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Lt. Lizard posted:Shield Hero is pretty much power fantasy for incels. All attractive women are manipulative, lying bitches, all attractive men are callous and cruel chads and the only females you can trust are your pure, underage, fanatically loyal slaves. Its truly something "special". Shield Hero has always been the worst isekai I've tried to read. Something about it strikes me as even worse than the ones that are explicitly called things like "making a slave harem in an alternate world!" I think it's the fact that the author's genuine opinions bleed so strongly into the writing. Other terrible isekai are clearly just attempts to appeal to some fetish or make money, but Shield Hero feels like a genuine reflection of the way the author feels. The main love interest is a literal child slave, because that is obviously the only sort of "woman" that the author finds non-threatening enough. Reading it (or at least the parts I could stomach early on) actually made me depressed, because it was like staring into the soul of this incredibly bitter rear end in a top hat.
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Sep 4, 2018 19:42
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Ytlaya posted:Shield Hero has always been the worst isekai I've tried to read. Something about it strikes me as even worse than the ones that are explicitly called things like "making a slave harem in an alternate world!" I think it's the fact that the author's genuine opinions bleed so strongly into the writing. Other terrible isekai are clearly just attempts to appeal to some fetish or make money, but Shield Hero feels like a genuine reflection of the way the author feels. The main love interest is a literal child slave, because that is obviously the only sort of "woman" that the author finds non-threatening enough. This seems exactly my experience with Re:Monster The thing that really got me about it is that the main character is a psychopath's (the author) idea of a Good Guy. I dropped it when he turned a bunch of elves into sex slaves for the goblins, but he didn't want them to be raped against their will so he gave them a horniness elixir so they would "actually want it". Oh yeah dude, now everything is alright for sure
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nerdz posted:The thing that really got me about it is that the main character is a psychopath's (the author) idea of a Good Guy. I dropped it when he turned a bunch of elves into sex slaves for the goblins, but he didn't want them to be raped against their will so he gave them a horniness elixir so they would "actually want it". Oh yeah dude, now everything is alright for sure That is super hosed up (I've read some of the manga for Re;Monster) and misogynistic, but it still doesn't have the same sort of "I, the author, personally despise women" feeling that Shield Hero has. Like, Re:Monster just comes off as a really misogynistic power/sex fantasy where the author likes to highlight how edgy and hardcore he is, while Shield Hero focuses heavily on how terrible and evil the non-slave woman is, and how - presumably in contrast with her - the slave woman (with the mind of a literal child) is pure and good because she is so devoted to the protagonist that she even chooses to remain his slave when she tries to free her (!). It also manages to throw in some hatred at the stupidity of the ~popular guys~ who are reborn with him (in contrast with his own badass/rational self).
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Sep 4, 2018 20:36
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I want to write an isekai where some reddit nerd gets trapped in a fantasy world and constantly gets owned because he sucks
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Sep 4, 2018 20:47
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I want to write an isekai where some reddit nerd gets trapped in a fantasy world and constantly gets owned because he sucks That would just validate them.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I want to write an isekai where some reddit nerd gets trapped in a fantasy world and constantly gets owned because he sucks The closest I can think of to this is Subaru from Re:Zero, and he's less Reddit and more TvTropes.
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Sep 4, 2018 20:49
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If you want terrible isekai, then I remember reading one where the protagonist gets murdered by his party due to no fault of his own, gets sent back to when he first arrives in the other world, and then proceeds to exact his revenge on the princess and royal guards in a sick and brutal manner, and that's without rape or sexual violence. I think. I kinda stopped after the first chapter or two and didn't read any more of it.
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Sep 4, 2018 21:26
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it's revenge porn. there are a few similar wn's, unfortunately.
