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Brought To You By posted:Nah, the suit man was just using full sentences one page ago. Having them suddenly start speaking in this clipped speech makes no sense and comes across as dumb. This sounds better. Nah
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Yeah the dialogue actually works here, assuming they’re alien either literally of metaphorically why would they bother communicating like natural english speaking humans when it’s just them?
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Sep 7, 2018 15:17
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You know what's kind of silly Presumably these are our real villains. Our BIG threats. yet their apparent leader can't eat one whole guy without getting all tuckered out. Boy I can't wait to see what kind of threat these fucks pose to some one that is invincible and also a quarter their age!
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Sep 7, 2018 15:25
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Brought To You By posted:Nah, the suit man was just using full sentences one page ago. Having them suddenly start speaking in this clipped speech makes no sense and comes across as dumb. This sounds better. e: forgot to check the next page, lol
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Sep 7, 2018 15:33
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TheHan posted:Yeah the dialogue actually works here, assuming they’re alien either literally of metaphorically why would they bother communicating like natural english speaking humans when it’s just them? Why have them speak english at all and not their native language? Why not have the page filled with some eldritch speech with a single english phrase "the trickster" in english since their language has no comparable phrase and just leave us to wonder what is being said and create a more intriguing atmosphere?
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Sep 7, 2018 15:33
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Brought To You By posted:Why have them speak english at all and not their native language? Why not have the page filled with some eldritch speech with a single english phrase "the trickster" in english since their language has no comparable phrase and just leave us to wonder what is being said and create a more intriguing atmosphere? - because... gently caress, I dunno, there's a hundred explanations. maybe they aren't actually aliens, just hyper-evolved humans who can glean full meaning from half a sentence of speech! maybe their (basically) human bodies can't pronounce the alien tongue! maybe they're scared of being recorded or spied upon! - because what's on the page is a valid and acceptable artistic decision
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Sep 7, 2018 15:36
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Ahhhhhh this is so boring I don't carrrrre Hey want to read a good comic that executes some of the themes of this comic much, much better? Go read Oh Human Star. It's like this only instead of "what if superheroes but female" it's "what if robots but gay also transgender". And it's about personal relationships and identity instead of alien villains or whatever the hell these are. And it's good.
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Sep 7, 2018 15:58
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Brought To You By posted:Why have them speak english at all and not their native language? Why not have the page filled with some eldritch speech with a single english phrase "the trickster" in english since their language has no comparable phrase and just leave us to wonder what is being said and create a more intriguing atmosphere? Nah Like, everything sucks but their language getting all weird while the old guy naps off his tryptophan low is effective in a technical sense
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Sep 7, 2018 16:06
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Brought To You By posted:Why have them speak english at all and not their native language? Why not have the page filled with some eldritch speech with a single english phrase "the trickster" in english since their language has no comparable phrase and just leave us to wonder what is being said and create a more intriguing atmosphere? well done, you are a worse writer than the creators of internet comic Strong Female Protagonist
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Sep 7, 2018 16:21
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Elephant Parade posted:- because we, the readers, do not understand alien There are entire scenes where these creatures will gather and speak among each other in full Grongi or shout at the main character and while there is a grongi script available with the current iteration of subtitles, my first and second watch of the series didn't benefit from it. It was always a mystery as to what exactly was being said. Meaning there are numerous scenes where I can only discern meaning based on the context of the episode itself, and the actions of the creatures as they converse with each other. And recently when I did finally use the grongi scripts I was surprised to find that my impression of what was being said was accurate across many of the conversations presented. Obviously I missed fine details but the meaning carried through. My point is the reader not speaking a language isn't an excuse because it works. And unlike say, the Cone heads, at least the guy in the suit has a complete command of the english language and grammar structure so him suddenly dropping that just makes it sound awkward. And if they did try and do what I'm suggesting and use some fake language, it would require more involved staging and composition which is something this series isn't known for anymore as people can't just stand and talk at each other when the reader doesn't understand the language. quote:- because... gently caress, I dunno, there's a hundred explanations. maybe they aren't actually aliens, just hyper-evolved humans who can glean full meaning from half a sentence of speech! maybe their (basically) human bodies can't pronounce the alien tongue! maybe they're scared of being recorded or spied upon! quote:- because what's on the page is a valid and acceptable artistic decision I'm saying it reads as awkward and stilted and not in a way that makes them properly ominous. I will admit there is a lot we don't know as to the groups dynamic. Maybe the suit guy is the only one who has a complete grasp of human language. Maybe this is a one-off scene and they will never speak like this again. Maybe the writer just thought this line delivery would sound cool. It didn't work for me and knowing the series, the answer we will eventually get will not be worth giving them my good graces.
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Sep 7, 2018 16:23
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Mulligan has exactly three modes of dialogue: idiot speeches, laconic meaninglessness, and snark.
