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reminder that even if Ontario had PR it would have a minority Doug Ford Conservative government propped up by the Liberal party doing the exact same poo poo they're doing now
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Sep 11, 2018 01:30
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meh. without making it a confidence motion bill 5 itself would never have been passed with a minority government
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lol this guy is just bursting with original thoughts and ideas https://twitter.com/johnkeillor/status/1038205063716462592 https://twitter.com/johnkeillor/status/1036691358595964930 https://twitter.com/johnkeillor/status/1036675555674877952 https://twitter.com/johnkeillor/status/1035878601151762432 Juul-Whip has issued a correction as of 01:39 on Sep 11, 2018 |
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and had the liberals not kamikazed themselves into the ndp, we would also have either a conservative or ndp minority government. even with FPTP
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yeah, #onpol and #topoli are just loving golden right now, glowing with the radiant heat of a billion hot takes
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infernal machines posted:yeah, #onpol and #topoli are just loving golden right now, glowing with the radiant heat of a billion hot takes the conservatives have discovered botnets and oh boy are we in for a treat on social media, forever
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infernal machines posted:and had the liberals not kamikazed themselves into the ndp, we would also have either a conservative or ndp minority government. even with FPTP
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it's flattering to see MAGA chuds from across the country suddenly taking an interest in toronto municipal politics
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you don’t get to make that assumption. there’s no universe in which liberals hate the conservatives more than they hate the ndp sorry.
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infernal machines posted:it's flattering to see MAGA chuds from across the country suddenly taking an interest in toronto municipal politics you can tell which ones are chuds because they, completely unprompted, suddenly get insanely mad about canadian dairy farms
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lol u mean mafia government monopoly run corrupt dairy industry??????
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thank you for the demonstration Baloogan
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infernal machines posted:and had the liberals not kamikazed themselves into the ndp, we would also have either a conservative or ndp minority government. even with FPTP Why do you keep saying this? It's like "gosh if only that darn wynne had said hey everybody do NOT vote for Liberals, you know what let's just pull all our candidates to be safe, we will cease being a political entity so that infernal machines' party can win this election". I declare that may be the most ridiculous thing to blame wynne for that's ever been posted on these forums. Say like "had the ndp not horwathed again" or something, take some responsibility.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Why do you keep saying this? It's like "gosh if only that darn wynne had said hey everybody do NOT vote for Liberals, you know what let's just pull all our candidates to be safe, we will cease being a political entity so that infernal machines' party can win this election". I declare that may be the most ridiculous thing to blame wynne for that's ever been posted on these forums. Say like "had the ndp not horwathed again" or something, take some responsibility. So what was Horwath's last minute fumble again? Or is it last minute Ford brilliance? If it isn't those things, what could have possibly happened?
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ManlyGrunting posted:I'm glad you haven't yet drunk yourself to death old friend thanks 
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Why do you keep saying this? It's like "gosh if only that darn wynne had said hey everybody do NOT vote for Liberals, you know what let's just pull all our candidates to be safe, we will cease being a political entity so that infernal machines' party can win this election". I declare that may be the most ridiculous thing to blame wynne for that's ever been posted on these forums. Say like "had the ndp not horwathed again" or something, take some responsibility. the liberals, knowing they were looking at a single digit seat count, ran on a platform of "don't let the ndp get a majority". that was it, that was 100% of their campaign. if you don't call that kamikazing, i don't know what you would call it. ndp voters turned out, liberal voters who might have gone ndp voted for candidates that had no chance and came in as distant thirds, splitting the vote by just enough to hand cons seats in dozens of riding by margins of a thousand votes or less.
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of course, it worked. the ndp did not get a majority. the responsibility is theirs, because there was no need to actively campaign against the second place party just because they were polling a distant third. infernal machines has issued a correction as of 03:05 on Sep 11, 2018 |
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EvidenceBasedQuack posted:So what was Horwath's last minute fumble again? The real bad guy here is first past the post I guess but that was there from the start. PCs had enough support to win from the start and nothing changed it. PCs need less support to win than the NDPs because of efficient voter distribution so they were certainly the underdogs. Charitably, the NDP failed to communicate their platform or make it appealing. Realistically, most people did understand the ndp platform, messaging and core values and still just voted PC or Lib because they aren't interested in that kind of thing and just want to afford a bit more groceries or porsches or grolsches every week. I guess they're kind of political scabs? I think it's day dreaming to think that this election was the ndp's to win if only the libs hadn't X, you're giving too much non existent progressive credit to the people who showed up to vote. NDP were never going to win.
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infernal machines posted:of course, it worked. the ndp did not get a majority. 
