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astral posted:They might have decided to not keep all of the profile migration logic from years-old browser installs. This is definitely true, though I don't recall how big a jump the migrator handles (it should be more than 2 versions though!!).
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Given the specific sequence of 43 to start, then 45, than 47 there.... 45 is an ESR point. Makes sense that it would have jumped first to a version that was also for ESR as that's a relatively safe place to do further upgrades from. And 47 was the last version without Electrolysis support enabled by default on any systems. 47 was also the last version to support processors without SSE2 and a few other things like that. When I've gone around letting Firefox update on other systems that had been sitting unupdated for a while I've seen similar behaviors. Usually the first version it goes to is the ESR milestone next up after the version already installed, rarely its just the next version whose installation had been postponed. Then from the ESR it goes up to some other version around a major compatibility break, before jumping forward a lot to something close to current. Recently I had to get one of my grandma's old laptops up and running again because there was something on there she'd forgot to bring forward but just missed for many years. It was sitting on Firefox 15, went to 17, then something in the 20s, 35, 52, and 61.whatever which was current at the time.
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Sep 10, 2018 23:26
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hahaha I have a unique fingerprint because I use the latest firefox and canvas and one extra plug-in 
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Freakazoid_ posted:hahaha I have a unique fingerprint because I use the latest firefox and canvas and one extra plug-in If you're checking on EFF's Panopticlick, then what you actually have is a unique fingerprint among users who are sufficiently-curious about fingerprinting to visit Panopticlick (which is a vanishingly small amount of people).
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Im_Special posted:they also bundle Chrome as crapware in just about every dodgy Windows installer possible  I have never seen Chrome bundled in a non-google installer ever.Anyways I don't see why anyone ITT should be fearful of Firefox's continuing slide back down to a minority-share browser. Most of the lovely and bogus decisions that the foundation has made in the recent years have been their panicked scramble to keep the Firefox "brand" relevant -- and to be the person in charge who got credit for it. As Firefox recedes back from popular consciousness there won't be as much temptation to use it for the type of career-bait longshot whiffs like loving Firefox OS.
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Sep 11, 2018 04:41
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Klyith posted:
They exist. But it's nice you haven't come across them.
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Im_Special posted:Firefox is losing this battle because the only time it's the default browser is on random Linux distros, which is the same class of tech savvy users that they've had from the start. Meanwhile, not only is Chrome the default browser on most Android devices, they also bundle Chrome as crapware in just about every dodgy Windows installer possible, so people that just click 'ok' when installing something without actually reading will end up installing it by accident one way or another. Hilariously Firefox is doing much better than Edge on desktops despite Microsoft's monopoly of desktop OS. I think it's your second thought. That Chrome is gaining more users faster than the other browsers are than people switching over. Chrome is simply a juggernaut like Internet Explorer was and it's harder to break through on mobile than it was on desktop.
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Sep 11, 2018 08:28
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Having google throw "why not chome" at you every time you search the internet doesn't help either, probably. Most of my friends use firefox, but at work almost everyone used chome, both on mobile and desktop. That is, until I showed ublock to some people, and then they ask me "ok now how do I make this work on my phone". ublock works on firefox for phones, it's amazing how chome still has market share there despite lacking any sort of adblock support on metered connections and very limited battery, to me. You'd think people caught on by now, but nope, completely oblivious.
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Sep 11, 2018 09:22
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For mobile adblocking, I use Samsung Internet. It's available on the Play Store, works on non-Samsung phones and is as fast as Chrome. Firefox on mobile is pretty terrible, feels super slow with weird scrolling behavior.
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Sep 11, 2018 09:35
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Lambert posted:For mobile adblocking, I use Samsung Internet. It's available on the Play Store, works on non-Samsung phones and is as fast as Chrome. Firefox on mobile is pretty terrible, feels super slow with weird scrolling behavior. I don't think Google likes Samsung Internet very much. 
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Sep 11, 2018 11:19
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fishmech posted:Given the specific sequence of 43 to start, then 45, than 47 there.... That makes a lot of sense, thanks!
