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Zurai posted:Just FYI, the Magia System is an utter trash fire at launch. Wow, this sounds like a really good way to kill the game for a lot of people.
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Sep 12, 2018 00:08
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I mean, it makes sense, Brave Exvius is wildly successful (citation needed) and FFRK wants to be wildly successful, so why not rip off all of BE's absolute worst decisions? 
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Sep 12, 2018 00:13
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I mean that sounds bad, but also like the kind of bad where you can just ignore it entirely until you eventually get some of the bonuses by accident. But I'm not the kind of guy who tries to grind out every marginal advantage, and I'm certainly not that with this game. If you are that type of player, then yeah it sounds like a bad time.
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Sep 12, 2018 00:20
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That sounds a lot like the tire fire that was grinding up gear in DFFOO. In general that game had a lot of silly grinding that quickly burned me out. I otherwise liked the actual gameplay, but all the bullshit surrounding it was just  for my will to keep going.
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Sep 12, 2018 00:42
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this is the opposite of a trash fire and folks need to chill the hell out "oh no the buffs aren't huge and they stack exactly like equipment does and they take forever to get!" yeah, that's a good thing what, were you expecting to get +50% wind damage by grinding for a few dozen hours at fabul castle? if they were big buffs, then the devs would eventually have to assume that hardcore players have them, and would start balancing content around them gently caress, do you really want to spend a few dozen hours grinding every set of 5 characters you plan on using? seriously? now: if you bring a level 99 character to a fight, you not only get nothing, you lose out thanks to the the opportunity cost of giving that exp to a character who could use it (this is bad) eventually: if you bring a level 99 character to a fight, you get an upgrade point to maybe spend some day (this is good) what some people seem to want: trust master rewards from ffbe (this fucks up game balance entirely)
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Sep 12, 2018 01:07
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hey girl you up posted:gently caress, do you really want to spend a few dozen hours grinding every set of 5 characters you plan on using? seriously? TLDR: Yes, people will actually do that. I should know because I used to be one of them.
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Sep 12, 2018 01:26
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I was expecting magia XP to scale with actual XP, or stamina consumed, or battle difficulty, or literally anything else that would make it so that the objectively best way to get it isn't to endlessly grind Mako Reactor #1 forever. Also actual XP is so easy to get these days that the opportunity cost of using a level 99 character isn't even a consideration.
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Sep 12, 2018 01:33
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people can still do it. so what? if they enjoy playing the game that way, more power to them. the "trash fire" rewards are small enough that even when they do, even if a character has +500 HP and +100 to every stat and +10% of every elemental damage and resist, they won't get a meaningful enough boost to matter when the devs design new bosses. so they can grind away and max all their characters and post a screenshot on reddit for reddit points and fame and be happy, but i don't have to and i can be happy too
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Sep 12, 2018 01:39
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If the rewards are so trivial then why even add them?
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Sep 12, 2018 01:42
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hey girl you up posted:people can still do it. so what? if they enjoy playing the game that way, more power to them.
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Sep 12, 2018 01:49
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The Resist's not stacking with Armor resists is the stupidest thing. But yeah the mechanic seems ill conceived to begin with. There's already an abundant amount of ways to make characters base stats stronger, we didn't really need another.
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Sep 12, 2018 01:54
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Realms On Parade Parade 0 dropped a Duece on me, and gave me his Eye For Detail LMR (Feathered Cap). Parade FFT shanked me with Ramza's Battle Cry BSB (Kiyomori). Parade 15 Gladiown'd me with Gladio's LMR (Prince's Pillar). Parade 14 Dusted me with Ysale's BSB (Shiva: Diamond Dust). I don't feel so good... Parade 13 fisted me with Snow's BSB (A Hero Rides).
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Sep 12, 2018 02:08
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Fister Roboto posted:If the rewards are so trivial then why even add them? This exactly. Offering the option to grind an insane amount (assuming no macros -- and we don't know DeNA's stance on macros yet!) for bonuses that are largely completely negligible, or to just ignore the system all together and maybe a year from now you'll have a couple of those negligible bonuses -- what's the point of the system then? Again, it takes four hundred and fifty battles to max your first enhancement (subsequent ones take increasingly longer because of course they do). I don't think I've fought four hundred and fifty battles with the same character in the last year playing JP. All that for +500 HP? +100 attack that will just ram you even harder against the softcap? What is the point of making such a big deal about the system when your choices are grind your face off for miniscule rewards, or alternately just ignore it? It's a terribly, terribly designed and implemented system. Zurai fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Sep 12, 2018 |
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Sep 12, 2018 02:15
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Shoenin posted:The Resist's not stacking with Armor resists is the stupidest thing. It's silly in roughly the same way that Crystal Water is, in that it's a meaningless, uninteresting thing tacked onto the game, but also doesn't do anything to make things actively worse.
