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That’s how a villain like Omega should come back. A crucial character in Time Lord history whose return could shake the foundations of the universe asunder... menacing a tin dog.
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Nodosaur posted:That’s how a villain like Omega should come back. A crucial character in Time Lord history whose return could shake the foundations of the universe asunder... menacing a tin dog. Been done: http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/K9_and_the_Time_Trap_(novel)
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Sep 10, 2018 15:25
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Nodosaur posted:I don’t understand why some people get so frothingly angry about the Moffat era establishing that the Metacrisis Doctor’s regeneration counted. Getting hit head on by a Dalek’s beam which is most certainly fatal and then using half of the energy to GROW A WHOLE NEW PERSON is definitely something that sounds like something that should chew up one of the Doctor’s lives. My only gripe is that it was a wasted opportunity to say he "regenerated and kept the same face" instead of "regenerated into a second identical body". I'd have enjoyed that more as a silly line that's a reference to a real episode, along the lines of "nicked it off the Master in the Death Zone"
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Sep 10, 2018 15:39
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The updated K-9 design just flat out sucks. You can't mess with a classic.
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Sep 10, 2018 18:08
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Little late to the End of Time comments but I was just thinking that I didn’t like the whole HUNGRY Master thing and really hated it at the time. But looking back on it while it’s still kind of a hot mess, it redeemed itself a lot at the end if not solely from the “Master Race” line. Yep the Master once again threatens the universe just to be a dick to the Doctor with an awful pun. 
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Sep 10, 2018 19:31
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Doctor Zero posted:Little late to the End of Time comments but I was just thinking that I didn’t like the whole HUNGRY Master thing and really hated it at the time. But looking back on it while it’s still kind of a hot mess, it redeemed itself a lot at the end if not solely from the “Master Race” line. Yep the Master once again threatens the universe just to be a dick to the Doctor with an awful pun. Him talking about meat forever and they flying around and shooting lightning out of himself is hard to watch, but I like the Wilf parts of that two parter.
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Sep 10, 2018 19:48
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Bicyclops posted:Him talking about meat forever and they flying around and shooting lightning out of himself is hard to watch, but I like the Wilf parts of that two parter. I guess you can say he was a large ham and enjoyed chewing on the scenery
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Sep 10, 2018 20:04
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He looks really good with that white hair and just wants everyone to know it. The only thing wrong with The End of Time is there's not enough pop music.
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Sep 10, 2018 20:16
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I also like his line about "the whole stinking human DISGrace"
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Sep 10, 2018 20:21
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Did the plan come first or did he think of the pun and worked towards it? ...obviously the second one
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Sep 10, 2018 20:33
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I don’t know where this thread started to like dumb episodes, but it had to have happened recently.
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Sep 10, 2018 20:35
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*checks which show this thread is about* uh we've always liked dumb episodes
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Sep 10, 2018 20:47
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I think the biggest problem with "End of Time" is that it tries to do more than it has enough space or time for. An episode is spent on the subplot about the rich guy (and make no mistake, David Harewood's an actor I like and it'd have been great to see him in a more substantial part) trying to get immortality for his daughter takes up a lot of time, so the triumphant and terrifying return of the Time Lords amounts to Timothy Dalton standing on a platform for 10 minutes waving a Nintendo Power Glove about. Granted, they're 10 very entertaining minutes, but it still feels sort of disappointing even in retrospect.
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Sep 10, 2018 20:54
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They're putting out DVD box sets of 9 + 10's, 11's, and 12's complete runs in October.
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Sep 10, 2018 23:09
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Edward Mass posted:I don’t know where this thread started to like dumb episodes, but it had to have happened recently. Oh, I never said I liked it. I'm just saying when John Simm delivered that line I said, "You know what? Well played. I'm not even mad."
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https://twitter.com/Matt_Holsman/status/1039187912754126849
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Sep 10, 2018 23:41
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TL posted:Zygon...porn? Nickname of Zygon: When Being You Just Isn't Enough - not actually a porno. Just kinda pointless nudity and fake sex scenes for no real reason. A quick look into some of the spin off stuff is facinating - they're very strange, because they are Doctor Who fan films, but with creator officiated monsters, and appearances by Who actors, even former Doctors, mostly playing different characters. They even originated the character of Kate Lethbridge-Stewart in one of them. It's a strange loop of fans creating content when the show is basically dead - not just doing films, but radioplays (which would eventually evolve into Big Finish), and documentaries and interviews - and then some of that making its way back when the show revives. I'm not aware of anything comparable to that. They're still making some, even, one's even coming out next year. [e]: Found the cover of their Tom Baker documentary:  Rosie Ball [e2]: I watched it a few years back, and can tell you absolutely nothing about it, other than remembering some very uncomfortable naked actors, and a drawn out chase/fight scene at the end. VVV Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Sep 11, 2018 |
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Sep 11, 2018 01:30
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Pesky Splinter posted:Nickname of Zygon: When Being You Just Isn't Enough - not actually a porno. Just kinda pointless nudity and fake sex scenes for no real reason. My favourite bit is the 5 minute shopping montage.