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Sep 11, 2018 11:32
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Klyith posted:
I remember what it was like when IE6 was the majority of the browser market. I absolutely am fearful of a situation like that developing again, and unfortunately it will. Google will absolutely try some bullshit to force developers into using their services the minute they feel they have enough market share to do so, and it will be bad for everyone. You must be a little naive.
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Sep 11, 2018 16:42
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lol you already have websites that only work properly in Chrome
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Sep 11, 2018 17:51
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Nalin posted:lol you already have websites that only work properly in Chrome I had to deal with a vendor who made their brand new web-based quoting/ordering system only work in Opera... The Opera BEFORE they switched to using WebKit/Blink as the backend. And they rolled it out shortly after Opera announced they would be switching.
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Sep 11, 2018 18:46
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It's very cool and not at all bad that youtube.com, one of the biggest sites on the entire internet, takes like 6 seconds to render in Firefox because Google is using non-standard poo poo that only Chrome supports properly.
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Sep 11, 2018 18:48
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Lambert posted:For mobile adblocking, I use Samsung Internet. It's available on the Play Store, works on non-Samsung phones and is as fast as Chrome. Firefox on mobile is pretty terrible, feels super slow with weird scrolling behavior. Have you tried Firefox for Android since Quantum launched? It improved the speed and reliability for me by a LOT. e: ^^^^ some Google products simply refuse to run on anything besides Chrome 
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Measly Twerp posted:I remember what it was like when IE6 was the majority of the browser market. I absolutely am fearful of a situation like that developing again, and unfortunately it will. Google will absolutely try some bullshit to force developers into using their services the minute they feel they have enough market share to do so, and it will be bad for everyone. I am afraid of Google, but browser choice isn't why I'm afraid of them. Google today does not have the same incentives that MS had in the 90s, not even a tiny bit. And the old microsoft idea that controlling the browser platform would mean controlling the internet is some 90s thinking that any google exec would laugh at. The stuff that looks like a "chrome-only internet" is an artifact of how google is pouring an order of magnitude more money into browser and web development than everyone else. But it's open source, so it's not like the others are locked out of any of those features. Their motivation is to keep the internet funneling money into google's ads and data into their panopticon. They don't need to kill off firefox to do that. Firefox users spend just as much time on youtube as everyone else. Chrome is a web browser designed to make cheap low-end android phones and google websites feel really good, which is why people use it. Nothing about chrome as a piece of software is scary, and google isn't going to try to force people to use it. Because chrome is only incidental to what they're doing. xamphear posted:It's very cool and not at all bad that youtube.com, one of the biggest sites on the entire internet, takes like 6 seconds to render in Firefox because Google is using non-standard poo poo that only Chrome supports properly. I have no perceptible difference in rendering the youtube frontpage in firefox and chrome. Chrome loads a video page slightly faster, but firefox is slower to load videos on every website. Must be that non-standard HTML5 video. (Though if it's taking 6 seconds you should update to quantum.)
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xamphear posted:It's very cool and not at all bad that youtube.com, one of the biggest sites on the entire internet, takes like 6 seconds to render in Firefox because Google is using non-standard poo poo that only Chrome supports properly. That reminds me, does anyone else have this problem where the search terms don't appear in the search box on youtube? 
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Sep 12, 2018 11:57
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IE 6 only got as dominant as it did for as long as it did, because literally every other browser available was much worse for many years. Remember, Netscape basically imploded and a version 5 never came out, and when they switched to making what became Firefox the early couple of years were barely functional and even when Firefox 1.x was getting good in 2004 it was still pretty unstable. Opera had horrible amounts of rendering errors they basically just said were "Working as intended" and were shoving ads or an expensive purchase price to the users. Other projects like Konqueror or whatever were similarly insufficient if at least free.
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Data points: My Firefox has no problems with the youtube search box and loads the youtube front page almost as fast as Chrome. There's maybe two seconds of blank page before the rendering begins, then half a second while all the video squares are grey. This is testing next to a fuckload of open tabs and with 80% memory in use.
