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PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

davebo posted:

:same:
Wasn't a Ford of course.

Although they do get partial credit for producing one of the three vehicles I considered, so it's not all bad. They got really drat close.

What's odd about the Golf R is that people complement it whether they're car people or not. It's just a wee hatchback, but the people who know what it is think it's awesome, and the people who don't know what it is think it's cute.

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Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


hopefully soon we'll find out what those front splined GT350 hubs are for.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

KakerMix posted:

Let's hold this picture and see what the Mustang CUV looks like.



:smith:

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.
Complete with rattly diesel and from the factory rust (to be fair they'd largely sorted the latter by the time that one was built but the reputational damage had already been done)

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
<img alt="" border="0" src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-auron.jpg"/><br/>Drunken Robot Rage

joe944 posted:

I've seen quite a few Mustangs with the A10 having issues on forums and youtube videos and whatnot. Doesn't seem to be as prominent as their engines blowing up though.

The 10L90 is supposed to hold more power and has different tuning of course. I'm sure most of the components are the same but there has to be some differences.

The only "issues" I've heard of is some minor gear hunting when accelerating slowly and some low speed whining. There really hasn't been any reliability issues that's I've heard of; obviously there are probably a few outliers. There's quite a few issues with the MT-82 though, mainly aluminum shift forks.

The 10L90 is EXACTLY the same as the 10R80. There are no differences internally; only tuning.

opengl
Sep 16, 2010

Auron posted:

The only "issues" I've heard of is some minor gear hunting when accelerating slowly and some low speed whining. There really hasn't been any reliability issues that's I've heard of; obviously there are probably a few outliers. There's quite a few issues with the MT-82 though, mainly aluminum shift forks.

The 10L90 is EXACTLY the same as the 10R80. There are no differences internally; only tuning.

Pretty sure most of the MT-82 complaints are people no lift shifting and generally beating the poo poo out of them. Mine's been fine, maybe a little clunky sometimes but nothing I'd complain about.

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
<img alt="" border="0" src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-auron.jpg"/><br/>Drunken Robot Rage

opengl128 posted:

Pretty sure most of the MT-82 complaints are people no lift shifting and generally beating the poo poo out of them. Mine's been fine, maybe a little clunky sometimes but nothing I'd complain about.

Yeah, for daily driving and most street activities, its halfway decent but a bit clunky. Putting any sort of power to it, or consistent drag racing, its in T5/T45 territories of being somewhat of a POS.

BloodBag
Sep 20, 2008

WITNESS ME!



Auron posted:

Yeah, for daily driving and most street activities, its halfway decent but a bit clunky. Putting any sort of power to it, or consistent drag racing, its in T5/T45 territories of being somewhat of a POS.

Why would you drag race a manual anyway?

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

BloodBag posted:

Why would you drag race a manual anyway?

Why would you not?

Elmnt80
Dec 30, 2012


An auto is more consistent for shifting, no missed shifts, etc. There are some drat fast stick shifts though, the red demon is drat close to the 6's and stick shift GMs are breaking into the 7s (Leroy is a corvette, prove me wrong).

Edit: In case someone thinks the red demon is refering to a challenger trim, its not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC_jJK09WHY

Elmnt80 fucked around with this message at 08:36 on Sep 5, 2018

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


Drag race all cars.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
We've reached the point that a good automatic transmission is unquestionably better for racing, but unless you're going to be doing that with your car and you really give a poo poo about tenths of seconds, manuals are still more fun to drive.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

PT6A posted:

We've reached the point that a good automatic transmission is unquestionably better for racing, but unless you're going to be doing that with your car and you really give a poo poo about tenths of seconds, manuals are still more fun to drive.

And we've also apparently reached the point where making a manual transmission available for a high-end low-production variant of a car with a relatively high manual take rate isn't worth it: http://speedtwitch.com/2020-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-will-not-have-a-manual-transmission-option/

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Cocoa Crispies posted:

And we've also apparently reached the point where making a manual transmission available for a high-end low-production variant of a car with a relatively high manual take rate isn't worth it: http://speedtwitch.com/2020-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-will-not-have-a-manual-transmission-option/

That's really quite an edge case there. Making a manual available on a car with as much power as that would essentially mean crafting a bespoke transmission for that application and that application alone, along with the inevitable mechanical gremlins that would come from designing and building an extremely low-production transmission.

