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does anyone even use those dpi settings? most pro gamers rock 400-800 dont they
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underage at the vape shop posted:does anyone even use those dpi settings? most pro gamers rock 400-800 dont they I always thought it was supposed to be that a high DPI paired with low sensitivity in-game was the best for precision. You only manually lower your mouse's DPI when you can't set sensitivity low enough in game.
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Sep 3, 2018 14:05
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underage at the vape shop posted:does anyone even use those dpi settings? most pro gamers rock 400-800 dont they in FPS yeah, in RTS-like games i know some use like 1600. but rarely anything higher than that in any game
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Sep 3, 2018 16:57
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I use low DPI because I'm too lazy to switch modes every time I start a game or go back to desktop. 
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Sep 3, 2018 17:16
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Anyone have any experience with Intellimouse Optical clones? I've been using a Microsoft intellimouse optical on and off at work for the past 10 years and I love it but it's sadly on its last legs. I have a Logitech and Steelseries mouse that I use at home for gaming but I still love using the intellimouse at work and I've been looking for replacements. From what I've seen there are a lot of Chinese clones and resellers claiming that they have original intelli-mice but I'm skeptical. Does anyone have any experience with any of these clones? Are any of them worth buying?
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Sep 4, 2018 17:20
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There is no drawback to having high DPS and lower sensitivity. It just gives you higher precision for the cost of nothing. This doesn't change depending of what genre of game you're playing. Then again I'm not a pro gamer so maybe I'm missing something. isndl posted:I use low DPI because I'm too lazy to switch modes every time I start a game or go back to desktop. Lower the sensitivity in your OS to match. 
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Sep 4, 2018 17:49
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Wooper posted:Lower the sensitivity in your OS to match. Last I remember there's some interpolation bullshit going on when you don't have the Windows cursor speed at default. The MarkC Mousefix needs to be customized to your configuration if you do that, at least. DPI x sensitivity = pixels moved. Unless you're playing games where literal pixel perfect precision is important, it doesn't matter much how things are configured when the end result is about the same. My FPS roots are Quake engine based games so half my aiming is done via strafing/movement anyways, and honestly the G502 I'm using is too heavy for millimeter precise adjustments (or I need to also invest in a fancier mousepad).
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Sep 4, 2018 18:19
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isndl posted:DPI x sensitivity = pixels moved. I’m a big fan of using the dpi you like on the desktop and the sensitivity that works for that DPI and your aim style. I will say that 400dpi is “enough” precision for some of the best in the world and claims that more is better are at least suspect.
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Sep 4, 2018 22:55
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kaschei posted:This isn’t true in any FPS, this doesn’t even have the right units as the truth. Mouse events turn you in degrees and perspective means the ratio between apparent length and degrees depends on distance and field of view. I agree it's not exact, and it wasn't really meant to be because different games have different implementations. Regardless of which DPI setting you use though you're still adjusting for the same end result: you want to be targeting x thing after y physical movement.
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Sep 5, 2018 02:10
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Wooper posted:There is no drawback to having high DPS and lower sensitivity. It just gives you higher precision for the cost of nothing. im at 750dpi and im very often in the bottom 2-3% of the mouse sensitivity slider in fps games to get something usable.
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Sep 5, 2018 13:51
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People like different things film at 11
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Sep 5, 2018 16:52
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Currently using 6400 dpi, which is pretty much the middle of the G603's dpi range. Windows sensitivity is down pretty low at 3 (out of 11). Feels pretty good. Today I learned Windows mice speed goes to 11.
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Sep 5, 2018 16:57
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isndl posted:Last I remember there's some interpolation bullshit going on when you don't have the Windows cursor speed at default. The MarkC Mousefix needs to be customized to your configuration if you do that, at least. While having the mouse speed in windows set to the middle notch is a solid practice pretty much because of this, keep in mind most modern games talk to the mouse in such a way that they circumvent the windows mouse settings entirely.
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Sep 5, 2018 18:09
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Mouse sensors haven't really gotten much better in a long time and any 4 digit dpi number is essentially done in software with significant loss of precision. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc7JVjcPzL0
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Sep 6, 2018 00:24
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dis astranagant posted:Mouse sensors haven't really gotten much better in a long time and any 4 digit dpi number is essentially done in software with significant loss of precision. I always figured as much and almost always keep my mice at 800dpi regardless. Every-time I've cranked up the DPI of my mouse all the way to see how accurate it would be I've been disappointed. I have noticed a pretty big jump in accuracy from 200-400DPI and 400-800 however.
