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Wistful of Dollars posted:I wonder what would happen if a province tried to use notwithstanding to ban a minority group from voting or being able to hold office in non-federal politics or some-such. I mean you can come up with some pretty horrible uses if you get to ignore freedom of religion, freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, freedom of association and equality. That's like the all star team of human rights. But to answer your question,  ? It sort of gets into the territory of when Trudeau or the lieutenant governor want to cause a constitutional crisis. My guess is you have to get to the point of literal jailing of opposition before Trudeau does much more than sound vaguely displeased.
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Sashimi posted:I really worry what will happen when Ford decides to introduce legislation to upload Toronto's subway to provincial control, something he actually had on his platform. Will the city have any real way to challenge this when he decides its time to pursue this or can he just use the NWC to push that through with no challenge or debate? I don't even see why he would have to use the notwithstanding clause. At least with elections it's sort of nakedly undemocratic, loving with Toronto's budget and services is a piece of cake comparatively. Legally Toronto has exactly as much right to complain as a library that's losing city funding.
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Sep 13, 2018 02:20
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Sashimi posted:I really worry what will happen when Ford decides to introduce legislation to upload Toronto's subway to provincial control, something he actually had on his platform. Will the city have any real way to challenge this when he decides its time to pursue this or can he just use the NWC to push that through with no challenge or debate? He can just do that, no s. 33 needed. Nobody has a constitutional right to have their subway under city jurisdiction.
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Sep 13, 2018 02:20
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I have a sneaking suspicion, even just based on this thread, that the NWC is about to start poking its head into a bunch of sovereign citizen nonsense ramblings.
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Sep 13, 2018 02:26
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Sashimi posted:I really worry what will happen when Ford decides to introduce legislation to upload Toronto's subway to provincial control, something he actually had on his platform. Will the city have any real way to challenge this when he decides its time to pursue this or can he just use the NWC to push that through with no challenge or debate? I've heard through the grapevine that the guy who replaced Andy Byford at the TTC has a red MAGA hat on display in his office, so you can draw your own conclusions from that.
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Sep 13, 2018 02:30
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EvidenceBasedQuack posted:Meanwhile in Quebec... It's going to be an amazing self-own if all of this ends up leading to a push to make municipalities a legally distinct level of government. Ford could have hosed with Toronto all he wanted and nobody would have given a poo poo if he'd waited the six weeks for the election, but instead he had to blow his wad early and now everyone is talking about how maybe he shouldn't be allowed to do that.
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Sashimi posted:I really worry what will happen when Ford decides to introduce legislation to upload Toronto's subway to provincial control, something he actually had on his platform. Will the city have any real way to challenge this when he decides its time to pursue this or can he just use the NWC to push that through with no challenge or debate? He doesn't need the notwithstanding clause to do that, just like he doesn't need the notwithstanding clause to reduce the number of city council wards in Toronto.
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Sashimi posted:I really worry what will happen when Ford decides to introduce legislation to upload Toronto's subway to provincial control, something he actually had on his platform. Will the city have any real way to challenge this when he decides its time to pursue this or can he just use the NWC to push that through with no challenge or debate? There are real ways to stop that but they can't be discussed on public forums
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Sep 13, 2018 03:29
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Legally and constitutionally, it seems like there isn't much Toronto can do. But, Toronto is a huge nexus of power. Money, science, property, art, politics, population, by practically any metric, Toronto has a ton of power at its fingertips, it just doesn't have legal control over most of it. Could TO pull petty stuff, like getting city workers to not empty the dumpsters of the Premier's office? Or more overtly rebellious stuff, like withholding tax dollars to the province. Or going on some sort of strike. I know politicians, especially useless city counselors are not going to want to go to jail on matters of principal. But if Toronto was willing to bend or break rules, I wonder how much leverage it could apply to provincial and federal governments.
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Sep 13, 2018 04:00
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The Cheshire Cat posted:It's going to be an amazing self-own if all of this ends up leading to a push to make municipalities a legally distinct level of government. Cities have been asking for this for ages, but they're asking the provincial government to give up power in exchange for nothing, so the answer is always going to be 'lol no'.
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Sep 13, 2018 05:02
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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infernal machines posted:There is a nonzero chance of that happening if Ford decides he really doesn't like the new mayor. Or maybe he'll just decide he can appoint all the committees. He can do anything, it's magic! I eagerly anticipate, in the unlikely event of Keesmaat winning, Ford making half of the provincial legislation about forbidding things that she wants or starving Toronto of all provincial resources in the name of "cutting municipal excesses".
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Sep 13, 2018 14:22
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Marc Emery backing Bernie's party Because of course
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Sep 13, 2018 14:24
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Extra points if (when) he uses the resultant lack of anything happening to declare that the toronto municipal is out of touch and not good for the people and just kills municipal altogether
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Sep 13, 2018 14:24
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quote:Emery acknowledged that creating a new party is a “Herculean task” but he said Bernier has a massive database of people who supported his leadership bid and he wants to help his campaign. That's getting worryingly close to an admission that he was looting the CPC membership database.
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Sep 13, 2018 14:50
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EvidenceBasedQuack posted:Marc Emery backing Bernie's party Every time I hear about this moron, I become retroactively happier that he spent some time as a guest of the US Federal government. Too bad they didn't keep him. Reminder: he's also a sex weird who married a 21-year-old when he was in his late 40s. I believe she was working for him at the time they met, too.