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Sep 4, 2018 21:28
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Lt. Lizard posted:Shield Hero is pretty much power fantasy for incels. All attractive women are manipulative, lying bitches, all attractive men are callous and cruel chads and the only females you can trust are your pure, underage, fanatically loyal slaves. Its truly something "special". FWIW, it does course-correct on this later. The queen comes back, goes "wtf are you people doing," re-takes control from the king, banishes the villain woman, and hasn't done anything villainous herself or offered herself to the protag. The spear hero gets his own spinoff where he gets a chance to change history and is just a weirdo rather than a villain. I still wouldn't call it particularly good, but I have a low quality threshold for what isekai I can flip through the chapters of in ~ a minute.
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Sep 4, 2018 22:41
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Ytlaya posted:That is super hosed up (I've read some of the manga for Re;Monster) and misogynistic, but it still doesn't have the same sort of "I, the author, personally despise women" feeling that Shield Hero has. Like, Re:Monster just comes off as a really misogynistic power/sex fantasy where the author likes to highlight how edgy and hardcore he is, while Shield Hero focuses heavily on how terrible and evil the non-slave woman is, and how - presumably in contrast with her - the slave woman (with the mind of a literal child) is pure and good because she is so devoted to the protagonist that she even chooses to remain his slave when she tries to free her (!). It also manages to throw in some hatred at the stupidity of the ~popular guys~ who are reborn with him (in contrast with his own badass/rational self).
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Some benevolent deity looked upon the horror that is Isekais and cursed them to inevitably devolve into explicitly terrible poo poo that we would see what a waste they are. Goddamn what a loving worthless genre. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Sep 5, 2018 |
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Sep 5, 2018 00:20
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Not all isekais
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Sep 5, 2018 00:23
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The 3 chapters of Isekai Putin have been pretty fun so far.
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Sep 5, 2018 00:26
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The isekais where an office worker dies of overwork and is reborn with ultimate power to just take it easy, make friends, and improve lives are alright. Edit: Whoops typo. chumbler fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Sep 5, 2018 |
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Sep 5, 2018 00:30
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chumbler posted:make fiends
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Sep 5, 2018 00:38
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I want to write an isekai where some reddit nerd gets trapped in a fantasy world and constantly gets owned because he sucks IIRC, isn’t that basically Konosuba?
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Sep 5, 2018 00:38
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Mraagvpeine posted:If you want terrible isekai, then I remember reading one where the protagonist gets murdered by his party due to no fault of his own, gets sent back to when he first arrives in the other world, and then proceeds to exact his revenge on the princess and royal guards in a sick and brutal manner, and that's without rape or sexual violence. I think. I kinda stopped after the first chapter or two and didn't read any more of it. Nidome no Yuusha and gently caress you for reminding me it exists. (I wouldn't bet on the no rape, it definitely has slavery)
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Sep 5, 2018 00:50
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I liked the one where the kid who got reincarnated was raised by undead in a ruin.
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Sep 5, 2018 01:05
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Galvanik posted:The 3 chapters of Isekai Putin have been pretty fun so far. willingly being a part of Putin's strongman propaganda machine is extremely lovely in itself
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Sep 5, 2018 01:24
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MonsieurChoc posted:I liked the one where the kid who got reincarnated was raised by undead in a ruin. Saihate no Paladin? I was just checking out the manga for that. It’s a pretty standard hero’s journey with some unusual wrinkles, but it’s decent and unobjectionable by isekai standards.
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Sep 5, 2018 01:31
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I hit max level after killing slimes for 300 years is a good one.
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Sep 5, 2018 01:50
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The non-spider parts of Kumoko are possibly the only example I can think of where the actual "reincarnated from another world" stuff factored in and the content wasn't total trash. Well, that and "My Discipled Diet Yet Again," though I'm not sure if a isekai Xianxia is considered part of the same genre technically.
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Darth Walrus posted:Saihate no Paladin? I was just checking out the manga for that. It’s a pretty standard hero’s journey with some unusual wrinkles, but it’s decent and unobjectionable by isekai standards. Yeah, but there's a kind of melancholy about it I like.
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Sep 5, 2018 02:15
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MonsieurChoc posted:Yeah, but there's a kind of melancholy about it I like. Yeah, it’s got a nice atmosphere. It’s not exactly Dark Souls-like, but it feels like the author played Dark Souls and got some interesting ideas from the experience.
