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My new shtick is to be a libertarian and point out that private property is a statist construct.
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Business Gorillas posted:Tbh the best way I've found to gently caress with conservatives is to listen to all of their "freedom" poo poo, thoroughly agree, then argue in favor of the anarchist/socialist solution (ex. Turn "employees should have a right to choose to not be in a union" into "employees should have a right to choose their bosses") This is how you get libertarians "You don't like your boss? Get another job!"
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Sep 6, 2018 18:59
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Bushiz posted:My new shtick is to be a libertarian and point out that private property is a statist construct.
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Sep 6, 2018 19:00
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Bushiz posted:My new shtick is to be a libertarian and point out that private property is a statist construct. there was no greater crime committed against personal freedoms and individual opportunity than enclosure and everything that started as a result Alan Smithee posted:This is how you get libertarians "Naw I'm gonna force him out and put my own guy in, that seems way more beneficial to myself and my long term prospects. If labour is a commodity so is management, free market biiiiitches"
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Sep 6, 2018 19:04
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But yeah actually going full-bore Marxist on conservative boomers tends to cause their brains to fritz out. And I don't mean in this moralistic way. I've been trying out Chicom style, very straightforward: you know I think we should send large numbers of landlords to the guillotines. For instance, China has large-scale affordable and subsidized housing and higher homeownership rates than we do, especially among millennials, and we're supposed to be the land of upward mobility? "Th...th... that's insane!" Business Gorillas posted:Tbh the best way I've found to gently caress with conservatives is to listen to all of their "freedom" poo poo, thoroughly agree, then argue in favor of the anarchist/socialist solution (ex. Turn "employees should have a right to choose to not be in a union" into "employees should have a right to choose their bosses")
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Sep 6, 2018 19:10
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:But yeah actually going full-bore Marxist on conservative boomers tends to cause their brains to fritz out. using Marxist or Kropotkin style language to explain that, actually, rent seeking being a valid and increasingly superior way of generating income is the ultimate condemnation of the fundamental pillars of capitalism is also fun FDR saved capitalism with a massive compromise, Bernie was the chance at another compromise, but that's probably gone now so get ready for CHOPPY CHOPPY CHOP v v v also bring up tax brackets and CEO-worker income ratios back then
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Sep 6, 2018 19:13
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^^^ Me reading your post:  Also with some alt-right people on /pol/ and such, you can be like "so you like the 1950s eh? Well let me tell you about a thing called a labor union." Or like, I've even seen pro-class collaboration stuff (because they read it on the wikipedia entry on fascism), and I will tell them: look that ain't gonna happen by itself. You need to actually force capital to bargain with you. BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 19:17 on Sep 6, 2018 |
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Sep 6, 2018 19:13
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:You're not wrong. It rules because none of them have any kind of counterargument to it and the mask slides off and they show their fascist asses.
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Sep 6, 2018 19:15
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also the IMF and WTO should be destroyed
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Sep 6, 2018 19:19
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Blyth here is really good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhvrxJ4d6sE But then at the end of this, the logical next question is left out. They leave it at "more turmoil ahead." Well I can't predict the future but I was talking to one boomer conservative and said if nothing changes you stand a chance the youth might actually revolt and it would happen very suddenly. And he was like "yeah I suppose you're right. Boy that wouldn't be good." They're sort of betting on Trump bringing manufacturing jobs back. But that's a pipedream I think.
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Sep 6, 2018 19:21
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Blyth here is really good: wait, do the boomer conservatives actually believe the youth aren't already in revolt? like, even millennials who identify as Republicans or conservative are significantly to the left of the current right that is in power, and these people are outnumbered by like 50 points Trump's not gonna bring any manufacturing jobs back, but he keeps just lying about it and they keep covering it, which is good enough for white retired boomers lol
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Sep 6, 2018 19:23
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Epic High Five posted:wait, do the boomer conservatives actually believe the youth aren't already in revolt? Basically the Reagan-Clinton neoliberal regime is collapsing and the old guard in both parties are being thrown out. https://twitter.com/CoreyRobin/status/1037732588415344641 BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 19:32 on Sep 6, 2018 |
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Sep 6, 2018 19:26
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Shame nobody is actually dying in the culture wars. Might bring housing prices down
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Sep 6, 2018 19:31
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Anyways: https://twitter.com/jaredlholt/status/1037765158456705026 Apparently MAGAs are rallying around In & Out for God knows what reason. I might go get some myself because gently caress it eat Arby's etc.
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Sep 6, 2018 19:33
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:They think everything is coming up dandelions because MAGA and that the mad, nude and red online youth socialists will grow up and turn into conservatives like them. Well, maybe. But maybe not is what I've said, because the kids are broke. Cue headscratching. Some are just T.V. zombies but they're not all like that and I've talked to some thoughtful ones who know the economy is screwed up. "Don't worry, owning a home and raising a family will turn them conservative" I say, looking at a market where no home under 400k is for sale instead of rent and childcare is exploding in costs while children are being gunned down in schools As much as AOC spooked the establishment Dems, I think Capuano being booted out will spook them more, because it shows that the insurgent active Dems aren't looking for concessions, they're looking for reforms and to boot out the incumbents who got us all in this mess. BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Anyways: It's because they donated a bunch of money to Republicans
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Sep 6, 2018 19:33
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Alan Smithee posted:Shame nobody is actually dying in the culture wars. Might bring housing prices down Neo Nazis have killed people recently, actually.
