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joat mon posted:Defleshed. That's right. He hasn't posted since the beginning of 2015.
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Tokelau All Star posted:Speaking of old, someone in the "Eras of SA" thread in GBS was wondering if there were any Hot Dog Days or Dr Video Games still around. Pretty sure you're the only one. Nah there are at least two others who post. One is a doctor and I think there's another lawyer.
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Nah there are at least two others who post. One is a doctor and I think there's another lawyer. Yeah, i see another hot dog day somewhere, maybe AI or the bike thread? It is deeply confusing.
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ActusRhesus posted:In before someone whines about trigger warnings and possible arachnophobics There's no way anyone making this post is under age 50.
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Vox Nihili posted:There's no way anyone making this post is under age 50. Keep up your ageist bullshit and I’m going to have to demand a safe space. Unrelated can now beat all beat sabres songs on hard with a minimum score of C. But angel voices makes me want to die.
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ActusRhesus posted:Keep up your ageist bullshit and I’m going to have to demand a safe space. Ironically, you need to admit to being 40+ to qualify for protection.
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Vox Nihili posted:Ironically, you need to admit to being 40+ to qualify for protection. That is discriminatory. loving boomers. And their whiny sellout lessers, gen x.
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Continued legal funnies!~ (I promise, last ones, just wanted to show how other goons are reckoning with it)Selachian posted:Pros and Cons SuperKlaus posted:Yeah this is the last straw. I'm moving P&C to my scroll-past list. I evidently gave the author far too much credit when I said I felt he had a real understanding of the court system. I was getting all spun up to deliver a lecture to no one in particular about how and why it works the way it does but you know what this deepening quagmire of a right-wing rant of a strip isn't worth it. It takes too much energy to correct even people with decent politics who get their information from fuckin' Law and Order or some poo poo, and it isn't like Meehan is reading this thread. Probably. NRVNQSR posted:Obviously there's a false dichotomy in the strip; a defense attorney prioritizing his client isn't in opposition to justice, it's an important part of it. But if we give the author some completely unearned benefit of the doubt, isn't it reasonable that a lawyer might have conscience issues from successfully defending someone they know to be both guilty and dangerous? (truthfully I really dislike the reasonable doubt chart that I saw getting bandied around in DnD, it's one of those floating spectrum bound trick ones)
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gvibes posted:Secured transactions was my favorite law school class (ok, second favorite) I know the conversation has moved on to marveling at the olds, but: You're a monster.
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Tax, corporate finance, and employment discrimination were my highest three law school grades.
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Im a dirtbag criminal lawyer and I love Pros and Cons but what the gently caress do I know.
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*reads comic. Blinks* Wow. Just... wow. I mean. It’s not like making sure the constitutional right to a fair trial is protected is part of justice or anything...
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ActusRhesus posted:*reads comic. Blinks* I love it when you talk constitutionally at me  also FTFY
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Phil Moscowitz posted:The poor man’s Lionel Hutz Miguel Sanchez of Sanchez & Van Phoc?
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If you missed out on your chance to see a goon die because of goon doctor advice, in the stupid/small questions thread in A/T a goon is literally pissing blood and leaves behind a fruit punch colored toilet and is unsure whether or not to see a doctor or wait until tuesday because american healthcare is horrific.
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Mr. Nice! posted:If you missed out on your chance to see a goon die because of goon doctor advice, in the stupid/small questions thread in A/T a goon is literally pissing blood and leaves behind a fruit punch colored toilet and is unsure whether or not to see a doctor or wait until tuesday because american healthcare is horrific. Happened to me once, kidney stone was jostling around. Convinced myself it was dehydration from drinking and had a ton of water which diluted it, but then the pain kicked in that night and I got to enjoy the ER. 5k deductibles are no joke I'm actually on a super cheap plan where everything but the ER is effectively. Er is 500 a visit though. Plus, My Wife is getting over diverticulitis and ended up just going to speciality doctor that doesn't take insurance and paid in cash because he was the only person who could see her within a weeks time that wasn't the ER, which would have just referred to her to doctors with no availability anyways The health system is horrible and even with an amazing plan its basically unusable for anyone who works or has kids due to the shortage of doctors
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Mr. Nice! posted:If you missed out on your chance to see a goon die because of goon doctor advice, in the stupid/small questions thread in A/T a goon is literally pissing blood and leaves behind a fruit punch colored toilet and is unsure whether or not to see a doctor or wait until tuesday because american healthcare is horrific. Good news is there’s two outcomes. One, it’s really really painful for a day or two but he recovers completely. Two, whatever’s going on gives him kidney failure and he needs dialysis so he gets on Medicare.
