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Ytlaya posted:Heck, Trump-Russia might be another good example of something I acknowledge matters but don't feel emotionally invested in. This is basically how your average affluent D&D liberal feels about an issue like material inequality. Of course, the important difference here is that I don't whine about the people who are emotionally invested in rainforest deforestation! When the guy who was propped up by millions in dark money and coverage by the media thats become part of his entertainment career appoints a member of the family that owns student loan companies to secretary of education, and every agency is being shuttered by appointed executive manager who acts like a wise guy, I can't help but feel like the country has been taken over by a mafia, that he's literally involved with the mafia doesn't help. It kind of reminds me of the economic shocks of the 90s when the US "helped" open up Russia to trade with the west by fire selling every national asset to whatever crime family coughed up enough drug money and bodies. The rich are historically disgusting inbred pig-men gangsters, the sleaziness that embodies the Trump ethos is a pretty brutal reminder of how thin the veneer of PR for the owner class is. ...covfefe!
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https://twitter.com/ryanlcooper/status/1037357001737740288 EVERY member of leadership needs to go. Every one.
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They won't though. She's going to win re-election. Feinstein is going to win re-election. I would love love love love to be wrong but it's not going to happen. Your average Dem voter loves the cops more than BLM. They are ok with endless war, they are ok with corporations grinding the planet to dust. They just want to see some PoC CEOs.
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It's like centrist Democrats actively dont want to do anything and it's not about "small steps" or whatever bullshit. The Democratic leadership is going to hand us to the fascists with a smile in the spirit of decorum, bipartisanship, and Fiscal Responsibility if they aren't removed. They won't be because the Democrats aren't a political party but a union for connected insiders.
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Radish posted:It's like centrist Democrats actively dont want to do anything and it's not about "small steps" or whatever bullshit. The Democratic leadership is going to hand us to the fascists with a smile in the spirit of decorum, bipartisanship, and Fiscal Responsibility if they aren't removed. They won't be because the Democrats aren't a political party but a union for connected insiders. are you trying to tell me incrementalism was bullshit all along?
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VitalSigns posted:Sweet I get to choose between the austerity party and the austerity party The only choice is whether you want them to wring their hands or flip you the bird while they do it.
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VitalSigns posted:Sweet I get to choose between the austerity party and the austerity party
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mcmagic posted:EVERY member of leadership needs to go. Every one. With the understanding that this is bad faith on Pelosi’s part... weren’t we wanting to raise taxes? At least on rich people? Also I agree that it’s patently obvious that Trump is actually in bed with organized crime, whether it’s the Russian mafia or others. He was a real estate guy in New York in the ‘80s, OF COURSE he’s in bed with organized crime lol. I imagine that’s how the FSB is associated with him if they are. But the problem really is that the Russia narrative is currently built around vague Cold War fearmongering rather than a concrete “Trump is bad because he and his friends are rich corrupt criminal fucks and they should all burn and we should take all their money.”
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^^^ The Russia narrative sorta varies depending upon who is talking about it. Generally speaking, it seems like the worst stuff comes from the media (like MSNBC) rather than actual politicians.Lightning Knight posted:With the understanding that this is bad faith on Pelosi’s part... weren’t we wanting to raise taxes? At least on rich people? The Democrats are often willing to raise taxes on rich people, but just not by that much. Some of the "better" Democrats are often okay with reducing the rate at which the rich become richer than everyone else; they're just unwilling to do anything that would actually significantly shrink the gap, and they're definitely not willing to do anything that would remove the current elite from their position at the top.
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Lightning Knight posted:With the understanding that this is bad faith on Pelosi’s part... weren’t we wanting to raise taxes? At least on rich people? I don't care if it's bad faith or not we don't really know.. It's bad and destructive policy that she has advocated for in the past. It's also horrific messaging and walks right into republican lies about economics. There is also no constituency for it. It's malpractice both from a policy and politics perspective.
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Yeah almost no one actually gives a poo poo about fiscal responsibility, deficits, or whatever. They are just things to yell about that sound Responcible and you can use to not fund things you hate while giving way more money to whatever hole you don't. The Democrats like Pelosi want to go into elections smugly talking about how they are the real economic conservatives since Republicans blew up the economy again and absolutely no one will care because both leftists and conservatives want the government to pay lots of money for stuff. Political malpractice is exactly what it is but the Democratic leadership is hopelessly out of touch and in the thrall of their backers.