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Sep 6, 2018 19:34
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Epic High Five posted:As much as AOC spooked the establishment Dems, I think Capuano being booted out will spook them more, because it shows that the insurgent active Dems aren't looking for concessions, they're looking for reforms and to boot out the incumbents who got us all in this mess.
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Sep 6, 2018 19:36
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Epic High Five posted:It's because they donated a bunch of money to Republicans also they're an openly christian company
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Sep 6, 2018 19:36
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:PredictIt is also good right now because a bunch of people in there are trying to bet on these primaries using things called "polls" and getting BTFO'd lmao what kind of moron would vote based on polls in obscure house races
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Sep 6, 2018 19:37
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Epic High Five posted:"Don't worry, owning a home and raising a family will turn them conservative" I say, looking at a market where no home under 400k is for sale instead of rent and childcare is exploding in costs while children are being gunned down in schools Not that we shouldn't have seen that coming considering they print bible verses on the bottom of their cups. We just started giving the benefit of the doubt to any fast food place that wasn't chic fil a
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Sep 6, 2018 19:37
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:PredictIt is also good right now because a bunch of people in there are trying to bet on these primaries using things called "polls" and getting BTFO'd not falling for this one again
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Sep 6, 2018 19:37
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Anyways: I’m owning the libs *eats in and out, chickfila, dies of cardiac arrest and diabetes*
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Sep 6, 2018 19:38
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Alan Smithee posted:Not that we shouldn't have seen that coming considering they print bible verses on the bottom of their cups. We just started giving the benefit of the doubt to any fast food place that wasn't chic fil a don’t they treat their employees quite well?
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Sep 6, 2018 19:39
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Anyways: sweet bluetooth headset, Mr. Patriot Sir
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Sep 6, 2018 19:57
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prolly wasn't the best optics for that california democratic operative to tweet a call to boycott in n out but even then the republicans here aren't going to get any hay out of it no matter how much they 
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Sep 6, 2018 20:01
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Yeah priorities are getting Devin Nunes out and whoever else I'm missing
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Sep 6, 2018 20:10
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sadly nunes' district is rich white suburban fresno and visalia, which is p much chud country on roids most of the action is around orange county
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Sep 6, 2018 20:14
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portland PD missed out on some anti-protester tech https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-wanted-take-10-billion-missile-defense-system-out-south-korea-1109228
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Sep 6, 2018 20:20
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CXttksN5z8
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Sep 6, 2018 20:21
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Subjunctive posted:don’t they treat their employees quite well? yes, i think base pay is $13/hour jesus, after a quick google search store managers earn $160K a year and even part time employees have access to a 401k, vacation time, and health plans in-n-out is like trader joes a bit. i notice the employees tend to be in a better mood on the job than other chains.
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Sep 6, 2018 20:26
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You guys are mistaken if you think Republican voters give a poo poo about the free market. Yes, that's what they support, but only because it's happens to be the economic system that the people they need to kick out the Mexicans happen to support. Trump's election win should prove Republican voters will switch their economic stances in a heartbeat as long as the racism levels are just right.
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Sep 6, 2018 20:37
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Epic High Five posted:FDR saved capitalism with a massive compromise, Bernie was the chance at another compromise, but that's probably gone now so get ready for CHOPPY CHOPPY CHOP  
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Sep 6, 2018 20:49
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Mr Interweb posted:You guys are mistaken if you think Republican voters give a poo poo about the free market. Yes, that's what they support, but only because it's happens to be the economic system that the people they need to kick out the Mexicans happen to support. Trump's election win should prove Republican voters will switch their economic stances in a heartbeat as long as the racism levels are just right. I don't think anybody here believes this tho
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Sep 6, 2018 20:56
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Mr Interweb posted:You guys are mistaken if you think Republican voters give a poo poo about the free market. Yes, that's what they support, but only because it's happens to be the economic system that the people they need to kick out the Mexicans happen to support. Trump's election win should prove Republican voters will switch their economic stances in a heartbeat as long as the racism levels are just right.
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Sep 6, 2018 21:02
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pookel posted:Nah, the Republican party is still a coalition of unscrupulous capitalists who don't mind racism, and virulent racists who don't mind predatory capitalism. The latter group has more influence than it used to, but the former group still exists. to be precise, the second group now is allowed to touch the steering wheel with their fingertips after decades of being forced to sit in the passenger seat spitefully twiddling the AC and radio knobs, and the first group is hoping like hell that this isn’t a prelude to just seizing the wheel outright
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Sep 6, 2018 21:09
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:to be precise, the second group now is allowed to touch the steering wheel with their fingertips after decades of being forced to sit in the passenger seat spitefully twiddling the AC and radio knobs, and the first group is hoping like hell that this isn’t a prelude to just seizing the wheel outright This is the accurate take.
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Sep 6, 2018 21:18
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lmao jack needed another scapegoat https://twitter.com/cwarzel/status/1037803869651132416?s=21 https://twitter.com/cwarzel/status/1037804261428482049?s=21 https://twitter.com/cwarzel/status/1037804501934075904?s=21
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Sep 6, 2018 21:53
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Dumbest timeline.
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Sep 6, 2018 21:56
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Someone gimme a reading list so I can argue with "moderates" as eloquently as yall My GFs centrist dad pulled a both sides argument wrt antifa and he wouldn't buy the concept of community defense despite historical evidence as to its efficacy Also how to rebut the idea that this will all just blow over, the way he framed it was "all this has happened before, itll work out"
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Phi230 posted:Someone gimme a reading list so I can argue with "moderates" as eloquently as yall simple, you don't argue to convince them, your argue to gently caress with them and watch them squirm. If you happen to convince them, well that's just bonus
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