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Sep 7, 2018 17:04
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There is an interpretation of the Pandora myth, wherein hope is not a balm and mercy that the gods granted to mankind, but rather the final and worst misfortune of all. If mankind has hope, he will go through tragedy time and time again because he believes that perhaps this time can be different, this time things might work out and things may be alright, over and over as his dreams are dashed and he returns to the depths of despair, lead there by his own folly and weakness. Instead of just ending it all he endures: hope is the catalyst for future disappointment and suffering. On an unrelated note this is kind of interesting guys, maybe the comic will get good this arc?
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Sep 7, 2018 17:23
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So that was real? And the dude just fuckin' ate the CEO of a top company as if there weren't multiple witnesses who knew about the meeting and even saw him go to it? Not fuckin' rocket science to follow that trail. What was that business about recognizing a dossier about then? I thought it'd be like a mental representation of the deleted/suppressed memories or some poo poo. Why would you expect somebody to recognize the outside of a goddamn folder like it was a face? Art-wise, the geography of the room and how all these people are moving around is confusing and wildly inconsistent. The table/chair arrangement
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Sep 7, 2018 17:51
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Brought To You By posted:A long Kamen Rider thing. The main difference between this example and SFP is that Kamen Rider has the benefit of 30 FPS. You can only convey so much with comic panels even with it being a visual medium, and there were two major beats to hit. - Clarify that Patrick’s stooge really was loyal to Pat. - Set up that there are other antagonists we’re about to see, and that they are duplicitous. Both things that are gonna require at least some legibility for the reader. You can parse what the Grongi are doing since not only are their goals pretty straightforward but you can read their body language and infer context from that. Plus it gives some wiggle room later on, if Thumbelina starts belting out some Klingon it’s gonna give away the game and all we’ve learned is “they aliens”. But as it is readers get to speculate, and be invested. Really one of the better pages I think.
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Sep 7, 2018 17:52
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TheHan posted:The main difference between this example and SFP is that Kamen Rider has the benefit of 30 FPS.  Paranatural does this although the language here implies possible allegiance rather than who is human for obvious reasons. But when people need to speak english they use complete sentences that sound natural. When they need to slip into black speech they do so also in complete sentences. And the question still remains. Why do three individuals who might not be human default to shortened english phrases in absolute privacy if English isn't their native language. If this is meant to prolong the reveal I can accept that, but that doesn't change that I still think the presentation of the dialogue doesn't really make them sound ominous, just silly. quote:- Clarify that Patrick’s stooge really was loyal to Pat. quote:Plus it gives some wiggle room later on, if Thumbelina starts belting out some Klingon it’s gonna give away the game and all we’ve learned is “they aliens”. But as it is readers get to speculate, and be invested. Really one of the better pages I think. All you really need to convey is that the bald guy wasn't phased by his boss doing his best parasyte reenactment, and the woman points out they need a new lead. I think a guy being non-plussed about bodily dismemberment is more than enough to lay some groundwork for these people not being normal at the very least in the ethical department. Speaking of Parasyte why is that guy so clean after eating a guy? There's barely any blood and I know from personal experience that eating a guy head first is messy. I'm not saying they have to go full on gore, but at least douse the guy's torso in some healthy blood, not just enough to make it look like he spilled some BBQ sauce when eating his business lunch. Even the floor looks spotless. I know backgrounds are taboo and must have the least interaction with character dialogue in this comic, but give us some change in the scenery to reflect what just happened.
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Sep 7, 2018 19:40
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what a fuckin thing to write a billion billion words onOxxidation posted:well done, you are a worse writer than the creators of internet comic Strong Female Protagonist
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Sep 7, 2018 19:49
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youu’re putting waaaaaaaay too much thought into this my dude Unless this is the true greatness of SFP, being so bland it forces you to make a more interesting story to fill in the blanks SoupyTwist fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Sep 7, 2018 |
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Sep 7, 2018 19:49
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SoupyTwist posted:youu’re putting waaaaaaaay too much thought into this my dude
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Sep 7, 2018 19:57
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SlothfulCobra posted:What was that business about recognizing a dossier about then? I thought it'd be like a mental representation of the deleted/suppressed memories or some poo poo. Why would you expect somebody to recognize the outside of a goddamn folder like it was a face? Quick, someone photoshop a Lisa Frank folder into that panel instead
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Sep 7, 2018 20:11
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paranatural can do it because zack is competent. also your example still has half of a coherent conversation from which we can infer strokes but not vital mystery details strong female protagonist is not being made by competent people, so while they COULD have executed at a dramatically higher skill level than they currently seem capable of, this is the best thing they could've done other people have already indicate that the kamen rider comparison falls apart because a webcomic doesn't have vocal tones or body language but i want to say it again just to have fun getting in the dog pile
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Sep 7, 2018 20:31
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To be fair SFP’s so slowly paced it’s a miracle any discussion happens in this thread. But yeah, having not read a single page of Paranatural it does a pretty great job at giving you the basic info you need to at least infer enough to want to read more pages. SFP is at least in the same ballpark with their strange way of speaking, but there wasn’t nearly enough to work with since all three of these weirdos have all the info they need. In the Paranatural page the Doorman is able to act as an audience proxy since it doesn’t know what’s up with this kid either. You’re right that they could easily convey they’re all on the same page without everyone talking weird, but since our audience stand in got munched on Tuesday you’ve gotta get info to the audience somehow. Would’ve been clever if the old man couldn’t make English words in his Langolier form, so he talked in their native tongue while the other two can only speak English in their skinsuits, but this is all still assuming they really are aliens and not just humans. Also, from what I can remember Patrick’s stooge never once actually says Patrick’s name. So it was equally likely he was lied to as him being a devout follower. Edit: ^ Yeah basically that in more words.