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Sep 6, 2018 15:26
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My MS Comfort Mouse 6000 is 1000dpi. God's DPI.
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Sep 6, 2018 15:47
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dis astranagant posted:Mouse sensors haven't really gotten much better in a long time and any 4 digit dpi number is essentially done in software with significant loss of precision. Keep in mind this video was from 2013 so advances in sensor tech might have happened since then. Logitech's own Hero sensor might be one of them.
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Sep 6, 2018 20:53
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I'm exremely cynical so I expect the main improvements in the Hero sensor are the name that marketing gave it. It'd be nice to be wrong.
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Sep 6, 2018 21:03
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Just found out (a bit late) that Logitech have discontinued the G-13 Gamepad, shame.  Glad i have two... now i just have to find out how to get them running in linux.
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Sep 8, 2018 13:05
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kaschei posted:4This isn’t true in any FPS, this doesn’t even have the right units as the truth. Mouse events turn you in degrees and perspective means the ratio between apparent length and degrees depends on distance and field of view. 400 DPI is objectively enough if you play at a low res and want a really huge real-world 360 distance. It's objectively not enough if you play games at higher resolutions and want low-end 360s (for example, on a 4k monitor, 110 real hFOV, a 16" 360 on a 400 dpi mouse will only let you aim at every other pixel)
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Sep 8, 2018 14:41
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Just use what works you nerds
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Sep 8, 2018 14:47
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Audax posted:Just use what works you nerds No, we have to argue about everything. Some competitive people in CS do / did run their games at an intentionally lower resolution or FoV since they already know the angles to be aiming at and it makes the head hitbox relatively bigger. But that involves playing CS so their choices are already suspect.
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Sep 8, 2018 17:35
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Just Another Lurker posted:Just found out (a bit late) that Logitech have discontinued the G-13 Gamepad, shame. Oof, I didn't realize this. I also have a spare, and I knew it had been around for a long time but it seemed like they were going to produce it forever, without updates (those mushy keyswitches are definitely a negative.) At least there are alternatives by other manufacturers when mine finally wear out. 
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Sep 8, 2018 17:37
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Logitech gamepads are pretty cheap and flimsy-feeling. Unlike the go-to Xbox controllers for PC they will wear out after heavy use. But I'd be lying if I said the Logitech pads don't have good D-pads. They are clicky, responsive, and require hardly any pressure to use. That sort of thing is really important with 2D stuff (retro or otherwise) if you prefer pad to arcade stick. I currently use a XB1 pad. It's very nice and sturdy, and while I don't like the d-pad as much as the Logitechs I've used, but it's a vast improvement over that abomination they put in the X360 one.
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Sep 8, 2018 21:48
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Walmart sells PowerA brand, Nintendo licensed wired Switch controllers for $20-25. Best cheap PC controller option atm. Steam has native support for Switch Pro controllers.
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Sep 8, 2018 22:08
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Just Another Lurker posted:Just found out (a bit late) that Logitech have discontinued the G-13 Gamepad, shame. The optimist in me hopes this means a new mechanical switched replacement. The realist knows the market for that type of product is probably prohibitively small.
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Sep 9, 2018 02:34
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Stormangel posted:The optimist in me hopes this means a new mechanical switched replacement. The realist knows the market for that type of product is probably prohibitively small. I've wanted something like this for ages. Razer made one but... Razer. And it was like $140 I even considered using half an Ergodox for gaming, since I really want to build an ErgoDox anyway.
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Sep 9, 2018 06:19
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Ofecks posted:Logitech gamepads are pretty cheap and flimsy-feeling. Unlike the go-to Xbox controllers for PC they will wear out after heavy use. But I'd be lying if I said the Logitech pads don't have good D-pads. They are clicky, responsive, and require hardly any pressure to use. That sort of thing is really important with 2D stuff (retro or otherwise) if you prefer pad to arcade stick. No offense but maybe Google the device we're talking about? It's actually marketed as a "gameboard" but everyone referred to it as a gamepad. It was originally fairly expensive and heavy-duty, actually, with a metal plate in the base for stability. A completely different product from what you're thinking of. It's not even really relevant to this thread, but it's this one-off Logitech product that doesn't really belong anywhere else. Stormangel posted:The optimist in me hopes this means a new mechanical switched replacement. The realist knows the market for that type of product is probably prohibitively small. Horizontal Tree posted:I've wanted something like this for ages. Razer made one but... Razer. And it was like $140 Razer Orbweaver Chroma, RGB backlit, mechanical, and often available <$100 if you're OK with used/refurb'd/Warehouse Deal'd. It's still expensive, but the closest thing to a modernized G13 and likely of higher quality than the random, Chinese off-brand alternatives.