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Mr. Nice! posted:If you missed out on your chance to see a goon die because of goon doctor advice, in the stupid/small questions thread in A/T a goon is literally pissing blood and leaves behind a fruit punch colored toilet and is unsure whether or not to see a doctor or wait until tuesday because american healthcare is horrific. Jesus. If I pissed literally any amount of blood at all, I'd be on the phone with Kaiser before the stream even stopped. Thank god I work for the government and everything cost me $10 or less.
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Finally, a good day in court  "My post from olden times posted:Christ. Just got done with a police interview with a client who is young, stupid (oh, so stupid) and generally let down by the system. Interestingly the most serious charge is resisting arrest, which over here nearly always translates to "violence against a servant of the state", which carries a three year max, doubled due to the rule of concurrence (multiple counts don't get added naturally, there's a limit there). Naturally, he's already talked to the police long before the parents thought to come to me, and it's all over but for the crying. The actual thing he's done is more like a series of not very serious misdemeanors, but he panicked when they picked him up and now he's looking at hard time, even if there was no actual damage done (the lower bar of violence against state servant is like seriously, spitting towards and missing, it's insane). They put him on trial for two counts of violence against a servant of the state and a whole loving slew of minor charges, looking at a six year max. Acquitted. For the serious charges, anyway. No prison time. I finally did my job for once. It is I, I am the dirtbag criminal lawyer in the OP. Nice piece of fish fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Sep 3, 2018 |
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Nice piece of fish posted:Finally, a good day in court Congratulations!
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Nice piece of fish posted:Finally, a good day in court If he had no priors and wasn’t in the “we know you’re a shooter and just can’t prove it to a jury” camp, our jurisdiction would have given him a diversionary program. Stay out of trouble and it all goes away.
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joat mon posted:Congratulations! That too.
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ActusRhesus posted:If he had no priors and wasn’t in the “we know you’re a shooter and just can’t prove it to a jury” camp, our jurisdiction would have given him a diversionary program. Stay out of trouble and it all goes away. Last month I blind pled a guy like that. He got 10 years in prison.
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joat mon posted:Last month I blind pled a guy like that. He got 10 years in prison. Woof
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joat mon posted:Congratulations! Thanks, I mean it too. This is one of those rare ones where it more or less worked out right by my estimation, though I would have sworn he was screwed because ActusRhesus posted:If he had no priors and wasn’t in the “we know you’re a shooter and just can’t prove it to a jury” camp, our jurisdiction would have given him a diversionary program. Stay out of trouble and it all goes away. Priors, confession and a last minute video off a bodycam just to twist the knife. Like I said, dumb kid who confessed on pretty much all counts before I was even called. So yeah, I get to be satisfied with this one I think.
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joat mon posted:Last month I blind pled a guy like that. He got 10 years in prison. Wow. That’s.... incredibly stupid. (The result. Not that you tried to blind plea). Here, It’s really rare to do time for just a misdemeanor. Unless “we’ll take off the felony but you’re doing time” is part of the deal. Especially if they are younger. We try to give AR or diversionary programs as often as possible.
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Nice piece of fish posted:Finally, a good day in court Sweeeet
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mastershakeman posted:How on Earth did you win that Criminal law is my specialty, prosecutor ignored the question of subjective guilt which was a complicated issue for the biggest three counts and the prosecutor made a mistake I'm betting several prosecutors itt is gonna recognize instantly: He showed a tape of a bad arrest to a criminal court that is not used to seeing what happens when the police violently arrests a person. It's fine and clinical if the police witness is explaining it, how it happened and why. It's not so fine looking at a situation the lay judges have never experienced or seen, and they were probably shocked at the visceralness and blood and such. It really was a nasty arrest and it probably lost the prosecution all sympathy. That said, I didn't "win" per se, he got community service on some minor charges he confessed to and he gets a chance to stay out of the system and stay away from his bad environment (which he's already escaped at this point) so I think there's a real chance he'll be part of the non-recidivist statistic. Which is what's best for everyone all things considered. So close enough to a win in my book. Would never have expected my strategy to work though. Not in a million years. ActusRhesus posted:Wow. That’s.... incredibly stupid. (The result. Not that you tried to blind plea). Here, It’s really rare to do time for just a misdemeanor. Unless “we’ll take off the felony but you’re doing time” is part of the deal. Especially if they are younger. We try to give AR or diversionary programs as often as possible. Smart policy. A little leniency early on gets you a good chance to reform someone. For many the scare is enough. Glad to know there are parts of the US where the system makes some sense.
