like the night sky
So with Dharma hitting me and a buddy are planning a co-op session, when we hit a wrinkle. Are only indian nations getting new missions? I imagine all of them sort of want the same territory.

Kuiperdolin
Sep 5, 2011

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022

Russia too.

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 17, 2004

Cynic Jester posted:

So with Dharma hitting me and a buddy are planning a co-op session, when we hit a wrinkle. Are only indian nations getting new missions? I imagine all of them sort of want the same territory.

New mission trees:

Vijayanagar
Bahmanis
Delhi
Orissa
Bengal
Mughals
Mewar
Hindustan
Gujarat
Malwa
Taungu
Bharat
Tibet (free)
North Indians (free)
South Indians (free)
Muscovy (Third Rome)
Novgorod (Third Rome)
Russia (Third Rome)
Russian Minors (Third Rome)

RabidWeasel
Aug 4, 2007

Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!
Especially since Bharat / Hindustan have their own mission sets, presumably every Indian tag will eventually lead to total domination of the whole of India if you follow all the missions

Jean Pony
Nov 27, 2007


We all know warriors don't read books, and this would-be conquerer would like to read less estate events as well.

Most of the estate events are incredibly tedious. I really don't care about the options other than avoiding any one faction getting above 80 influence, and ofc rather not lose MP...

I find that the tediousness comes from having to read a mini-novel and parsing the implications of each option. It really feels like it gets in the way of the game I'm trying to play.

If the events could have some graphical representation of the estates, like there are birds for dip and paper for adm, it'd go a long way. If you also made the influence modifier red when accepting would take you over the disaster treshold it'd be even better.

But maybe an even simpler solution is to rework esates entirely...

Firebatgyro
Dec 3, 2010

Jean Pony posted:

We all know warriors don't read books, and this would-be conquerer would like to read less estate events as well.

Most of the estate events are incredibly tedious. I really don't care about the options other than avoiding any one faction getting above 80 influence, and ofc rather not lose MP...

I find that the tediousness comes from having to read a mini-novel and parsing the implications of each option. It really feels like it gets in the way of the game I'm trying to play.

If the events could have some graphical representation of the estates, like there are birds for dip and paper for adm, it'd go a long way. If you also made the influence modifier red when accepting would take you over the disaster treshold it'd be even better.

But maybe an even simpler solution is to rework esates entirely...

They did.....

Estates have to get to 100 influence before a disaster now and have no minimum %of land.

feller
Jul 5, 2006


Jean Pony posted:

We all know warriors don't read books, and this would-be conquerer would like to read less estate events as well.

Most of the estate events are incredibly tedious. I really don't care about the options other than avoiding any one faction getting above 80 influence, and ofc rather not lose MP...

I find that the tediousness comes from having to read a mini-novel and parsing the implications of each option. It really feels like it gets in the way of the game I'm trying to play.

If the events could have some graphical representation of the estates, like there are birds for dip and paper for adm, it'd go a long way. If you also made the influence modifier red when accepting would take you over the disaster treshold it'd be even better.

But maybe an even simpler solution is to rework esates entirely...

Ok I will do this by tomorrow. Stay on the lookout and no need to thank me.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

Jean Pony posted:

We all know warriors don't read books, and this would-be conquerer would like to read less estate events as well.

Most of the estate events are incredibly tedious. I really don't care about the options other than avoiding any one faction getting above 80 influence, and ofc rather not lose MP...

I find that the tediousness comes from having to read a mini-novel and parsing the implications of each option. It really feels like it gets in the way of the game I'm trying to play.

Why do you have to read the "mini-novel", is someone holding a gun to your head? Just ignore the flavor text. Reading the tooltips and deciding which is better shouldn't take that long.

Tahirovic
Feb 25, 2009
Fun Shoe
I've not read a single one of those, I look at the options and check who I'd prefer to piss off without the other getting disaster level influence.

Redeye Flight
Mar 26, 2010

God, I'm so tired. What the hell did I post last night?
I love the flavor, and I do try to read every event at least once, but once you've read them at least once you can certainly get away with just looking at the salient data.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

New mission trees:

Vijayanagar
Bahmanis
Delhi
Orissa
Bengal
Mughals
Mewar
Hindustan
Gujarat
Malwa
Taungu
Bharat
Tibet (free)
North Indians (free)
South Indians (free)
Muscovy (Third Rome)
Novgorod (Third Rome)
Russia (Third Rome)
Russian Minors (Third Rome)

Mewar and Malwa would be a good starting pair. They start next door to each other and are both regional powers.

Tahirovic
Feb 25, 2009
Fun Shoe
Timurids -> Mughals is probably cool.

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


Jean Pony posted:

We all know warriors don't read books, and this would-be conquerer would like to read less estate events as well.

Most of the estate events are incredibly tedious. I really don't care about the options other than avoiding any one faction getting above 80 influence, and ofc rather not lose MP...

I find that the tediousness comes from having to read a mini-novel and parsing the implications of each option. It really feels like it gets in the way of the game I'm trying to play.

If the events could have some graphical representation of the estates, like there are birds for dip and paper for adm, it'd go a long way. If you also made the influence modifier red when accepting would take you over the disaster treshold it'd be even better.

But maybe an even simpler solution is to rework esates entirely...

source your quotes

StealthArcher
Jan 10, 2010




I'm going to stick that verbatim in one of my mod's events, it needs to live on.