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https://twitter.com/PremierScottMoe/status/1040260562112929792 Why are all Canadian Politicians so loving dumb
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Sep 13, 2018 16:58
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The Toronto city clerk is wondering whether it's possible to hold a fair election at all at this point, in either scenario. https://twitter.com/GraphicMatt/status/1040256454933004292
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Hint: It isn't, but also, lol, no one at QP cares. They have no legal obligation to provide a fair election either.  This is also a great excuse to forgo the election and appoint a council
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Sep 13, 2018 17:13
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infernal machines posted:Hint: It isn't, but also, lol, no one at QP cares. And why not? The conduct of federal and provincial politicians across the country this week has shown that we don't have any constitutional right to democratic local governance, it's simply a sop provided by our betters to us that can be taken away if they feel like it.
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infernal machines posted:Hint: It isn't, but also, lol, no one at QP cares. The problem for the city clerk is that they are bound by the Municipal Elections Act, and they are now worried that they can't hold an election that meets that legislation. I don't know which parts in particular they might be concerned with, but it makes sense that they have retained their own legal counsel. What's worse, rushing to hold a farce of an election or having the province assume provincial control and hoping that a non-farce election is run promptly?
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leftist heap posted:What's worse, rushing to hold a farce of an election or having the province assume provincial control and hoping that a non-farce election is run promptly? Both? Neither? Basically the clerk will notify the province that they cannot perform their duties as mandated and then the province has carte blanche to do whatever.
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EvidenceBasedQuack posted:Marc Emery backing Bernie's party PT6A posted:Every time I hear about this moron, I become retroactively happier that he spent some time as a guest of the US Federal government. Too bad they didn't keep him. he's also a Lindsay Shepherd fan, that is until she expressed support for a failed motion at the CPC convention to regulate adult porn and he challenged her in a gross way (because of course) https://twitter.com/MarcScottEmery/status/977123906191527936 https://twitter.com/MarcScottEmery/status/1033666876193300480 https://twitter.com/NewWorldHominin/status/1037104871453777921  but also lol @ the trash fire of contradictions and bad faith that is the right wing "free speech" movement
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Sep 13, 2018 18:27
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infernal machines posted:Hint: It isn't, but also, lol, no one at QP cares. Who would you rather trust: an elected council or an appointed one? 
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Fuckin avocado toast eaters https://twitter.com/NewWorldHominin/status/1038944005755613184
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Fuckin avocado toast eaters It's amazing how mad people get over this stuff when it has absolutely no effect on their day to day lives
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She’s really bad at pretending it’s not about hating trans people
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Sep 13, 2018 20:58
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I have a BA from Laurier and every time I see this woman mentioned I cringe. Luckily all this poo poo happened years after I obtained said degree.
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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/13/canada-weed-pot-border-783260 "If a traveler admits to past use of any illegal drugs, including marijuana, the traveler will be found to be inadmissible into the United States. CBP typically will allow them the opportunity to “voluntary withdraw” from the border — or face an “expedited removal.” Whether or not the traveler enters the U.S., a record will be kept by CBP and that traveler will not be allowed to return to the U.S. "
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PT6A posted:Reminder: he's also a sex weird who married a 21-year-old when he was in his late 40s. I believe she was working for him at the time they met, too. Omg no
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Sep 13, 2018 22:26
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Helsing posted:You're stanning for liberal democracy and constitutionalism and I'm arguing that this whole philosophy and form of government is manifestly failing to address the challenges of the 21st century. Those failures in America and Europe are our near future of we stay on this path. My problem is I think what ends up happening is we end up ditching the 'democracy' part of our political structures before we ditch anything else, and that isn't going to end well for most people.
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MasterSitsu posted:https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/13/canada-weed-pot-border-783260 So I can do drugs and get banned from the USA at the same time? gently caress yes
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Sep 13, 2018 22:43
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Fuckin avocado toast eaters This is a tangent but do trans-men produce breast milk? I legitimately didn't know that. I know that cis-men can rarely do it, but as I understood it that was usually the result of a hormonal imbalance and I would have thought that trans-men would be on medication that if anything pushed their hormones in the other direction.
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I don't know about it from the FTM direction but it's possible that a transperson has not started HRT or has taken themselves off it for medical reasons, which may include being off it for pregnancy/post-pregnancy purposes. I had never really thought about breast as a gendered term before, but if people consider it to be and don't want to use it because of that it shouldn't be any skin off anyone's back... or chest
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BattleMaster posted:I don't know about it from the FTM direction but it's possible that a transperson has not started HRT or has taken themselves off it for medical reasons, which may include being off it for pregnancy/post-pregnancy purposes. Pretty much. Testosterone doesn't interfere with getting pregnant, although my recollection is that you stop hormone therapy if you're pregnant just because no one knows what the hell it might do to baby.
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MasterSitsu posted:https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/13/canada-weed-pot-border-783260 Good a time as any to start reflexively lying to authority. :anarchy:
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lol CBC found whatever rocks Christy Clark and Brad Wall have been hiding under since leaving office to come out supporting Doug in his battle.
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less than three posted:lol CBC found whatever rocks Christy Clark and Brad Wall have been hiding under since leaving office to come out supporting Doug in his battle. https://youtu.be/kKbQm0cENc4?t=14
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I didn't realize Canada Post workers were gearing up to strike. How likely is it? The votes were pretty unanimous for both rural and urban members which I like to see.
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Martian Manfucker posted:I didn't realize Canada Post workers were gearing up to strike. Says a lot about their bargaining strength, doesn't it - nobody really cares any more. They could be out for months and only computer-phobic seniors would even notice.
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MasterSitsu posted:https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/13/canada-weed-pot-border-783260 Is this particularly surprising? I'm pretty sure it's been the case for years. James Baud posted:Says a lot about their bargaining strength, doesn't it - nobody really cares any more. They could be out for months and only computer-phobic seniors would even notice. If you have no bank cards, don't have to pay rent, and never send or receive packages, I see how you might think this. Even Amazon sometimes sends packages via Canada Post.
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