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Brought To You By posted:My favorite iteration of the Kamen Rider franchise is the 2000 series 'Kuuga'. In it, a group of ancient monsters awaken to slaughter humanity and prepare the way for their leaders revival. They are suit monsters, but also have the ability to shapeshift into humans and they do so to infiltrate society and blend into the masses. They speak both fluent japanese as well as their native language Grongi. Grongi itself is a cipher of the japanese language meaning you swap out letters or in this case syllables since that's how the Japanese language works. So on top of it being a japanese dubbed show that I an using english scripts to understand, now there is a new language that isn't recognizable to me.  your suggestion posted:"A fool?" 
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Oxxidation posted:well done, you are a worse writer than the creators of internet comic Strong Female Protagonist Yeah, haven't we learned a thing from Thor 2 that having your villains be literally unintelligible isn't actually interesting. Like I know the obvious punchline to this is that it wouldn't be interesting anyway in this comic, but you're arguing for less characterization because it would be "logical". mycot fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Sep 7, 2018 |
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Sep 7, 2018 21:55
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Patware posted:other people have already indicate that the kamen rider comparison falls apart because a webcomic doesn't have vocal tones or body language but i want to say it again just to have fun getting in the dog pile As for the page I posted, I just used what was already in my imgur folder. There are webcomics and regular comics/Manga that have used complete inhuman speech as a part of a story in varyong ways but finding a specific page was more a hassle than it was worth. But you could also just do what TheHan mentioned and have the old man gargling alien speech while everyone else speaks normal and then you have a direct comparison to that paranatural page. Elephant Parade posted:lol if you thought for even a second that I would respond to this wall of poorly-thought-out
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I have never been angrier in my life than I am right now having been denied a page of sinister softboys saying "Bleep blorp gloop" to each other
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Sep 7, 2018 23:10
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Brought To You By posted:But are you telling me that a comic book can't convey body language? That you can't give the reader contexts as to tone and subject matter through visuals? SFP can't
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Sep 7, 2018 23:23
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Sep 7, 2018 23:49
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I'm just waiting for the final wet fart of the comic only to be told that the fart happened 35 minutes ago
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I have never been angrier in my life than I am right now having been denied a page of sinister softboys saying "Bleep blorp gloop" to each other
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Flesh Forge posted:A lot of you are expecting way more from this comic than it has repeatedly shown to be capable of I'm just amazed we've come full circle and now people are defending this comic from someone calling it bad and lazy. Uncle Wemus posted:I'm just waiting for the final wet fart of the comic only to be told that the fart happened 35 minutes ago "You can't launch that app!" "I launched it thirty five minutes ago" And then sexism was over.
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Sep 8, 2018 01:52
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what wind from yonder rear end in a top hat breaks
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Sep 8, 2018 02:05
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Quick, someone photoshop a Lisa Frank folder into that panel instead 
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Sep 8, 2018 02:20
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Bad comic bad and dumb still. Also the only winning move with comics is not to play.
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Sep 8, 2018 02:32
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do you recognise this cookbook named Actual Tasty Italian Food Recipes no then we're done hREAL BIG DAD
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Nuebot posted:I'm just amazed we've come full circle and now people are defending this comic from someone calling it bad and lazy.
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Sep 8, 2018 10:55
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Much improved.
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Nuebot posted:I'm just amazed we've come full circle and now people are defending this comic from someone calling it bad and lazy. The worse writer comment is not a compliment to the original writer.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Ahhhhhh this is so boring I don't carrrrre Hey! Just wanted to thank you for linking O Human Star. I binged it today and I really really liked it. Thanks! 
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Flesh Forge posted:A lot of you are expecting way more from this comic than it has repeatedly shown to be capable of Stilted dialogue on the page? Deliberate choice by the author to convey that the characters are aliens speaking limited English, or author thought it sounded cool and ominous? Hmmm *makes teetering balancing motion with hands*
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