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fishmech posted:IE 6 only got as dominant as it did for as long as it did, because literally every other browser available was much worse for many years. Remember, Netscape basically imploded and a version 5 never came out, and when they switched to making what became Fire Fixed that for you  Also I tried Opera back then and I immediately went back to Firefox (dunno if it was still Firebird back then).
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fishmech posted:IE 6 only got as dominant as it did for as long as it did, because literally every other browser available was much worse for many years. Remember, Netscape basically imploded and a version 5 never came out, and when they switched to making what became Firefox the early couple of years were barely functional and even when Firefox 1.x was getting good in 2004 it was still pretty unstable. Opera had horrible amounts of rendering errors they basically just said were "Working as intended" and were shoving ads or an expensive purchase price to the users. Other projects like Konqueror or whatever were similarly insufficient if at least free. Konquerer actually got pretty good, the rendering engine (KHTML) was pretty much the best available, even if it wasn't feature complete. Apple adopted it as the basis for Webkit, and Webkit was forked for Chrome/Chromium.
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so i just switched from chrome to firefox and love it so far, except for one thing. every like...15 seconds or so my keyboard lags. the computer still gets the input, but it doesn't appear in the text field for like 3 seconds, when it then rapidfires all the keys and gets back to live typing. any idea why that might be? i've turned on all that was posted in the first post here. this happens on two different computers. e: actually just found a page about it, and it told me to turn off accessibility services. we shall see... abelwingnut fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Sep 13, 2018 |
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Klyith posted:The stuff that looks like a "chrome-only internet" is an artifact of how google is pouring an order of magnitude more money into browser and web development than everyone else. But it's open source, so it's not like the others are locked out of any of those features. Their motivation is to keep the internet funneling money into google's ads and data into their panopticon. They don't need to kill off firefox to do that. Firefox users spend just as much time on youtube as everyone else. there are only 2 ways i can make sense of this post. one is that you're a google employee, the other is that you're a complete idiot. but i repeat myself, so
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EoRaptor posted:Konquerer actually got pretty good, the rendering engine (KHTML) was pretty much the best available, even if it wasn't feature complete. Apple adopted it as the basis for Webkit, and Webkit was forked for Chrome/Chromium. That didn't really happen until a while after Firefox was good enough to both beat IE on functionality and stay up without crashing for extended times though. The initial Safari up to a few patches into 2.x were about as usable as Opera.
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Abel Wingnut posted:so i just switched from chrome to firefox and love it so far, except for one thing. every like...15 seconds or so my keyboard lags. the computer still gets the input, but it doesn't appear in the text field for like 3 seconds, when it then rapidfires all the keys and gets back to live typing. Did you see the accessibility indicator? If you did, you can go to about :support and the accessibility section to see what is using the service. It could be anti-virus or something else that you may want to disable.
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Klyith posted:I am afraid of Google, but browser choice isn't why I'm afraid of them. Google today does not have the same incentives that MS had in the 90s, not even a tiny bit. And the old microsoft idea that controlling the browser platform would mean controlling the internet is some 90s thinking that any google exec would laugh at. And yet somehow... Klyith posted:The stuff that looks like a "chrome-only internet" is an artifact of how google is pouring an order of magnitude more money into browser and web development than everyone else. But it's open source, so it's not like the others are locked out of any of those features. Their motivation is to keep the internet funneling money into google's ads and data into their panopticon. They don't need to kill off firefox to do that. Firefox users spend just as much time on youtube as everyone else. Android is also open source, but they've effectively locked that down, they, like Apple could force everyone to use their rendering engine the minute they decide they need access to that data to sell it too. If the market ever drifted away from Chrome you can be drat sure they'd do whatever shady poo poo was in their power to prevent it.
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Abel Wingnut posted:so i just switched from chrome to firefox and love it so far, except for one thing. every like...15 seconds or so my keyboard lags. the computer still gets the input, but it doesn't appear in the text field for like 3 seconds, when it then rapidfires all the keys and gets back to live typing.