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Sep 11, 2018 01:46
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Nodosaur posted:I don’t understand why some people get so frothingly angry about the Moffat era establishing that the Metacrisis Doctor’s regeneration counted. Getting hit head on by a Dalek’s beam which is most certainly fatal and then using half of the energy to GROW A WHOLE NEW PERSON is definitely something that sounds like something that should chew up one of the Doctor’s lives. It makes logical sense but I think the reason it feels a little in bad taste is because you know Moffat only did it so he could be the one to write about the Doctor being out of regeneration cycles. If he had known that he would be writing up to the end of Capaldi's run there's no doubt he would have saved it for then.
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Oh this is gorgeous. https://twitter.com/themindrobber/status/1039520998687744000
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The_Doctor posted:Oh this is gorgeous. Ooh. I like it.
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Sep 11, 2018 17:51
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I love those clear walls. Not sure about the console but the design is very nice.
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Sep 11, 2018 17:59
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Sweet Christmas, that face is going to give me nightmares.
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Sep 11, 2018 19:12
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With the exception of the console, which looks a little cheaper and a little more like a prop you might see in Doctor Who during the 70s, that looks like the J.J. Abrams version of the Tardis to me. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, it looks very slick.
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Senor Tron posted:It makes logical sense but I think the reason it feels a little in bad taste is because you know Moffat only did it so he could be the one to write about the Doctor being out of regeneration cycles. If he had known that he would be writing up to the end of Capaldi's run there's no doubt he would have saved it for then. And then we get the Time Lords farting more regenerations at him through a crack in the universe.  OMG however now that would have been an awesome way to do Jodie’s intro... Doctor: [gasping] That Cyberman blast did it. I’m regenerating but without the Time Lords I’m not sure what will happen. I’ll probably just die. Ack! [The Doctor falls over. His companions, grieving quietly file out of the Tardis.] [Unseen, a strange regeneration energy fills the control room. Jodie gets up from the floor] Doctor: Oh brilliant!
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Senor Tron posted:It makes logical sense but I think the reason it feels a little in bad taste is because you know Moffat only did it so he could be the one to write about the Doctor being out of regeneration cycles. If he had known that he would be writing up to the end of Capaldi's run there's no doubt he would have saved it for then. Okay but... why is it in bad taste? The alternative is Handy being this consequence-free trick that makes no sense as to why someone hasn't tried it to be functionally immortal already. Heck, it raises the question of why the Doctor hasn't tried it before now, since the whole "can regrow something within the first 15 hours of a regeneration" seemed to be a well known fact to him judging by the way he put it in his first episode. The whole thing is just a bit too overly convenient and has absolutely no repercussions for the Doctor other than him getting to lecture Handy at the end of Journey's End. Honestly, the whole thing seems to have resulted in a net gain for everything involved. It gave us a great new character in the form of the War Doctor, gave us a great send-off for Eight, and made Ten's breakdown over the course of the specials leading up to "The End of Time" have more gravitas, making it seem less like he's being selfish and unreasonable about a fact of life for Time Lords and instead casts it as him becoming frightfully aware of his own mortality as he's approaching what he believes to be his final life cycle. Steven Moffat isn't a perfect writer by any means and I have a lot of issues with him as a person and the things he said, but. He saw his opportunity and took it, and it worked out pretty well for pretty much everyone involved. So the guy's guilty of... really wanting to write something, and taking totally reasonable measures to achieve it that only add to what came before. How is that in bad taste??? And I'm not saying Moffat has never written anything in bad taste. He definitely has, in ways that vary from vaguely to overtly offensive. That stuff is worth calling out. This? This is something I can't help but see as anything but a good idea that worked out pretty well.
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I'm mostly just glad the idea of the Doctor having an exact number of regenerations has been put to rest until some other writer decides to resurrect it, which, God willing, they won't.