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Sep 12, 2018 02:19
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Got Noel's LMR! Ice boost I'm down
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Sep 12, 2018 02:23
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Also if we want to talk about opportunity cost, this system is going to make it so that literally everything you do in the game is going to cost you [ stamina cost - 1 ] magia points per character.rujasu posted:It's silly in roughly the same way that Crystal Water is, in that it's a meaningless, uninteresting thing tacked onto the game, but also doesn't do anything to make things actively worse. But that's because crystal water is limited in quantity. You can't grind to get more. If you could get a crystal water for every 100 record dungeons you do, it would make the game worse.
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Sep 12, 2018 02:24
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Kheldarn posted:Realms On Parade Deuce is a girl  (also you spelled her name wrong)
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Sep 12, 2018 02:30
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Fister Roboto posted:But that's because crystal water is limited in quantity. You can't grind to get more. If you could get a crystal water for every 100 record dungeons you do, it would make the game worse. Again, it would make the game worse for people who want to grind everything out. People like me won't give a poo poo. I haven't finished most of the 4* magicites. I have the gear to beat them all, I just don't feel like it. So I'm not really disagreeing with you, it's a net negative because it won't improve anyone's gameplay experience, just saying it doesn't have to be a problem if you don't want it to be.
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Sep 12, 2018 02:32
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"If you ignore a bad thing then it's not bad" isn't good advice.
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Sep 12, 2018 02:41
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Spamming stamina-cheap dungeons for magic points has tie be weighed against the reward cost of doing dungeons with better completion rewards. Somehow I don’t think it will edge out the gold, greens, orbs, and crystals from dailies, unless you’re absolutely tippy-top tier and have never wasted any stamina before.
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Sep 12, 2018 02:52
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Realms on Parade: 0: Ace OSB  FFT: Mustadio BSB  XV: Prompto BSB (dupe)  XIV: Y'shtola LMR  XIII: Noel LMR 
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Sep 12, 2018 04:17
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It's a good LMR if you have Other poo poo for Noel, since there's no ability school restriction, meaning it affects SBs too. More importantly, though, it's ever elusive +ice armor, that literally everyone can wear, no less! A Good Pull.
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Sep 12, 2018 04:34
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Cattail Prophet posted:It's a good LMR if you have Other poo poo for Noel, since there's no ability school restriction, meaning it affects SBs too. More importantly, though, it's ever elusive +ice armor, that literally everyone can wear, no less! A Good Pull. I think I do have Other poo poo for Noel, actually... ...yup, USB and BSB. Worth a dive, then?
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Sep 12, 2018 05:09
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Starting today, FFRK crashes on launch. Tried rebooting, uninstall, et cetera. Any other reports of this? E: yup, looks like I'm not the only one. Bruceski fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Sep 12, 2018 |
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Sep 12, 2018 05:14
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rujasu posted:So I'm not really disagreeing with you, it's a net negative because it won't improve anyone's gameplay experience, just saying it doesn't have to be a problem if you don't want it to be. Yeah, on consideration it's not nearly as bad as BE's trust mastery bullshit just because it doesn't actually impact you in any meaningful way but that makes it even more pointless and "why is this even here". Chances are they'll either rehaul it quickly or just forget it ever existed. Like Crystal Water. And Gyshal sales. And, in Global, the Newcomer Dungeons. IllegallySober posted:I think I do have Other poo poo for Noel, actually... Noel's in a weird spot sort of like Wol is in that he doesn't really have any niche he excels in, because until we got New Skillsets, he had a bunch of poo poo at 4* that was basically just taking up space. (Now, he has 5* Sharpshooter, which is actually Really Solid, but he has to compete with the likes of Umaro/Laguna for those Icicle Shots.) His LMs are solid, so it's not like you'd be wasting motes, but check to make sure he has a spot on your ice teams before committing to it, I'd say. KataraniSword fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Sep 12, 2018 |
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Sep 12, 2018 05:47
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Serah USB. Well it's not a dupe.