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

Cocoa Crispies posted:

And we've also apparently reached the point where making a manual transmission available for a high-end low-production variant of a car with a relatively high manual take rate isn't worth it: http://speedtwitch.com/2020-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-will-not-have-a-manual-transmission-option/

Ford just killed all car production because they have a typical CEO that's destroying any long-term security and betting it all on what makes money now. The take on a relatively low production car wouldn't cost poo poo, this is def Ford being Ford in the worst way. I guess Chevy offers a manual with that much power so??

Also that article you linked immediately blames millennials unironically for the lack of a manual :psyduck:
The author of this thing has got to be the most Eastwood crusty Boomer the world's ever seen.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


PT6A posted:

manuals are still more fun to drive.

My manual car is getting work done and has been off the road for a few months.

My automatic car is faster and fully working.

I miss shifting gears. A lot. To the point where I've sat in the manual while it's on jack stands and just shifted the gears a bit. :cry:

thechalkoutline
Jul 8, 2006



Olympic Mathlete posted:

My manual car is getting work done and has been off the road for a few months.

My automatic car is faster and fully working.

I miss shifting gears. A lot. To the point where I've sat in the manual while it's on jack stands and just shifted the gears a bit. :cry:

Yeah I feel this as another manual-only guy that is forced to drive the SO's auto Fit. I like that manual transmissions constantly remind you How Stuff Works and you trade effort for control, something about being a master of my fate and linear engagement

Which is also related to the fact that I love that money shifting is always a real possibility, it's like I'm mainlining a Hardcore character from Diablo

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

As someone that learned to drive a manual at age 30 and actively tracks in a manual. I will say that and auto is better for commuting, would be better at the track, and the only time I feel like I would miss a manual is cruising some twisties. Which is something I do maybe once or twice a year. Though I will say some well executed heel toe downshifts on track are fun and satisfying as gently caress.

CornHolio
May 20, 2001

Toilet Rascal

KidDynamite posted:

As someone that learned to drive a manual at age 30 and actively tracks in a manual. I will say that and auto is better for commuting, would be better at the track, and the only time I feel like I would miss a manual is cruising some twisties. Which is something I do maybe once or twice a year. Though I will say some well executed heel toe downshifts on track are fun and satisfying as gently caress.

Some drivers enjoy different things than others, story at eleven!

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
I need something to keep me moderately engaged while commuting, and driving fast enough that I would feel that alone would be engaging would be both illegal and dangerous, so shifting it is.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

KakerMix posted:

Also that article you linked immediately blames millennials unironically for the lack of a manual :psyduck:
The author of this thing has got to be the most Eastwood crusty Boomer the world's ever seen.

Yeah, as if anyone but boomers gets enough choice in what they drive to choose the transmission.

davebo
Nov 15, 2006

Parallel lines do meet, but they do it incognito
College Slice
Toyota is doing a proper Corolla wagon with an available 180hp in hybrid form. Please please let this usher in an era of global hybrid wagons.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


With the beltlines and proprotions, everything's turning back into a minivan.

Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

Well I'll be, that actually looks halfway decent for an economy car.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Here's something i've randomly started noticing that kind bugs me. Some cars door handles are dumb. Like the dodge charger, they don't interact with the body line, and are at different heights despite both being level to the ground.



It's like they finished designing the car, and forgot to put door handles on, so just started slapping random parts bin ones on all willy nilly.

Tekne
Feb 15, 2012

It's-a me, motherfucker

Cocoa Crispies posted:

And we've also apparently reached the point where making a manual transmission available for a high-end low-production variant of a car with a relatively high manual take rate isn't worth it: http://speedtwitch.com/2020-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-will-not-have-a-manual-transmission-option/
The Viper/Hellcat transmission would work just fine, no idea if it'd fit with the Mustang's packaging or if Ford has access to it.

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
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Olympic Mathlete posted:

Drag race all cars.

I like your style

0toShifty
Aug 21, 2005
0 to Stiffy?
On the 1999 Charger concept car, the door handles are aligned with that body line:

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


Powershift posted:

Here's something i've randomly started noticing that kind bugs me. Some cars door handles are dumb. Like the dodge charger, they don't interact with the body line, and are at different heights despite both being level to the ground.