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Yeah, if all you have to do is chop your hand off right when you regenerate and keep it handy (yuck yuck) to make your next regeneration not count, surely all the Timelords would have been at it. That would have been a funny vision of Gallifrey in End Of Time though, if everyone had a hand or foot just chilling in a formaldehyde jar on the table
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Sep 11, 2018 21:53
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2house2fly posted:Yeah, if all you have to do is chop your hand off right when you regenerate and keep it handy (yuck yuck) to make your next regeneration not count, surely all the Timelords would have been at it. That would have been a funny vision of Gallifrey in End Of Time though, if everyone had a hand or foot just chilling in a formaldehyde jar on the table This just opens up a "Horrifically terrifying and uncaring efficient group of wizards from the Troughton era" vs "Moron imperialists driven by tradition over everything who spend their days slipping on banana peels while tricksters clown on them from the Baker and beyond era" debate.
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The 15 hours thing doesn’t hold water at all from a continuity point of view. Christmas Invasion starts in daylight with the TARDIS crashing, which for Christmas Eve in London means it’s about 3pm at the absolute latest for there to be that much light still. Sunrise is at about 8am on Christmas morning, so you’ll have a bit of light before that, and you can have people standing on buildings around then. But with the Doctor’s swordfight very definitely in the sunlight (and quite high in the sky), you’re still definitely in the 18+ hour ball park by then.
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Nodosaur posted:Okay but... why is it in bad taste? The alternative is Handy being this consequence-free trick that makes no sense as to why someone hasn't tried it to be functionally immortal already. Heck, it raises the question of why the Doctor hasn't tried it before now, since the whole "can regrow something within the first 15 hours of a regeneration" seemed to be a well known fact to him judging by the way he put it in his first episode. The whole thing is just a bit too overly convenient and has absolutely no repercussions for the Doctor other than him getting to lecture Handy at the end of Journey's End. The execution could have been better in the end, but yeah, I'm with you. I don't give a drat that Moffat wanted to write away the 12-regeneration limit and the means by which he did it more or less worked and resulted in more good than bad.
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Bicyclops posted:I'm mostly just glad the idea of the Doctor having an exact number of regenerations has been put to rest until some other writer decides to resurrect it, which, God willing, they won't. There was definitely a scene in Series 9 or 10 where Capaldi coyly implies that he might never stop regenerating now, and I really hope they decide to run with that.
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I know it's not a popular opinion, but I'm glad Moffat took that story hook and ran with it. Yes, it was selfish of him to do so, he was clearly trying to tick every "Big Moment" box from a list he probably wrote when he was 9. But it's done, he told a good story around it, so I'm fine with it. However now that it's been done, I see no reason to revisit it down the road with the 25th Doctor or whatever.
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I think it's cool that he took that "big moment" and deliberately didn't make a big moment out of it. The Doctor doesn't even bring up that he's on his final regeneration until halfway through his final episode, and it's just a throwaway line as part of a conversation about something else. That and the way he just gets new regenerations in an instant basically communicate that the whole regeneration limit thing is pretty unimportant(at least to the Doctor). Though I suppose you could say that taking this famous piece of lore and using it as justification for an episode where the Doctor dies of old age is indulgent in its own way as well
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Sep 12, 2018 02:22
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Capaldi's line in Doctor Who and the Space Spiders is a neat little throwaway line too, where he says,"Who knows how many times I'll regenerate? I have no idea! Maybe forever?"
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that just makes me imagine a scenario where the Doctor's regeneration is sent into overdrive and he cycles through a new incarnation every five minutes, each time played by a different British celebrity, before ending with one final sequence where he's Christopher Eccleston again, only for him to scream at the end of an absurdly short sequence that "THAT F@#$ING FIGURES DOENSN'T IT?" before he's Jodie Whitaker again
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"How many regenerations did we grant you? I've got all night"
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Nodosaur posted:that just makes me imagine a scenario where the Doctor's regeneration is sent into overdrive and he cycles through a new incarnation every five minutes, each time played by a different British celebrity, before ending with one final sequence where he's Christopher Eccleston again, only for him to scream at the end of an absurdly short sequence that "THAT F@#$ING FIGURES DOENSN'T IT?" before he's Jodie Whitaker again That's essentially The Curse of Fatal Death.
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2house2fly posted:Yeah, if all you have to do is chop your hand off right when you regenerate and keep it handy (yuck yuck) to make your next regeneration not count, surely all the Timelords would have been at it. That would have been a funny vision of Gallifrey in End Of Time though, if everyone had a hand or foot just chilling in a formaldehyde jar on the table Kinda puts the Hand of Omega into a whole new context, doesn't it? "And didn't we have trouble with the prototype..." (Flashback) "Hold still Omega! I have to cut just right... no, you flinched again. The Fingernail of Omega just isn't going to cut it, if you'll pardon the expression." (Flashback ends) "Er... I meant 'they.'"
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The_Doctor posted:The 15 hours thing doesn’t hold water at all from a continuity point of view. Geez, The_Doctor, what are you, some kind of "Lord of Time?"
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