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pairofdimes posted:Did you see the accessibility indicator? If you did, you can go to about :support and the accessibility section to see what is using the service. It could be anti-virus or something else that you may want to disable. Pilsner posted:Another staple Firefox issue that's been around for like 10 years and rears its ugly head once in a while. What I usually do is restart FF and it goes away for a while. Doing a version update has also sometimes helped, along with removing some extensions that were obsolete or I decided I didn't need anymore. Sorry not a very precise solution... well, i went ahead and disabled the accessibility services like the page i found said so, and the problem has definitely gone away. it's only been...what, 12 hours, though? we'll see, but initial results are promising
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Edge isn't the IE6 of old, to be fair, but I still will use Firefox.
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Pilsner posted:Another staple Firefox issue that's been around for like 10 years and rears its ugly head once in a while. What I usually do is restart FF and it goes away for a while. Doing a version update has also sometimes helped, along with removing some extensions that were obsolete or I decided I didn't need anymore. Sorry not a very precise solution... I've found doing maintenance on the Places Database to be helpful when this occurred for me. One time it actually got so bad that it couldn't even fix itself anymore. Anyways, they've rolled the feature to do so into about :support. It's under the Places Database header, click the Verify Integrity button. If you click it, it'll look like it's not really doing anything until it's done, but then it'll poop out something of a report after a few seconds.
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iospace posted:Edge isn't the IE6 of old, to be fair, but I still will use Firefox. I used Edge and was reminded what the internet looks like without uBlock and script blockers. Long story short - it's terrible.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:I used Edge and was reminded what the internet looks like without uBlock and script blockers. So why didn't you get the uBlock Origin port from the store?
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Geemer posted:So why didn't you get the uBlock Origin port from the store? Follow-up: you don't actually need a Microsoft account to download free stuff from the Store, that's just a nag*. You also don't need to use a Microsoft account, new or existing, as your system user account; you can just use it for the Store and other individual apps. *Thanks to library management, it's not even a bad-natured one. Also does any other app store except I guess the Chrome and Firefox extension libraries let you not use an account and still get stuff?
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Just realised you can select your own icons for the bookmarks on the new tabs page as long as it's a URL. I have folders of stupid images stretching back decades, I should not be allowed this power. Also, why can I do this with a simple right click for bookmarks on the new tab page, but I have to edit the goddamn userchrome.css file if I want to change the favicons anywhere else? Geemer posted:So why didn't you get the uBlock Origin port from the store? It was a work computer. IT enjoys making us suffer.
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Abel Wingnut posted:well, i went ahead and disabled the accessibility services like the page i found said so, and the problem has definitely gone away. it's only been...what, 12 hours, though? we'll see, but initial results are promising psa: full day of use, from about 10a until now, and my issue is gone thanks to this fix
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I've been having the same problem for several days, and only a Windows update and reboot seems to have done anything. Whee.
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iospace posted:Edge isn't the IE6 of old, to be fair, but I still will use Firefox. Every time I open a new tab in Edge and it gets those 1-2 seconds of active tab lag I get the sinking feeling in my stomache that the old IE new tab bug isn't fixed (even though it actually does work)
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I copied my firefox profile from Windows to Linux. Everything is working, including installing extensions, but I'm unable to delete extensions from within Firefox unless I drop down to safe mode. I've tried some things like find/replacing any obvious references to C:\.....\myprofile with /home/..../myprofile but still nothing. I've done too much to nuke the entire profile over something this small, I'd need much bigger problems to bother. Obviously this isn't something people do very often, but I was hoping the more general problem of being unable to remove extensions would ring a bell.
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Desuwa posted:I copied my firefox profile from Windows to Linux. Everything is working, including installing extensions, but I'm unable to delete extensions from within Firefox unless I drop down to safe mode. I've tried some things like find/replacing any obvious references to C:\.....\myprofile with /home/..../myprofile but still nothing. I didn't know straight copying even worked. What I would do is just enable sync, and tick everything you'd like to carry over.
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