It's like they finished designing the car, and forgot to put door handles on, so just started slapping random parts bin ones on all willy nilly.

Oh dude, now that you've seen lines not interacting just close your eyes, it's a loving epidemic and one of my pet hates about car design. Modern cars are suuuuuuuuuper bad about design coherency, far more than older ones and it drives me insane.

Like a car will have a bodyline from front to back sweeping up as it gets to the back of the car. This line mayyyyy interact with the front lights but when it gets to the back the rear lights don't interact. Or it'll flow over the front arches, fade most of the way up the body and then there'll be another, random line coming from gently caress knows where looking way out of place.

Auron posted:

I like your style

:hfive:

Olympic Mathlete fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Sep 5, 2018

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



davebo posted:

Toyota is doing a proper Corolla wagon with an available 180hp in hybrid form. Please please let this usher in an era of global hybrid wagons.

Global? It says in the article it’s likely Euro only.

davebo
Nov 15, 2006

Parallel lines do meet, but they do it incognito
College Slice

big crush on Chad OMG posted:

Global? It says in the article it’s likely Euro only.

Hence my "please please" to the car gods.

1337JiveTurkey
Feb 17, 2005

Powershift posted:

It's like they finished designing the car, and forgot to put door handles on, so just started slapping random parts bin ones on all willy nilly.

That’s how it works when I play Automation. (Also if people in this thread haven’t tried it you should)

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


1337JiveTurkey posted:

That’s how it works when I play Automation. (Also if people in this thread haven’t tried it you should)

My 12 year old nephew spent like 10 minutes the other day making sure his door handles lined up before he would move on. He also put stacks coming out of the roof which was doooooooope

Also.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/2019-acura-ilx-update-photos-info



Looks okay compared to other gaping maw luxocompacts. I'll definitely look into getting one in 15 years when they're $1500

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



I’m glad the chrome beak is gone.

BloodBag
Sep 20, 2008

WITNESS ME!



Olympic Mathlete posted:

Oh dude, now that you've seen lines not interacting just close your eyes, it's a loving epidemic and one of my pet hates about car design. Modern cars are suuuuuuuuuper bad about design coherency, far more than older ones and it drives me insane.

Like a car will have a bodyline from front to back sweeping up as it gets to the back of the car. This line mayyyyy interact with the front lights but when it gets to the back the rear lights don't interact. Or it'll flow over the front arches, fade most of the way up the body and then there'll be another, random line coming from gently caress knows where looking way out of place.


:hfive:

The current maxima is awful from the side. It's like the designers wanted to make a bulbous, idiotic thing with no cohesion. Also, what's up with the piece of black plastic in the C pillar of sedans tying the side window and rear window together?

E: the grille by Hobart meat slicers is gone! Only took 10 years.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


I just don't "get" stuff like the ILX.

It's a weird intersection of people not caring enough about cars to buy anything other than an appliance but caring enough about the vehicle they're seen in to demand a luxury badge.

Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

bull3964 posted:

I just don't "get" stuff like the ILX.

It's a weird intersection of people not caring enough about cars to buy anything other than an appliance but caring enough about the vehicle they're seen in to demand a luxury badge.

It's basically just a little bit nicer entry-lux Civic Si without the boy racer styling. I understand it, but also understand why it doesn't sell especially well.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


bull3964 posted:

I just don't "get" stuff like the ILX.

It's a weird intersection of people not caring enough about cars to buy anything other than an appliance but caring enough about the vehicle they're seen in to demand a luxury badge.

Ask alexa to define conspicuous consumption.

Godzilla07
Oct 4, 2008

Powershift posted:

My 12 year old nephew spent like 10 minutes the other day making sure his door handles lined up before he would move on. He also put stacks coming out of the roof which was doooooooope

Also.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/2019-acura-ilx-update-photos-info



Looks okay compared to other gaping maw luxocompacts. I'll definitely look into getting one in 15 years when they're $1500

Huh, Acura still hasn't updated the ILX to the current-gen Civic platform. :effort:

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Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Yea the ILX still being on the old platform is a loving joke.

Acura in general is just sort of sad, they have no market niche other than being cheaper than Lexus.

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