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Cessna posted:I seriously considered it at one point. Same here, but in strange way I was lucky to get a bad grade in my MA History thesis and couldn't do a PhD after that. Now I work IT and can afford re-enactment and other stuff.
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Ataxerxes posted:re-enactment What do you do? I did a bit years ago, but haven't kept up with it.
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bewbies posted:just now learned that GULAG was an acronym everything in the soviet union was an acronym
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HEY GUNS posted:well, not ALL the problems they have today. They also had way more stabbings. They'd ALL be published? Jesus christ, they were probably doing it intentionally
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bewbies posted:I try and hire people with advanced history degrees as much as possible because their writing and research skills are usually pretty good. Keep fighting the good fight. Not many people in hiring roles do. Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Sep 11, 2018 |
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Geisladisk posted:However, "not intentionally and actively killing people" is just about the lowest bar imaginable, gulags were real bad, and as a socialist I find modern Stalin apologists to be painfully embarrassing. This. Also point them at A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich.
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feedmegin posted:This. Also point them at A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich. Maybe that was just a really bad day hmmm
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zoux posted:Maybe that was just a really bad day hmmm Maybe he was an especially heinous criminal. Also, everyone else in the book, and in Stalinist USSR
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I'm reading a memoir of a Canadian pilot in WW2 and, unfortunately it was never properly completed because the author died while writing it. So one of the last, larger chapters is basically transcribed letters between the author and other pilots slap fighting about which plane had the biggest yoke and I'm just here laughing because we haven't changed at all, its just on computers now and by people who've never even sat in the respective cockpits of the planes we argue about.
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zoux posted:Maybe that was just a really bad day hmmm The book, which is really worth reading, ends by saying that there were 3652 days just like this in his sentence. The extra days were for leap years. Obviously an exaggeration but the way the final sentence closes out the book in such a fitting way really blew my mind the first time I read it. Zeond fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Sep 11, 2018 |
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13th KRRC War Diary, 11th September 1918 posted:Orders for the attack were issued (see appendix A) and all details of the scheme were gone through carefully with company commanders. The mentioned maps aren't present, unfortunately. I'll check the rest of the Brigade to see if they have them. Battalion orders -   Brigade orders -   While we're here, the Battalion commander was wounded in August. Here he is - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Jackson_(British_Army_officer) An Olympic gold medal and Brigadier before age 28 isn't bad going. It's hard to know what proportion of the Battalion's wounded died, recovered and returned to active service, or received a "blighty' and were out of the war. I was going to try a bit of analysis for the 100 days offensive but it turns out there is no strength report at the end of September which puts a bit of a stop to that. Getting any numbers together would be a much bigger job.
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JcDent posted:Pro-tip: don't. It's painful to read. Well, I got to this post 47 chapters too late.
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Cessna posted:What do you do? My group does the Savolax Infantry Regiment of the 30 Years War (I'm Finnish), I'm usually a pikeman and sometimes drummer as getting a permit for even a muzzle loading blackpowder gun is a bother here (you could own an actual, old piece without a permit but not a modern reproduction).
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SlothfulCobra posted:As I understand it, there's a degree to which the higher echelons of education are some kind of weird luxury entertainment. People who enjoy bettering themselves to very little real-world benefit. zoux posted:I posted a thing in the IOSM thread in PYF but it occurs to me that I don't know anything about gulags so is this true at all: read lkolyma tales
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Gaius Marius posted:You know the level of disgust you feel instinctively when someone says that slavery in the US wasn't that bad or that the Holocaust wasn't real? that's the level of disgust you should feel for the poo poo that dude was saying.
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Stalin had some good ideas he just got sidetracked
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bewbies posted:just now learned that GULAG was an acronym
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Milo and POTUS posted:They'd ALL be published? Jesus christ, they were probably doing it intentionally publish AND perish, my dudes 
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HEY GUNS posted:it is the moral equivalent of holocaust denial and the fact that we don't ban you on sight for it like for holocaust denial is a stain on the forums This post would probably get you even probated on some forums here. And the last time someone made a holocaust denial thread here he only got a short probation.
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HEY GUNS posted:everything in the ussr was an acronym, everything in germany was (and still is) whatever the syllable version of an acronym is Acronyms can be just the initials as well as being syllables. The main distinction some people stick by is that if you can't pronounce it as a word you call it an initialism, and syllable-type acronyms rarely are unpronounceable the way like an acronym such as KGB is.
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fishmech posted:Acronyms can be just the initials as well as being syllables. ChubbyChecker posted:This post would probably get you even probated on some forums here. And the last time someone made a holocaust denial thread here he only got a short probation.
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HEY GUNS posted:my point is germans love that poo poo Yeah, Latin is concise, and can get across a translation of a fairly long sentence in English in just a few words. German takes a fairly long English sentence and turns it into one word that's approximately the length of an English paragraph.
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Bad Angus! Bad!