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A lot of the principles of practice from US seem and sound familiar to me, but the sentencing tariffs sound so bizarre and disproportionate. Blow someone away with a shotgun in Canada and you (maybe) get 10 years. Then I hear about other publicized cases where relatively serious offences end up with pretty light sentences. Difficult to reconcile, best I can figure is that the media doesnt do a good job / cherry picks sentences, and also that the states really loving comes down on offenders
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terrorist ambulance posted:A lot of the principles of practice from US seem and sound familiar to me, but the sentencing tariffs sound so bizarre and disproportionate. I'd be interested in the take from the distinguished legal minds in the thread. I presume some of it would be down to the fact that most justice is delivered at the state level or lower and that leading to inconsistent outcomes. Throw in elected judges in some places for added fun and games. Sentencing guidelines and tariffs were set up to make things more consistent in a pretty decentralised system.
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Elected judges always run on the 'tough on crime' slate, none of them run on the 'sensible on crime' one. Even appointed judges will have wide variation - we have 8 appointed lower court judges here, and a conviction on a medium level felony will have a massive sentencing disparity. We did a study on the sentences handed down for vehicular homicide once, and the results were so all over the map it was insane, even with similar circumstances. The US is also much more into the Retribution angle of sentencing. There's a weird bloodlust for punishing criminals you don't see in other jurisdictions. Victims get given a megaphone and their own newspaper columns, and anything less than a maximum sentence is a slap in their faces, and AG/prosecutors will get publicly censured for it. So you have the public, the judges, and the prosecution all on board for maximum punishment. The only mitigating factors are a prosecutor who is willing to take some heat to do the right thing, or who is just overworked and wants to get rid of cases that won't get him pilloried. Defense attorneys do what they can, but quite often are at the mercy of a society where 'rights of the accused' are no longer a big deal. Sentencing guidelines were supposed to be to create predictable, unified sentences, but can be used to target certain parts of society.
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terrorist ambulance posted:A lot of the principles of practice from US seem and sound familiar to me, but the sentencing tariffs sound so bizarre and disproportionate. How's this for arbitrary? In Texas, murder is a first degree felony. First degree felonies have a range of punishment of 5 years to life in prison and a fine not to exceed $10,000.00. Other first degree felonies include: -possessing, obtaining, transferring, or suing 50 or more pieces of someone else's identifying information. -possessing 200 grams of THC, including any adulterants and diluents. So if you have a little over 7 ounces of anything that contains THC (edit: with the exception of marijuana) it's a first degree felony. -Causing a serious bodily injury to a disabled person, senior citizen or child. Also, if you have two or more prior prison trips then your range of punishment on any third degree felony or higher is 25 years to life in prison. So if you possess (not sell, just possess) 1.01 grams of meth and have been prison twice you're looking at 25-life. Because the range of punishment is so huge if the DA/judge/jury doesn't like someone you can easily have a situation where a guy convicted for murder receives a much lighter sentence than someone on a nonviolent drug charge.
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GamingHyena posted:-possessing 200 grams of THC, including any adulterants and diluents. So if you have a little over 7 ounces of anything that contains THC (edit: with the exception of marijuana) it's a first degree felony. So like a pipe that weighs 10 oz with resin on it is a felony?
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Phil Moscowitz posted:So like a pipe that weighs 10 oz with resin on it is a felony? No, but if you have a brownie that weighs 7 oz with only 10 mg of THC then the law considers it as if you had 7 oz of pure THC. This has lead to hilarious results when someone tries to flush 1g of meth down the toilet and the police stop him, pump out the bowl, and charge him with a gallon of meth.
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Munin posted:I'd be interested in the take from the distinguished legal minds in the thread. I presume some of it would be down to the fact that most justice is delivered at the state level or lower and that leading to inconsistent outcomes. Throw in elected judges in some places for added fun and games. Sentencing guidelines and tariffs were set up to make things more consistent in a pretty decentralised system. I had a whole long  typed out but I'm just going to recommend you Google "SB91 Alaska." You can learn about the utter disaster of removing all punishment for all crimes lower than home invasion burg has been for us.
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GamingHyena posted:No, but if you have a brownie that weighs 7 oz with only 10 mg of THC then the law considers it as if you had 7 oz of pure THC. That's kindof like crack charges/sentencing vs powder cocaine. For those that don't know, crack is made from powder by cooking it with baking soda or something to make it into smokeable rocks. 1g of crack by definition has less cocaine in it than 1g of powder cocaine. Crack, though, almost always carries with it a significantly harsher sentence.
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BigHead posted:I had a whole long I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. It's interesting that this has gotten zero media press even though it's a huge deal
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