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Wild Horses: Oct 31, 2012; There's really no meaning in making beetles fight.

Been reading a bit about AfS in the last week. Whats the info on their support, and are these fucks actually close to 4%?

# ? Sep 8, 2018 14:50

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Wild Horses posted:

Been reading a bit about AfS in the last week. Whats the info on their support, and are these fucks actually close to 4%?

Welcome to 2018 friend

# ? Sep 8, 2018 14:54

BigglesSWE: Dec 2, 2014; How 'bout them hawks news huh!

Wild Horses posted:

Been reading a bit about AfS in the last week. Whats the info on their support, and are these fucks actually close to 4%?

I doubt it personally but I wouldn�t know for sure.

They get a lot of press obviously but that is probably coming from the fact that they are, essentially, the SS organization for SD in this 1930�s re-enactment.

# ? Sep 8, 2018 15:12

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Wild Horses posted:

Been reading a bit about AfS in the last week. Whats the info on their support, and are these fucks actually close to 4%?

Their support is not measurable in polls, so no. Not 4%.

E: I guess in theory they could be 100% of all who refuse to participate in polls...

# ? Sep 8, 2018 15:13

SplitSoul: Dec 31, 2000

I remember the old days when "bloc politics" was the greatest enemy. :allears:

# ? Sep 8, 2018 16:28

Beeswax: Dec 29, 2005; Grimey Drawer

AfS will most likely poll under 1% and then split into warring factions like its predecessors on the rightmost fringe, ND and SvP. But in these interesting times, I'd rather not be quoted on this �\_(ツ)_/�

# ? Sep 8, 2018 17:43

BigglesSWE: Dec 2, 2014; How 'bout them hawks news huh!

So apparently TV4 cut for commercial right in the middle of a live-sent debate with L�fven and Kristersson. (Like, literally in the middle of a sentence). I never thought that the peak-capitalism event would take place in Sweden but here we are.

# ? Sep 8, 2018 19:40

Dirk Pitt: Sep 14, 2007; haha yes, this feels good; Toilet Rascal

MiddleOne posted:

Ok so this is how swedish king-making works:

1. After the lection the prime-minister gets to choose if he resigns or stays, if he stays then the Riksdag has to have a vote in 2 weeks on him staying. In order to force the sitting prime minister to resign, 175 votes is required. If you fail to pass this limit (because others vote against or abstain) the current prime-minister sits and forms a new government.

With the way things are looking that means that the entire alliance + SD has to vote in order to oust L�fven by force.

2. If the prime-minister resigns or gets ousted by the above process then the talmansrunda starts. The Talman will then nominate a new prime minister and as with the rules above if a majority doesn't vote against then the proposal passes and that prime minister gets to form a government. If one candidate doesn't work then the Talman nominates another, and this goes on until someone doesn't have a majority against them.

This is what Ulf is hoping for as if SD doesn't oppose him then he can't get voted down by the left-bloc. He doesn't need SD to support him, he just needs them to not oppose him.

3. This is how you get so many minority government in Swedish history, as you only need a majority not-opposed to form government. But the catch is that for budgets and legislative changes majority rules apply. For example, with the budget process every party can propose a budget, and then everyone votes on the budgets at the same time with the one with the highest amounts of votes passing.

This means that in order to pass an Alliance budget, if the Alliance is smaller than the left-bloc, you'd need the implicit support of SD which would require bargaining with them. Tradition in the Riksdag used to be that parties only voted for their own proposals (which meant the largest coalitions budget always passed) but this tradition was broken early on in this term when SD caused the famous D� debacle by breaking tradition by voting for the Alliance budget (without fore-warning), making it pass instead of the governments. This has been avoided since by the alliance parties presenting budgets separately (with only KD and SD opposed) which has let government budgets pass despite SD breaking tradition.

�kesson has since promised that he will fail any budgets proposed by a government that doesn't negotiate with SD. This means that even if Alliance seizes government by say Ulf becoming prime minister, they're not passing budgets without giving SD concrete influence.

This brings us back to your original question. Since there is seems to be a majority against giving �kesson influence in the next term (V+MP+S+C+L) an Alliance government can theoretically oust L�fven (since that only requires a majority not opposed) but can't pass budgets or legislation (since C+V+L vetoes passing budgets with �kesson's stamp of approval). C & L could change their minds, but that would likely kill their parties since their voters don't like the idea of working with �kesson.