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It is only political malpractice if you assume the Democratic party exists exclusively to maximize its vote share.
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The centrist kabuki is aimed at least as much if not more at loyal democratic voters as it is at supposed "swing voters". Wouldn't want to set expectations too high after all.
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It's malpractice in the same way if a doctor caused a complication during surgery so that in six months a patient would have to return for more and pretended that it was an unrelated problem. Just because we know they are corrupt and they know they are corrupt doesn't absolve them of the fact they are supposed to be a political party and not just a method for a specific few to be entered into the American aristocracy. "Fleecing people desperate for any way to stem the tide of fascism" isn't in their platform just yet.
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 Lightning Knight posted:He was a real estate guy in New York in the ‘80s, OF COURSE he’s in bed with organized crime lol. For some reason it feels like a bunch of rich gangsters pulled off a coup and post Citizens United they don't even have to work to hide the mob money propping up a vacuous entertainment industry faceman to loot the country. Oh God, I'm as senile as Trump, for a moment I thought it the 80s and Reagan was president. ....covfefe!
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Nonsense posted:https://twitter.com/CharlesPPierce/status/1036392223598960646 Pierce just a few days later, on Anonymous NY Times Op-Ed Guy, with zero self-awareness: https://twitter.com/CharlesPPierce/status/1037459861699801089 quote:Admit that what you're confronting now is the end result of 40 years of conservative politics and all the government-is-the-problem malfeasance you've been imbibing since you were wingnuts in swaddling. The fire's licking at your ankles at last.
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https://twitter.com/ByronTau/status...798103020134400 https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...m=.0e47c08036ee quote:Bill Burck, Bush’s presidential records representative, said later Thursday, “We cleared the documents last night shortly after Senator Booker’s staff asked us to. We were surprised to learn about Senator Booker’s histrionics this morning because we had already told him he could use the documents publicly. In fact, we have said yes to every request made by the Senate Democrats to make documents public.”
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I feel like a lot of the comparatively better older liberals, like Pierce, are torn between the good opinions they arrive at logically and an irrational distaste for the left (that may be driven at least partially by the way the younger left has rejecting the label "liberal" and gone further to the left than anything they represent). That being said, liberals in general have always had a weird sort of inconsistency with regards to their opinions on Republicans. Their opinion can change radically depending upon their mood at the time (or what article/news they're responding to). They can easily go from "gently caress all Republicans" after seeing a story about Republicans being terrible to "I may disagree with you, good sir, but I respect your opinions" after seeing an anti-Trump Republican who isn't openly expressing their various abhorrent opinions at the time.
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theCalamity posted:https://twitter.com/ByronTau/status...798103020134400 this is stupid as poo poo: https://twitter.com/MiseryXchord/status/1037807145192906752 https://twitter.com/MiseryXchord/status/1037809135524315136 https://twitter.com/MiseryXchord/status/1037809267875565568 I'm Sure Byron Tau of ... *checks notes* The WALL STREET loving JOURNAL is unbiased in this matter
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https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1037863528781242368 Is this the thread where I can post how mad I am about this? Because I am pretty mad about this. The headline is sensationalist, but still, 
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:this is stupid as poo poo: That’s why there is a WaPo link
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deoju posted:https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1037863528781242368 pretty sure there's a private schools thread somewhere. if not in D&D, then probably in C-SPAM
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deoju posted:https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1037863528781242368
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theCalamity posted:That’s why there is a WaPo link Your link doesn't back up the framing you used, dipshit.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I mean, that's stupid but nobody actually got hurt. I think the biggest problem there is that anyone thought "student is napping" required a cop for some reason. Except for the lifetime of PTSD that student is going to have to endure now that her brain was exposed to being violently assaulted while she was asleep. That kind of trauma being committed against a developing mind is an extremely big deal and will without a doubt have significant lifetime consequences. And that's before we get into what that officer did to an entire classroom of students who witnessed the such a violent and unprovoked assault on one of their sleeping friends. That cop should see the inside of a prison cell. Actually that cop should be made a public example of. She can best serve her community by demonstrating the consequences of such severe abuse of your power.