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Postess with the Mostest posted:The real bad guy here is first past the post I guess but that was there from the start. PCs had enough support to win from the start and nothing changed it. PCs need less support to win than the NDPs because of efficient voter distribution so they were certainly the underdogs. Charitably, the NDP failed to communicate their platform or make it appealing. Realistically, most people did understand the ndp platform, messaging and core values and still just voted PC or Lib because they aren't interested in that kind of thing and just want to afford a bit more groceries or porsches or grolsches every week. I guess they're kind of political scabs? I think it's day dreaming to think that this election was the ndp's to win if only the libs hadn't X, you're giving too much non existent progressive credit to the people who showed up to vote. NDP were never going to win. There's a pretty big difference between a minority and majority government. I am 100% saying the current PCPO majority is the fault of the OLP
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Libs are gonna lib. It's not their job or interest to tell people to strategically vote for another party. This is on the same level as saying Harper's majority was the Jack Layton's fault for existing and being more popular than Ignatieff.
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They don't have to tell people to vote for another party. They can decline to run candidates in ridings where they're polling below the margin of error, or more practically, just not tell people that they have to vote Liberal to prevent an NDP majority.
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infernal machines posted:the liberals, knowing they were looking at a single digit seat count, ran on a platform of "don't let the ndp get a majority". that was it, that was 100% of their campaign. if you don't call that kamikazing, i don't know what you would call it. Couldn't disagree more, looking at a single digit seat count, they ran on a campaign of pure self preservation. They had tons of anti doug stuff, way more than the NDP. Ads starting way back, realdougford website, tons of tweets. As for vote splitting, you don't get to say 100% of those lib votes would have gone ndp if libs weren't there because ontarians are terrible and at best it's a 2:1 ndp:pc ratio but I don't think it was that high by the end. The polls were steady the whole election, nothing the libs did or could have done (short of drastic things like disappearing) screwed the ndp chances. Here are the big reasons PCs won, in order. #1. FPTP #2. Ontarians are terrible #2a. The Ontarians who didn't show up to vote #4. Uninspiring NDP campaign Here is a ridiculous thing to say: "The lowest approval having ever conservative acting liberals who privatized hydro did not direct their resources to appropriately support their progressive rivals in the last election so the progressives only got a minority". I mean, maybe it is true but it seems like a very unlikely thing to blame for the state of affairs. Blame the pc majority on the liberals because of years of terrible governing, privatization, kickbacks, scams, negligent deaths, autistic kids kicked out of therapy wait lines, not because of the last week of their campaign. The rebel media cruise ship of ontarian anger can't change course that quickly.
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the issue isn't that the ndp didn't get a minority, it's that they split the vote in otherwise "progressive" ridings so badly that the PCPO got a majority. following three successive liberal governments they salted the earth so badly that previously safe lib ridings went PCPO
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If those "progressives" are so smart and "progressive", why did they vote for the OLP?
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well that's why it's in quotes, innit? also, because in 2014 the ONDP hosed themselves sideways with an abysmal campaign in which the OLP legitimately managed to look almost at least as progressive. e: and apparently a non-zero number of people who grew up in Ontario in the 90s think the NDP poo poo the bed under Bob Rae infernal machines has issued a correction as of 03:42 on Sep 11, 2018 |
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infernal machines posted:well that's why it's in quotes, innit? Back to the start of the argument, the ndps were never going to win because there aren't enough nonquotes progressives. Looking at the amount of people who voted OLP this time with let's say their last 8 years fresh in our minds and the number of people that voted for Doug Ford with his face, there does not and was not the progressive base to stop a doug ford majority this election. Forget liberal attack ads, had the liberals pulled every candidate, I posit that OPCs still would have won a majority
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i'll concede the point because good lord who loving cares at this point? one way or another we have a conservative majority that's about to use the nuclear option to ignore the charter and deny citizens their rights to settle a petty grudge the premier has with a city where he couldn't quite hack it. and they've stated they have every intention of doing so again, whenever they find the rights of the citizens inconvenient to their agenda.
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Sep 11, 2018 03:55
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Sorry, not sorry.
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infernal machines posted:the issue isn't that the ndp didn't get a minority, it's that they split the vote in otherwise "progressive" ridings so badly that the PCPO got a majority.
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it's also not their job to tank the second place campaign by fearmongering over a majority, but that didn't slow them down none. anyway, consider it dropped. the OLP is cool and good and just the best darn party ever, who ran a clean campaign for a better ontario.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Why do you keep saying this? It's like "gosh if only that darn wynne had said hey everybody do NOT vote for Liberals, you know what let's just pull all our candidates to be safe, we will cease being a political entity so that infernal machines' party can win this election". I declare that may be the most ridiculous thing to blame wynne for that's ever been posted on these forums. Say like "had the ndp not horwathed again" or something, take some responsibility. you do know that the liberals actively spread disinformation about how a minority government works to torpedo the ndp right
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they purposely sabotaged the side they claim to be on because they would rather have doug loving ford, a man who's brain is 50% cocaine and 50% lust for mayorship, than someone who is even the tiniest hair to the left pretending otherwise is dumb, and trying to semantics your way out of that fact is super dumb
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they're on the side of the Liberal Party. it's dumb to expect or call on them to live up to any expectations beyond that it also becomes easier to hate them when you realize they aren't on your "side" at all
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