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OctoberCountry posted:Exactly, the First Order blow up that city planet that's the seat of government for the Republic with their super death star. You're thinking of Hosnian Prime. Coruscant isn't the capital of the New Republic, at least not at that point. (The New Republic moved the capital every few years.)
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is Hosnian Prime the new seat of the government? I thought the point was Starkiller Base blew up the Senate and their fleets
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grieving for Gandalf posted:is Hosnian Prime the new seat of the government? I thought the point was Starkiller Base blew up the Senate and their fleets Correct. Hosnian Prime was the current capital of the New Republic (hence why the NR fleet was stationed there)
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Sep 3, 2018 17:30
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jivjov posted:You're thinking of Hosnian Prime. Coruscant isn't the capital of the New Republic, at least not at that point. (The New Republic moved the capital every few years.) So it's an Edo/Tokyo situation?
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Sep 3, 2018 17:31
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Tatooine is not just Jakku, it is also Ach-To
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Sep 3, 2018 17:31
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"Hosnian Prime (Not Coruscant)" is a popular hit single in the Star Wars galaxy.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:So it's an Edo/Tokyo situation? The specific reasoning was to keep any one planet from being too "central" to the New Republic. They didn't want a situation like Coruscant, where it was the most important simply by virtue of the entire government apparatus being there.
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Sep 3, 2018 17:34
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God forbid the planet with the most people have the most power in a supposed democracy
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Sep 3, 2018 17:36
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I don't think population density was a specific concern.
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Sep 3, 2018 17:39
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So every few years they build the infrastructure to support a galactic government—something that seems to require a planet-sized city—and then abandon it and start the process all over again on a different planet. Guess that explains why nobody has any resources to spare for the Resistance.
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Sep 3, 2018 17:40
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jivjov posted:You're thinking of Hosnian Prime. Coruscant isn't the capital of the New Republic, at least not at that point. (The New Republic moved the capital every few years.) I guess don't remember General Hugs mentioning that in his speech.
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Sep 3, 2018 17:41
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Sir Kodiak posted:So every few years they build the infrastructure to support a galactic government—something that seems to require a planet-sized city—and then abandon it and start the process all over again on a different planet. An ecunopolis isn't a requirement. The first capital was Chandrila
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Sep 3, 2018 17:42
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OctoberCountry posted:I guess don't remember General Hugs mentioning that in his speech. Hux just says they're blowing up the capital, but it's specifically called out later that it was the Hosnian system that was destroyed.
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Sep 3, 2018 17:43
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Actually, it was Corusant
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Sep 3, 2018 17:47
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multijoe posted:Actually, it was Corusant No it wasn't. It's specifically the Hosnian system that gets destroyed. Not Coruscant.
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Sep 3, 2018 17:49
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Yes it was
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Sep 3, 2018 17:50
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It doesn't really matter because most people will know from the previous movies that Coruscant was the capital planet and they'll just assume it was the one the First Order blew up with their Death Star anyway. They never say the planet is called "Hosnian" to my recollection - they talk about "the Hosnian system" which could quite easily be the solar system that Coruscant is in if you aren't too bothered about tie-in novels (and honestly, why should you be?).
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Sep 3, 2018 17:51
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multijoe posted:Yes it was Cite your source then. Every canonical source I've found says it's Hosnian Prime (and the rest of the system) not Coruscant.
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Sep 3, 2018 17:51
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Wheat Loaf posted:It doesn't really matter because most people will know from the previous movies that Coruscant was the capital planet and they'll just assume it was the one the First Order blew up with their Death Star anyway. So? A pair of faulty assumptions doesn't suddenly make the facts change. Starkiller Base destroyed the Hosnian System. If people are too bad at watching movies to catch EXPLICIT DIALOG that establishes this, that's not the movie's fault
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Sep 3, 2018 17:52
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jivjov posted:Cite your source then. Every canonical source I've found says it's Hosnian Prime (and the rest of the system) not Coruscant. I see the words you're typing but they don't make any sense Deathstar Killer blew up Corusant
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Sep 3, 2018 17:54
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multijoe posted:I see the words you're typing but they don't make any sense When? The only time we ever see Starkiller fire, it destroyed the Hosnian system. When did it blow up Coruscant?