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HEY GUNS posted:both of these things are hosed up agreed
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Ensign Expendable posted:Slightly late to bayonet chat. haha
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Ensign Expendable posted:Slightly late to bayonet chat. somewhere, a french general gets an erection
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There's that one howitzer the USMC uses (M77) that's towed by a loop on the muzzle, and looks just like that in profile. Edit: I assume that's a tank demonstrating the fineness and speed of its power elevation. I like the German one where they put a glass of beer on the muzzleand took it offroad to shpw off the stabilizer system. Chillbro Baggins fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Sep 12, 2018 |
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HEY GUNS posted:it is the moral equivalent of holocaust denial and the fact that we don't ban you on sight for it like for holocaust denial is a stain on the forums As you said - 'almost anything you can imagine nazi concentration camps (not death camps) doing, these did' So, no, actually, it is not the moral equivalent of holocaust denial. Extermination camps designed to explicitly and as efficiently as possible murder an entire people on an industrial scale are uniquely evil and are treated as such. Saying anything else, no matter how poo poo it was, is 'the equivalent of the Holocaust' is watering that down, which is a bad thing.
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feedmegin posted:As you said - 'almost anything you can imagine nazi concentration camps (not death camps) doing, these did' read the post again
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"at least we never gassed 'em to death, so keep the red flag flying and don't ask too many questions" is not a good look edit: i'd do anything for left (but i won't do that) HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 12:40 on Sep 12, 2018 |
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I think he wants to make the distinction between what concentration camp meant before WWII and what Nazi deathcamps did when comparing stuff to gulags; which is what he means that gulags were as terrible as any concentration camp out there, but they weren't exactly death camps meant for industrial extermination of <people>. Stalin had other ways to do that! I doubt that poster is a tankie, though Hey Guns might consider all of the left to be that.
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Personally I don't get the appeal of doing all these delightfully-constructed arabesques on the head of a pin to make sure that people know there have definitely been worse things than the GULAG in the world
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quote:I think he wants to make the distinction between what concentration camp meant before WWII and what Nazi deathcamps did when comparing stuff to gulags; which is what he means that gulags were as terrible as any concentration camp out there, but they weren't exactly death camps meant for industrial extermination of <people>. Let me be clear about this: Saying slavery denial and gulag denial is morally equivalent to holocaust denial is not the same as saying gulags and slavery is exactly the same (in some tedious bean counting megacrime olympics way) as Auschwitz. Trying to divert the argument into the obvious fact that yes, history is not a circle, is kinda a douchebag move, especially if you end it with quote:I doubt that poster is a tankie, though Hey Guns might consider all of the left to be that. Also, tankies suck. Also the "WE'RE GONNA SEND YOU TO THE GULAG!" "oh i mean the nice gulag, gulags are nice, how dare you perceive what i said as a threat" is like prime rear end in a top hat behaviour Fangz fucked around with this message at 12:51 on Sep 12, 2018 |
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I resent the implication that I'm defending gulags or tankies there.
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JcDent posted:I think he wants to make the distinction between what concentration camp meant before WWII and what Nazi deathcamps did when comparing stuff to gulags; which is what he means that gulags were as terrible as any concentration camp out there, but they weren't exactly death camps meant for industrial extermination of <people>. Yes, this. Which by the way is why a few posts ago I explicitly said the gulags were terrible and recommended people read noted tankie propaganda tract A Day In The Life. I think that death camps are uniquely evil and therefore denying their existence is not morally equivalent to denying other, less evil (but still evil) things. Otherwise, logically, where do you stop? 'Denying that you took someone else's lunch from the breakroom refrigerator is morally equivalent to denying the Holocaust'? There has to be a difference between these things. Mind you, I've seen various political viewpoints in this thread over the years. I don't think I've ever seen anyone straight-up claiming the gulags were nice ordinary prisons or anything. If someone ever does, I guess we'll see whether that's considered banworthy. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Sep 12, 2018 |
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feedmegin posted:Yes, this. Which by the way is why a few posts ago I explicitly said the gulags were terrible and recommended people read noted tankie propaganda tract A Day In The Life. I think that death camps are uniquely evil and therefore denying their existence is not morally equivalent to denying other, less evil (but still evil) things. Otherwise, logically, where do you stop? 'Denying that you took someone else's lunch from the breakroom refrigerator is morally equivalent to denying the Holocaust'? There has to be a difference between these things. Denial that the USSR killed, tortured and traumatised millions is a lot closer to holocaust and slavery denial than denying you took someone's lunch. Maybe you think that the idea of things being morally equivalent, even used colloquially, is impossible because no argument/historical event is exactly the same, but come the gently caress on - it's downright insulting to imply that therefore Hegel thinks these events are the same, especially when they literally said that. The issue does not come down to that.
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Fangz posted:Denial that the USSR killed, tortured and traumatised millions is a lot closer to holocaust and slavery denial than denying you took someone's lunch. Maybe you think that the idea of things being morally equivalent, even used colloquially, is impossible because no argument/historical event is exactly the same, but come the gently caress on - it's downright insulting to imply that therefore Hegel thinks these events are the same, especially when they literally said that. The issue does not come down to that. Didn't stop some people from starting handing accusations of tankie-ism and gulag-denialism (but I repeat myself).
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JcDent posted:Didn't stop some people from starting handing accusations of tankie-ism and gulag-denialism (but I repeat myself). I said you're being a douchebag, not a tankie.
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Fangz posted:I said you're being a douchebag, not a tankie. Well, ugh, can't really argue with that, I am a douche
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