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Sep 12, 2018 05:52
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Looks like a perfectly good ice mage USB. Hey, if you don't want it, I'll swap you my pulls so far: 0: King SSB T: Ramza SSB (dupe) XV: Noctis LMR (dupe) XIV: Cid LMR (dupe) XIII: Sazh SSB Hopefully I'm saving all my luck for Laguna's chain in the Quinoa banner...
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Sep 12, 2018 06:21
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Realms on Parade!!!! 0: Deuce SSB T: Orlandeau USB (dupe) 15: Ignis LMR 14: Estinien LMR 13: Vanille USB Finally an instant cast source of last stand, although the rest of it seems rather meh
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Sep 12, 2018 06:44
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KataraniSword posted:Noel's in a weird spot sort of like Wol is in that he doesn't really have any niche he excels in, because until we got New Skillsets, he had a bunch of poo poo at 4* that was basically just taking up space. (Now, he has 5* Sharpshooter, which is actually Really Solid, but he has to compete with the likes of Umaro/Laguna for those Icicle Shots.) His LMs are solid, so it's not like you'd be wasting motes, but check to make sure he has a spot on your ice teams before committing to it, I'd say. You know, I've never looked at Noel's dive before because other than his LMR all I have for him is some old garbage. Now that I have... holy poo poo that's a good dive. It's literally Orlandeau's dive, which is kind of insane actually. Pure +physical damage nodes that stack multiplicatively with everything are pretty spicy.
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Sep 12, 2018 06:45
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KataraniSword posted:Noel's in a weird spot sort of like Wol is in that he doesn't really have any niche he excels in, because until we got New Skillsets, he had a bunch of poo poo at 4* that was basically just taking up space. (Now, he has 5* Sharpshooter, which is actually Really Solid, but he has to compete with the likes of Umaro/Laguna for those Icicle Shots.) His LMs are solid, so it's not like you'd be wasting motes, but check to make sure he has a spot on your ice teams before committing to it, I'd say. Laguna wants to use Freezing Snipe, so Noel is really only fighting with Umaro and maaaybe Fran.
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Sep 12, 2018 06:51
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Noel is one of two, MAYBE three ice sharpshooter specialists and has white 4* besides, and also is probably the best physical DPS in XIII realm. He was mediocre before, but both of his USBs are super solid and I don't get why people keep badmouthing him 
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Sep 12, 2018 06:59
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I mean I guess it makes sense that Sazh HAS a USB, but if you asked me what it did I wouldn't have been able to tell you until two minutes ago when I pulled it. I do need more faithgas, I guess.
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Sep 12, 2018 07:30
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Snow USB. It's... A thing? That does stuff? I could see the borderline use if tanks were a thing but hey! Staying positive! It's not another Sazh LMR.
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Sep 12, 2018 08:03
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Elemental radiant shields are legit if you can run them with a chain. Snow’s main issue is really just that icicle rush sucks compared to other 5* abilies I think - but even then a lot of resesment against him is because for the longest time he didn’t even have that.
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Sep 12, 2018 09:58
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 So uh...  How about that Octopath Traveler? Datamining shows that Primrose's Necklace is a +MAG, Dark Resist accessory, we get Octopath Traveler -Main Theme- as a music record, and there's 2 Souls of a Hero, 2 Memory Crystals, 2 Memory Crystal IIs, and 2 Memory Crystal IIIs as rewards in the event. Also multiplayer battles. 
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Sep 12, 2018 10:21
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Pretty underwhelming colab, though maybe kh just spoiled us. Not gonna say no to extra mythril though. 
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Sep 12, 2018 10:25
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I don't think there's anything wrong with a small themed collab. It's just a bit silly how much they hyped it.
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Sep 12, 2018 12:29
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Panic! at Nabisco posted:Noel is one of two, MAYBE three ice sharpshooter specialists and has white 4* besides, and also is probably the best physical DPS in XIII realm. He was mediocre before, but both of his USBs are super solid and I don't get why people keep badmouthing him Have you played any game Noel is in?
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Sep 12, 2018 13:11
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Attestant posted:I don't think there's anything wrong with a small themed collab. It's just a bit silly how much they hyped it. Wonder how they’ll evaluate it’s sucess if it doesn’t come with a gem/mythril sink.
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Sep 12, 2018 14:58
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Update killed my game, automatically closes it on launch. No daily pull for me!
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