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Sep 3, 2018 17:57
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It was right there in the movie, you must have been looking away the 86 times you watched it
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Sep 3, 2018 17:58
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jivjov posted:That map is a canonical source. It is just as relevant to the films as the films themselves Not only does the map not appear in the movies, but it actually contradicts maps we DO see in the movies, such as the holographic maps projected in the prequel and sequel trilogies. You have never answered this point.
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Sep 3, 2018 17:58
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Wait Coruscant's not in the Hosnian system?
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Ferrinus posted:Not only does the map not appear in the movies, but it actually contradicts maps we DO see in the movies, such as the holographic maps projected in the prequel and sequel trilogies. You have never answered this point. My dude, there can be multiple maps of the same galaxy.
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Sep 3, 2018 18:00
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OctoberCountry posted:Wait Coruscant's not in the Hosnian system? Nope. Coruscant is in the Coruscant system
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Sep 3, 2018 18:01
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So it's just another case of a place having multiple names?
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:So it's just another case of a place having multiple names? They are separate planets.
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Sep 3, 2018 18:02
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jivjov posted:My dude, there can be multiple maps of the same galaxy. But the one you like doesn’t resemble any of the ones we see in the movies. SMG made a detailed post about this pages ago and you were unable to respond to it coherently. Perhaps you’d like to show us an actual existing correspondence between your map and the ones we see in the folms?
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Sep 3, 2018 18:03
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Ferrinus posted:But the one you like doesn’t resemble any of the ones we see in the movies. SMG made a detailed post about this pages ago and you were unable to respond to it coherently. I don't think the ones we see in the films have nice labels; that's why I've been sticking with the one that does.
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Sep 3, 2018 18:04
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jivjov posted:So? A pair of faulty assumptions doesn't suddenly make the facts change. Starkiller Base destroyed the Hosnian System. If people are too bad at watching movies to catch EXPLICIT DIALOG that establishes this, that's not the movie's fault A solar system and a planet are two different things - one could easily be forgiven for drawing conclusions.
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Sep 3, 2018 18:17
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Wheat Loaf posted:A solar system and a planet are two different things - one could easily be forgiven for drawing conclusions. Good thing there's definitive sources that can clear up erroneous conclusions
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Sep 3, 2018 18:19
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jivjov posted:Good thing there's definitive sources that can clear up erroneous conclusions People shouldn't be expected to seek them out and more to the point shouldn't be compelled to pay for some tie-in book just so they can understand something that happens in a movie they've already paid for.
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Wheat Loaf posted:People shouldn't be expected to seek them out and more to the point shouldn't be compelled to pay for some tie-in book just so they can understand something that happens in a movie they've already paid for. That map was not in a book, it was posted, free of charge, on the Star Wars website. And it doesn't even require the map. Just LISTEN TO THE WORDS BEING SAID IN THE MOVIE, and you'll already know that it was the Hosnian System that was destroyed.
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jivjov posted:I don't think the ones we see in the films have nice labels; that's why I've been sticking with the one that does. Yeah but characters talk about what the various maps show and where places on them are. For instance we can use the prequels to compare Coruscant’s position with Kamino’s and the galactic core’s. There’s no clear resemblance between your map and the galaxy maps in the ST. This is beside the point of the amusing error with the red line that SMG found: 
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jivjov posted:That map was not in a book, it was posted, free of charge, on the Star Wars website. THE Star Wars website? Singular?
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RBA Starblade posted:THE Star Wars website? Singular? The official one. https://www.starwars.com
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Ferrinus posted:This is beside the point of the amusing error with the red line that SMG found: The red line 'mistake' is actually easy to explain and maybe even adds a little I dunno characterisation or whatever. Since Coruscant had been blown up and their finances hugely depleted they had simply asked the nav computer (an eternally trapped sentient being) to recalculate the route avoiding toll routes.
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It is really funny Jivjov will never be able to explain the inconsistency of an authentic in-universe Star Wars galaxy map and will eternally have to refer people to some tat he found on a website instead
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