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Ace of Baes posted:they're banned for use against combatants, it's a war crime to drop white phosphorus on combatants It's ok to use White Phosphorus on military targets, but illegal to use it in civilian areas or on military targets embedded in civilian areas. But we say that we're not using it as a weapon so it's not illegal. It's the "an internal investigation determined that the officer followed proper procedures in this shooting" of international relations.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's ok to use White Phosphorus on military targets, but illegal to use it in civilian areas or on military targets embedded in civilian areas. But we say that we're not using it as a weapon so it's not illegal. It's also illegal to use on strictly military targets if you're using it on personnel, as you're using the toxic effects of the chemicals as a weapon versus using a chemical agent for smoke/cover. The UN has specifically clarified on this for WP, the US/Israel just doesn't care and does war crimes anyways because no one can do anything about it.
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 05:37 |
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Ace of Baes posted:It's also illegal to use on strictly military targets if you're using it on personnel, as you're using the toxic effects of the chemicals as a weapon versus using a chemical agent for smoke/cover. The UN has specifically clarified on this for WP, the US/Israel just doesn't care and does war crimes anyways because no one can do anything about it. I think what they do is make a distinction between the incendiary and "toxic" effects of WP. Like, exposure to spent WP will poison your body but that's not the same thing as using it for an incendiary weapon. The laws regulating use of WP as an incendiary weapon are just bad in general even before getting around to the point that there's no way to enforce them anyway.
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 05:44 |
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idk guys those idlib guys owned america hard in 2001
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 06:31 |
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Couldn't Russia and the US make a deal with Assad saying he can only do whatever is necessary to capture the oil fields in Idlib, and leave the rest alone? Without oil revenues the rebels won't be able to pose a threat Assad. Assad is assured dominance over Syria, and civilian casualties in Idlib are minimized.
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 06:43 |
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Ok but what happens to the rebel held areas? The 3 million people that western media keeps harping about are living in feudal conditions where they're ruled by street gangs with a Quranic vocabulary.
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 07:12 |
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russia would likely not agree to that and more importantly the syrian people would never accept that. this is a fight to the death and both sides understand that. the idlib campaign will be ugly and brutal but entirely necessary.
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 07:51 |
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oh i see, the civilians in idlib would rather live under assad then whoever governs them now. why would assad be preparing to gas the civilians then, wouldn't attacking military targets be enough since the civilians would welcome an SAA takeover?
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 09:16 |
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Same reason anybody else uses chemical warfare. urban fighting is hard. they’d rather end the war as soon as possible and risk a lot of dead civilians than have a long drawn out fight.
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 09:36 |
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Assad should consider doing what Grant did after the American Civil War and offer to pardon the rebel soldiers if they surrender and swear an oath to Syria.
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 09:54 |
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lol he isn't a wimp
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 09:58 |
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Assad, what is good in life?
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 09:59 |
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qkkl posted:Assad should consider doing what Grant did after the American Civil War and offer to pardon the rebel soldiers if they surrender and swear an oath to Syria. the syrian government has actually had a policy of reconciliation where they basically do that but the (mostly foreign) jihadis in idlib have made it clear that they will not stand down peacefully. a large number of the idlib rebels are not syrian, how will they reconcile with the state? doubtful that their home countries will want them back. there realistically arent many options here.
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 10:37 |
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I don't know about all of you but I'm happy to keep criticising military forces using indiscriminate weaponry in civilian areas whether it's the Syrians and Russia against Idlib, Israel against Gaza or the USA against Raqqa.
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 10:55 |
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1: many of the jihadi's in Idlib province originally occupied other parts of the country and have already been offered/refused reconciliation with the Syrian government at this point. as the great deceiver mentioned, many of them aren't even syrian born, and were only allowed to leave by the SAA to avoid a costly siege/fight to the death situation. that only kicked the problem down the road, and there's no real basis for reconciliation with those who are still fighting. 2: the USA after the civil war is pretty terrible example of reconciliation, since the reconstruction era is basically marked by amnestied confederate soldiers/officers forming clandestine reactionary paramilitary cells with the explicit intent of terrorizing anyone who was trying to transition the south away from a slave-based economy. sitting down and talking peace with a bunch of armed men who's entire political aim is to drive every alawite, shia, and druze into the sea isn't really an acceptable option for the syrian government. really, the only option I can see for the jihadi's and their families is if Turkey lets them flee into afrin/southeastern turkey, and resettle into towns emptied out by the ethnic cleansing of local kurds. that is obviously not a great option for the kurds, though!
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 11:08 |
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The d&d thread keeps saying there's alawite only traffic lanes in Damascus. Where are they getting that from?
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 12:46 |
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/03/15/the-alawite-lane/?utm_term=.270ceef6f51a From this no doubt unbiased and totally non-propagandistic piece of journalism from the Washington post.
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 13:16 |
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https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/1039140824955666432
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 15:24 |
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1038951459201667073 Well if U.S. officials say so, then it must be true, and it must also mean we should bomb Assad
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 16:59 |
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Assad: Hello my war planning and chemical weapons use approval group War Planning and Chemical Weapons Use Approval Group: Hello Assad Assad: I am calling you today to approve we use Chhorline Gas in Idlib, where we are make war. War Planning and Chemical Weapons Use Approval Group: Ok, I hope you don't mind we tell the U.S. Officials Assad: yes, sure
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 17:09 |
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Frijolero posted:Assad: Hello my war planning and chemical weapons use approval group
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 18:08 |
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any of you who are eating this stuff up from WaPo or NYT have the memory and political instincts of a gerbil
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 18:09 |
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Yeah, not even a cited source in the WSJ article unless I missed it.
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 18:31 |
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source: the cias rear end
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 21:59 |
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Lol'ing at the thought of Assad stamping a huge red stamp that says "APPROVED" on a file labelled "Using chemical weapons in Idlib?"
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# ? Sep 10, 2018 22:22 |
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Frijolero posted:Well if U.S. officials say so, then it must be true, and it must also mean we should bomb Assad
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THS posted:any of you who are eating this stuff up from WaPo or NYT have the memory and political instincts of a gerbil
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# ? Sep 11, 2018 09:19 |
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Wtf I love Turkey now!
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# ? Sep 11, 2018 09:58 |
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thatfatkid posted:Wtf I love Turkey now! from grey wolf to fire fox
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# ? Sep 11, 2018 10:05 |
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My favorite columnist has a piece in the WSJ. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-world-must-stop-assad-1536614148
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# ? Sep 11, 2018 10:20 |
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Hedenius posted:My favorite columnist has a piece in the WSJ. lmfao
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# ? Sep 11, 2018 10:20 |
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Hedenius posted:My favorite columnist has a piece in the WSJ.
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# ? Sep 11, 2018 12:43 |
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https://twitter.com/trolbietz/status/1039230290147921921?s=21
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# ? Sep 11, 2018 14:22 |
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rear end fat / rear end
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# ? Sep 11, 2018 14:26 |
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Happy Birthday to The Lion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgiyWGyJcIc Keep killing the savages and making neocons mad.
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# ? Sep 11, 2018 14:50 |
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never forget https://twitter.com/marcowenjones/status/1039578906330914817
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https://twitter.com/JackDetsch_ALM/status/1039614210722983937 This is ridiculous even without context, but protesters in Basra stormed Iran's embassy last week too. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-protests/iraqs-top-shiite-cleric-demands-end-to-violence-as-deadly-protests-rage-idUSKCN1LN1M9
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