I don't know how to explain this in a simpler way, it's all a bit of a mess as you can see. Welcome to the hell that is going to be the next two weeks.

This is actually crystal clear. Is SVT a good place to watch tomorrow? (I don't know if there are better paid options)

On the topic of AfS. I saw a former coworker, who couldn't make it past the 6 months probationary period at my startup, participating in the recent AfS rally. I guess he hasn't found a job since we let him go... Likely blames all the immigrants we hire too.

# ? Sep 8, 2018 19:48

BigglesSWE: Dec 2, 2014; How 'bout them hawks news huh!

Dirk Pitt posted:

This is actually crystal clear. Is SVT a good place to watch tomorrow? (I don't know if there are better paid options)

On the topic of AfS. I saw a former coworker, who couldn't make it past the 6 months probationary period at my startup, participating in the recent AfS rally. I guess he hasn't found a job since we let him go... Likely blames all the immigrants we hire too.

SVT gives good coverage. SD are boycotting them this weekend because they officially denounced �kesson's claim that immigrants aren't Swedish and don't fit in (on the basis that it is, at the very least, a VERY broad statement, not to mention racist). So if you keep to SVT you won't get them shoved up your eyes every waking minute at least.

# ? Sep 8, 2018 19:53

Cardiac: Aug 28, 2012

Dirk Pitt posted:

This is actually crystal clear. Is SVT a good place to watch tomorrow? (I don't know if there are better paid options)

One thing MiddleOne(V) misses in this is that C+L have as much dislike for V as for SD. And being dependent on V is as much a killing blow for them as for being dependent on SD.

Also we have negative parliamentarism, so a majority of the parliament needs to disapprove of the ruling coalition as MiddleOne explains. Widar Andersson (S) elaborates:
http://www.folkbladet.se/9831679
Whether the ruling coalition will get their budget through is another question.

Cardiac fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Sep 8, 2018

# ? Sep 8, 2018 20:15

MiddleOne: Feb 17, 2011

Yes, I'm sure C and L will implode when we *checks notes* demand free transit cards for youth, free dental care for the young and elderly and more rental apartments being built. I mean it's basically full communism.

The V versus SD angle being pitched is a desperate attempt to convince their own voters that SD can be trusted so that the Alliance doesn't have to abandoned. Problem is that their voters aren't buying it.

EDIT: For reference, here is every single reform we demanded from S in the budget negotiations: https://www.vansterpartiet.se/app/uploads/2018/04/reformer-budget-18.pdf

MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Sep 8, 2018

# ? Sep 8, 2018 20:22

Beeswax: Dec 29, 2005; Grimey Drawer

Cardiac posted:

MiddleOne(V)

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# ? Sep 8, 2018 20:29

Dirk Pitt: Sep 14, 2007; haha yes, this feels good; Toilet Rascal

Dirk Pitt (V) if he could vote.

# ? Sep 8, 2018 20:42

BigglesSWE: Dec 2, 2014; How 'bout them hawks news huh!

BigglesS(V)e reporting in.

# ? Sep 8, 2018 20:51

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# ? Sep 8, 2018 21:33

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Beeswax posted:

AfS will most likely poll under 1% and then split into warring factions like its predecessors on the rightmost fringe, ND and SvP. But in these interesting times, I'd rather not be quoted on this �\_(ツ)_/�

It will be a fun repeat of history when the extremist fringe fractures again and again over who's more ideologically pure, only this time the (r) will stand for Rasisterna.

I hoped that AfS would have taken at least 2% off SD but having them fade into obscurity and infighting is good too.

# ? Sep 8, 2018 21:57

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# ? Sep 8, 2018 22:57

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Beeswax posted:

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What, for the Swedish election, or whatever party we vote for in our country? I'm a Moxnes fanboy through and through here in Norway (R�dt!), but if I were Swedish I'd vote V unless a more radical party became a viable prospective. Revolutionary Socialist, basically.

# ? Sep 9, 2018 01:18

Beeswax: Dec 29, 2005; Grimey Drawer

I was only joking. It just tickled me to see Cardiac tag MiddleOne with a party designation like that. I voted V though, for the record.