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Sep 5, 2018 02:18
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Ytlaya posted:The non-spider parts of Kumoko are possibly the only example I can think of where the actual "reincarnated from another world" stuff factored in and the content wasn't total trash.  I guess that's something to look forward to, then, as the manga (translation) hasn't really gotten there yet.
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Sep 5, 2018 02:20
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Darth Walrus posted:Yeah, it’s got a nice atmosphere. It’s not exactly Dark Souls-like, but it feels like the author played Dark Souls and got some interesting ideas from the experience. how not to sell a manga
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Sep 5, 2018 02:21
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Cake Attack posted:how not to sell a manga I dunno, it really did remind me of the atmosphere of Majula or the Firelink Shrine in DS1 somehow. Peaceful, with this air of quiet decay. Like if a bunch of those quirky, tragic NPCs you meet there had decided to adopt a kid.
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there's a bunch of isekai for ladies that are fun like https://mangadex.org/chapter/6109/1
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Rodyle posted:there's a bunch of isekai for ladies that are fun Bakarina is for everyone!
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Sep 5, 2018 03:14
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And in other "reincarnated as a noble's daughter" isekai news, Koushaku Reijou no Tashinami might be made for me. Here she is describing double-entry bookkeeping. 
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Rodyle posted:there's a bunch of isekai for ladies that are fun Somehow this stirred my memory of Drinking Girls manga https://mangadex.org/title/16393/nomi-joshi Looks like all of Zoglin’s scanlation was uploaded, but some other group picked it up and skipped a bunch of chapters! 
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Sep 5, 2018 05:40
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Elf Can't On A Diet is actually the best isekai.
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Paracelsus posted:FWIW, it does course-correct on this later. The queen comes back, goes "wtf are you people doing," re-takes control from the king, banishes the villain woman, and hasn't done anything villainous herself or offered herself to the protag. The spear hero gets his own spinoff where he gets a chance to change history and is just a weirdo rather than a villain. the supposed benevolent queen pushes her pre-teen daughter to marry the shield hero, thus adding yet another little girl to his harem. even when the author tries to make a female character who isn't a total bitch who needs to be (and later is) raped to death it is still enabling his blatant pedophile fantasies. shield hero is really loving bad and so is anyone who enjoys it. idiots like myself who willingly read it are only slightly less bad.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:the supposed benevolent queen pushes her pre-teen daughter to marry the shield hero, thus adding yet another little girl to his harem. even when the author tries to make a female character who isn't a total bitch who needs to be (and later is) raped to death it is still enabling his blatant pedophile fantasies. I'm still putting you on The List.
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Sharkopath posted:Please keep sharing your pet power fantasy series that is definitely not bursting at the seams with the authors grotesque hangups itt. when will someone make a pet play fantasy series instead
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Sep 5, 2018 11:22
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LibrarianCroaker posted:Nidome no Yuusha and gently caress you for reminding me it exists. I remember reading the first chapter of this and it is just incredibly uncomfortable. Now I really wish that I had not remembered this.
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PringleCreamEgg posted:Elf Can't On A Diet is actually the best isekai.
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Sep 5, 2018 13:42
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Please. They're plump.
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Darth Walrus posted:Saihate no Paladin? I was just checking out the manga for that. It’s a pretty standard hero’s journey with some unusual wrinkles, but it’s decent and unobjectionable by isekai standards. I was actually going to mention this one since isekais came up. It has one thing going for it that doesn't show up in many other isekais I can think of: the protagonist is actually a good person. Like, sincerely and genuinely always trying to do the kindest thing. He's a Mary Sue, which is par for the course in isekais, but he never gets that loving smug entitled attitude that a lot of protagonists do, and he's sufficiently virtuous that the admiration other characters have for him doesn't come across as completely absurd. I mean, they're light novels so they're never going to be ~*great literature*~ but I found them kinda heartwarming.
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