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I mean, that's stupid but nobody actually got hurt. I think the biggest problem there is that anyone thought "student is napping" required a cop for some reason. I mean there's a lot try and unpack but there's a great deal to be said about how Tasers are treated by our militarized police force and marketed in general. While police treat them as a pain compliance tool, Tasers are a "less lethal" weapon. As in, less lethal than dumping a magazine of 9mm bullets into a human. If this child had an undiagnosed heart condition, the barbs landed in the wrong place, or they rolled a 1 on their fortitude save vs electrocution, they would be loving dead. For napping in class. I don't think anyone outside of vocal and open fascists would be brushing this off as no harm done if the cop loaded a bean bag round into a shotgun and fired it at this student. Edit So according to the video, the officer didn't actually discharge her weapon on the student. She used the threat of violence and the fear of pain in order to establish compliance. So the equivalent would be if she loaded said bean bag round and fired a warning shot. I don't think anyone with close to a normal brain can defend that. Iron Twinkie fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Sep 7, 2018 |
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Your link doesn't back up the framing you used, dipshit. I wasn’t trying to frame it that way dumbass, but my bad. It was a tweet I saw in one of the other threads and decided to find a more reputable source than wsj
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mcmagic posted:https://twitter.com/ryanlcooper/status/1037357001737740288 B-b-but she's a really good procedural tactician, also she has a very progressive voting record compared to the shittiest of shitdems, therefore these factors outweigh the fact that she's just completely horrible. Checkmate leftailures. 
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Iron Twinkie posted:I mean there's a lot try and unpack but there's a great deal to be said about how Tasers are treated by our militarized police force and marketed in general. While police treat them as a pain compliance tool, Tasers are a "less lethal" weapon. As in, less lethal than dumping a magazine of 9mm bullets into a human. If this child had an undiagnosed heart condition, the barbs landed in the wrong place, or they rolled a 1 on their fortitude save vs electrocution, they would be loving dead. For napping in class. I don't think anyone outside of vocal and open fascists would be brushing this off as no harm done if the cop loaded a bean bag round into a shotgun and fired it at this student. The cop did exactly what they were there for. After all, both the teacher and the principal were already there, so why did they call in a cop? The answer to that question is another question: what can a cop do that a principal can't? Or, to jump right to the point, it's likely that the officer was summoned by administrators for the express purpose of using physical force against that kid. I hope that private school gets investigated, because there's almost certainly more misconduct than that in the way they're run.
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I think as a society we need to stop drawing such a distinction between sexual abuse of children and other forms of child abuse, like physical and/or emotional abuse such as this incident. People are appropriately outraged about the sexual abuse of children in general, but too many people lack the same instinctual revulsion toward those other forms of abuse and it needs to change, because abusing children in any way whatsoever is disgusting and abhorrent. Someone tasing a sleeping child should absolutely be treated as the same level of scum as a child molester, and anyone cultivating the environment where that could occur should be treated the same as someone who groomed a child for sexual abuse or pimped a minor, that poo poo is beyond the pale and fuckers need to go to prison for it.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1038105181416771585 I know you have to inject other people's humanity as you lack any of your own, but you praising obama here is loving hilarious.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I know you have to inject other people's humanity as you lack any of your own, but you praising obama here is loving hilarious. if you think i'm praising the guy explaining it is Immoral and Wrong to obstruct Trump through ~indecorous~ means you have another thing coming
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:if you think i'm praising the guy explaining it is Immoral and Wrong to obstruct Trump through ~indecorous~ means you have another thing coming Are you not familiar with the connotations of "inject it into my loving veins" Edit: Also, if that is your takeaway. Your brain ras rotted.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I know you have to inject other people's humanity as you lack any of your own, but you praising obama here is loving hilarious. I am not sure how you read that as praise, but
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Lightning Knight posted:I am not sure how you read that as praise, but 'inject it into my loving veins' is a phase used to indicate "this is good poo poo". How is anyone supposed to take it as anything but that?
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:'inject it into my loving veins' is a phase used to indicate "this is good poo poo". How is anyone supposed to take it as anything but that? I’ve seen it used to represent schadenfreude and that’s how I read his comment.
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