# ? Sep 9, 2018 01:58

Sayara: May 10, 2009

As someone who knows jackshit about sweden, are SD here the social democrats or swedish democracts? And do you think if SVT being political is a good thing or a bad thing? I usually like my national tv neutral, but there might be exceptions

# ? Sep 9, 2018 03:15

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Sayara posted:

As someone who knows jackshit about sweden, are SD here the social democrats or swedish democracts? And do you think if SVT being political is a good thing or a bad thing? I usually like my national tv neutral, but there might be exceptions

SD are the Sweden Democrats and S are the Social Democrats.

All broadcasters are political and have a point of view. They might say they are neutral but favoring the status quo or presenting all sides as equal is itself a political stance. SVT, NPR and the BBC are not neutral.

# ? Sep 9, 2018 03:43

Sayara: May 10, 2009

ted hitler posted:

SD are the Sweden Democrats and S are the Social Democrats.

All broadcasters are political and have a point of view. They might say they are neutral but favoring the status quo or presenting all sides as equal is itself a political stance. SVT, NPR and the BBC are not neutral.

Cheers. I kinda knew that all broadcasters have point of view, which is visible from their news, but it just seemed exceptional for the national views to take a stand like that.

# ? Sep 9, 2018 04:48

Zulily Zoetrope: Jun 1, 2011; Muldoon

SD might also be used to to designate the Danish social democrats, though they tend to go by S or A.

And (�), if anyone might be wondering.

# ? Sep 9, 2018 06:48

MiddleOne: Feb 17, 2011

Thank god logos are a thing this election finally.

# ? Sep 9, 2018 06:57

Rust Martialis: May 8, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Living in Denmark, seeing posters voting (V) hurts my brain a moment until I think 'oh, right. Swedes.'

Do Swedes have a library of sounds like Danes? i.e nååååh etc

# ? Sep 9, 2018 07:49

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Alhazred (SV)

# ? Sep 9, 2018 08:03

MiddleOne: Feb 17, 2011

Cardiac(?) you can't start this game and wuss out at the last second.

# ? Sep 9, 2018 08:06

Potrzebie: Apr 6, 2010; I may not know what I'm talking about, but I sure love cops! ^^ Boy, but that boot is just yummy!; Lipstick Apathy

(V. Nguyen Gi�p)

# ? Sep 9, 2018 08:43

Wild Horses: Oct 31, 2012; There's really no meaning in making beetles fight.

Potrzebie posted:

(V. Nguyen Gi�p)

But that�s pol pot

# ? Sep 9, 2018 08:54

Mordekai: Sep 6, 2006; Salt in the wound eases the soul.

That SVT was a gift basket to �kesons victim narrative.

# ? Sep 9, 2018 09:24

Zulily Zoetrope: Jun 1, 2011; Muldoon

We all know what Cardiac votes.

# ? Sep 9, 2018 09:31

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Zulily Zoetrope posted:

We all know what Cardiac votes.

Feministiskt Initiativ.

# ? Sep 9, 2018 09:57

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Mordekai posted:

That SVT was a gift basket to �kesons victim narrative.

�kesson said something blatantly racist, but lets focus on SVT instead.

# ? Sep 9, 2018 09:58

Wild Horses: Oct 31, 2012; There's really no meaning in making beetles fight.

Its a win win for SD they good at making those situation

# ? Sep 9, 2018 10:03

MiddleOne: Feb 17, 2011

Zulily Zoetrope posted:

We all know what Cardiac votes.

Demokraterna.

# ? Sep 9, 2018 10:37

Beeswax: Dec 29, 2005; Grimey Drawer

# ? Sep 9, 2018 10:41

Potrzebie: Apr 6, 2010; I may not know what I'm talking about, but I sure love cops! ^^ Boy, but that boot is just yummy!; Lipstick Apathy

Wild Horses posted:

But that�s pol pot

Well I didn't vote for him!

# ? Sep 9, 2018 10:57

BigglesSWE: Dec 2, 2014; How 'bout them hawks news huh!

I've voted. Will no go fishing and then spend the night with my Croatian girlfriend.

She asked me yesterday how big the risk is that she�ll get deported. While the risk is currently nonexistent, I feel a wholehearted gently caress YOU to this election cycle that caused her to question these things is in order.

BigglesSWE fucked around with this message at 12:11 on Sep 9, 2018

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McCloud: Oct 27, 2005

I was pretty surprised at how brazen Jimmy's comment was, and saddened that people are falling for his victim schtick yet again.

Good on L��f for calling him out, and lol at Jimmy's sexist response

# ? Sep 9, 2018 12:14

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