As a -1 Stab piece, but hey, nothing changes.

AnoHito
May 8, 2014

StealthArcher posted:

I'm going to stick that verbatim in one of my mod's events, it needs to live on.


As a -1 Stab piece, but hey, nothing changes.

Make another option that's a super convoluted bunch of estate loyalty/influence/province control modifiers.

StealthArcher
Jan 10, 2010




AnoHito posted:

Make another option that's a super convoluted bunch of estate loyalty/influence/province control modifiers.

Fair, given I'll be reworking estates as is.

Jean Pony
Nov 27, 2007


Staltran posted:

Why do you have to read the "mini-novel", is someone holding a gun to your head? Just ignore the flavor text. Reading the tooltips and deciding which is better shouldn't take that long.

I didn't have the flavor text in mind when i wrote "mini-novel", I meant the tool tip itself, poor explanation on my part.

I think the tooltips could do a better job of offering information at a glance. I don't mind choosing, but I'd like to make a desicion in 5 secs instead of 25 or what ever.

I think what I mean is better represented in pictures:



RabidWeasel
Aug 4, 2007

Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!
Not sure when it released but Dharma seems to be out now.

E:

Actually no, the patch is out but I don't seem to be able to get the DLC to activate so maybe it's still not officially released?

siggy2021
Mar 8, 2010
They confirmed on stream Dharma will be live at the turn of the hour. They also said they have some big thing later in the afternoon.

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

So, every time a patch adds new provinces I like to make these maps of province density, to try and get a feel for how it's changed.

1.25:



1.26:



They've outdone themselves.

Now for China. :unsmigghh:

TorakFade
Oct 3, 2006

I strongly disapprove


Well now that the DLC is out, I want to try out the Mughals.

How do I Mughals?

MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

Oozing machismo

TorakFade posted:

Well now that the DLC is out, I want to try out the Mughals.

How do I Mughals?

Step 1: Timurid

Step 2: Timurid harder.

Step 3: Mughal.


Basically you spend the first ~10 years or so frantically trying to annex your stupid vassals and trying to keep everything from blowing apart and once you've gotten things under control you start eating India so you can form Mughals.

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

TorakFade posted:

Well now that the DLC is out, I want to try out the Mughals.

How do I Mughals?

Before Dharma, the basic outline was: start Timurids, annex Transoxiana fast, follow it up with Afghanistan and Fars, attack Ajam and eat all of it (you have cores there so this is easy as long as you can beat them). This bit is the hard part, if Shah Rukh dies early it can be quite a scramble to get your vassals under control which is why Transoxiana (the biggest) should be eaten first. If you can do that you are almost always big and stable enough to take on Delhi, even if they have decent allies you can bleed them to death in the Afghan mountains. Eat them, then take on Jaunpur and seize any remaining provinces you need.

In the new version, who knows! The start should be pretty similar since you’re mostly in Persia/Central Asia and not the Indian subcontinent, so give it a shot and see if it works.

skasion fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Sep 6, 2018

RabidWeasel
Aug 4, 2007

Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!
How 2 Timurid: Declare on Ajam on 11th Nov, if your starting monarch dies in the first 2 years restart. Press all the buttons to make your vassals like you. Annex vassals ASAP and then enjoy being so overpowered that even the Ottomans blush.

I'm not even looking at the new Mughal missions because I'm almost entirely sure that they're going to be so overpowered that it will make me cry

E:

I'm a liar and they effectively get 40% core cost reduction from their government bonuses and ideas combined, which means they hit 65% reduction on all of their permaclaims without even needing Admin ideas. Also they get lots of free +states modifiers from their reforms.

Also the Mughal NIs got boosted slightly, the crap ideas are now -1RR and +1 free military policy instead of whatever garbage it was before.

RabidWeasel fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Sep 6, 2018

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Me loading up new EU4 DLC:

TorakFade
Oct 3, 2006

I strongly disapprove


Shah Rukh died in 1448, probably not timuriding hard enough :v: how long does the guy live usually? 1454 seems so far away, and I am scared of all my vassals with their huge liberty desire..

RabidWeasel
Aug 4, 2007

Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!
Sirhind's ruler is probably the best single ruler in the entire game at game start due to being 4/5/6 with fixed traits of strict, conqueror, industrious (5% discipline, -5 separatism, +10% goods produced). A shame he isn't a bit younger.

Jean Pony
Nov 27, 2007


1.26 Delhi is the true successor to EU3 Byzantium: 20 non-owned cores at game start

StealthArcher
Jan 10, 2010




Jean Pony posted:

I didn't have the flavor text in mind when i wrote "mini-novel", I meant the tool tip itself, poor explanation on my part.

I think the tooltips could do a better job of offering information at a glance. I don't mind choosing, but I'd like to make a desicion in 5 secs instead of 25 or what ever.

I think what I mean is better represented in pictures:





I made an attempt:



Really comes down to the fact that, unless I'm missing something, writing a variable is necessary to add the two, and an event option can't run the variable commands, so you'd need to write all of them as the event fires for the event to display it properly, but all the estate events are a single localisation line for each of losing/gaining influence/loyalty, so matching them up is not a thing we can realistically do. Also thus while inserting an image is possible, there's no good way to do it.


I'm still putting the quote in my mod.

StealthArcher fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Sep 6, 2018

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Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

OK, I definitely don't like the +25% autonomy for revoking an estate from a province. It makes giving provinces to estates kind of pointless.

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