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My logitech g5 is old as poo poo and I hate its size and weight. I'm interested in getting a logitech g pro/g305/g pro hero but rocketjumpninja doesn't have a review for the g pro hero so I'm not really sure if it's worth $20 over the g pro for the g305 (probably) or $30 for the g pro hero (probably not?). In short do I care about the hero sensor on a wired mouse? Otherwise I'd take reccomendations for small/light gaming mice, finalmouse ultralights are out of stock, and the zowie fc2 seems cool but it's way more expensive than a wired g pro.
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Sep 10, 2018 09:40
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Humerus posted:Obviously ymmv but I was at Target yesterday and they had G603s on clearance for $48 and G903s for $104. I very nearly bought the 603 but I decided to hold out for a wireless 502 style mouse, because I feel like it will happen eventually. Thanks for the heads up. I stopped at Target at lunch today and found the G603 for $34.95 and picked one up for work. I had been catching myself trying to press the sides of my mouse to go back and forth on web pages. Turns out that doesn't work if you don't have side buttons, but now I do!
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Sep 13, 2018 19:58
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A few weeks ago my G502 mouse started doing this thing where the button that makes the multidirectional scroll icon come up no longer does that, but it will come up with random times and after that I can't click out of my current window unless I hit ctrl alt del and click on "Cancel" Does anyone have any idea wtf that could be
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Sep 14, 2018 16:01
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Okay I did some testing and more specifically the G5 button just doesn't work at all and occasionally freaks out so I have to unassign it to prevent problems. Is this a normal thing to happen to these mice
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Sep 14, 2018 16:17
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Sounds like you have a hardware defect, contact Logitech support.
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Sep 14, 2018 16:19
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Sounds like an excuse to buy a new mouse
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Sep 14, 2018 18:25
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Question Friend posted:A few weeks ago my G502 mouse started doing this thing where the button that makes the multidirectional scroll icon come up no longer does that, but it will come up with random times and after that I can't click out of my current window unless I hit ctrl alt del and click on "Cancel" Question Friend posted:Okay I did some testing and more specifically the G5 button just doesn't work at all and occasionally freaks out so I have to unassign it to prevent problems. Is this a normal thing to happen to these mice That sounds like "universal scroll" or whatever the function is called; by default I think it's mapped to the middle button (mouse 3?) Obviously if you don't need it just leave it unassigned, but any other weird mouse behavior you're describing is more difficult for me to visualize. If one of the buttons is indeed failing though, definitely get Logitech to give you a warranty replacement, they're very good about that.
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Sep 15, 2018 09:03
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My current lovely chinese mouse is dying, so I made the trek over to Best Buy (lol) to try out a G502, thinking that would be a shoe-in, only to discover that it is too narrow and hurt my hand just resting on it. The G403/603 look like they might be a better shape for me, but they didn't have any on display. Are those a bit wider?
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Sep 15, 2018 21:36
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The G603's dimensions: Height: 124mm (4.88") Width: 68mm (2.68") Depth: 43mm (1.69") It's a big mouse. Especially depth-wise. I've discovered that an inch-and-a-half-tall and nearly 5-inch-long mouse isn't ideal for my hands. YMMV of course.
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Sep 15, 2018 23:49
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Ok, good. Thanks for confirming. I just wanted to double check because the specs for the G502 would lead you to believe it is actually wider than the G603: Height: 5.2 in (132 mm) Width: 2.95 in (75 mm) Depth: 1.57 in (40 mm) I'm guessing they're counting the little wing thing that your thumb sits on top of, which makes the measurement completely worthless for comparing.
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Sep 16, 2018 00:12
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Yeah the G502 has a very weird, pointy & scalloped shape, so it's hard to make size comparisons. The 403/703 are definitely more "traditional" and I think either will work better than the 502 simply due to not requiring any weird hand contortions. For reference though, I have many mice including the 502, 703, and 903, and I can adapt to them all despite them being completely different sizes & shapes.
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I ordered a G603 so we'll see how that goes. I think a more 'traditional' shape is exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks for the advice, guys.
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