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Subjunctive posted:You don’t think DLSS models will come to GFE the way recommended settings do? I would expect that rather than tying it to driver updates. (DLSS models themselves might require driver updates, especially early on, but that’s a different situation.) Possibly. Guess we will have to see either way.
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I'd kinda expect at least one model to come baked into the game itself but I suppose it's something NVIDIA could overwrite at a driver/GFE level if they wanted to.
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I guess another method depending on the size of the data it needs for the model, is just to make the drivers somewhat Cloud connected. You launch the game, it phones home to see if there is a model to said game, loads it, and off you go. Sure it will have to be opt in, but outside of it being driver level or game patch included, it may come to this...
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knox_harrington posted:Thanks to whoever posted that link to the SCAN 1070ti sale earlier, I now have a MSI Gaming one of them on order. Going to shoehorn it into a Dan-A4 and a higher res monitor. That was me, and you're welcome. Mine arrives tomorrow and I'm loving pumped. Upgrading from a 760, I've got a 240Hz alienware monitor, and I am going to wear reinforced underpants.  I refreshed the page and the gaming model is now 'call for price' which means they probably had their shelves emptied, or realised they were making a loss.
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Ihmemies posted:I have a 500W Super Flower passive PSU from 2012. 8700k + 970gtx, 2 ssd+1hdd, 3 18cm case fans. With wall meter I get these results: I have a seasonic 860w platinum from 2013 still going strong. It does have a 7 year warranty though.
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Isn’t the NDA up? Where all the reviews at?
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Tom published the only info you need 2 weeks ago
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Can’t wait to get my hands on the hacked drivers that activate support on my 760 GTX for raytracing and that other thing
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cowofwar posted:Isn’t the NDA up? Where all the reviews at? NDA is probably up at like 8 AM EST or something like that, but people were talking that the reviews were embargoed back to the 19th anyways. So not like it matters.
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Does anybody know if there are any plans to release a 1070 with 11gb of RAM? I have a 770, but I got the 4gb model instead of the standard 2gb. I am playing the new Tomb Raider game on High settings and I attribute its ability to run new games on decent settings to having 4gb instead of 2gb RAM. I am planning on upgrading sometime in the next 6 months and instead of splurging on a 1080ti or whatever I would like to get a 1070 with extra RAM. Maybe it isn't worth it, or maybe the price difference isn't enough to matter. I haven't really researched, I just know that 3 generations later I am still running new games on decent settings because I made that decision. Also, I have no actual data/research to base this on but I suspect the PC versions of games like Tomb Raider tend to be a little less resource intensive because they are most likely designed for consoles primarily with a PC port as opposed to games that are PC only or PC first.
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And the TU104 cards (2070 & 2080) are going to be 8 GB too, you'll have to go up to a 1080 Ti or 2080 Ti to get 11 GB.
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Wait for the special 9gb 2060 X-Ti
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It would have to be 16GB or you end up in a weird slow/fast situation much worse then the 970 which could basically shuffle off unused assets to the slow portion and have no performance hit. 512MB is very easy to juggle, but 3GB would be hard. Unless you're doing 4/5K the extra memory isn't helping so it's not a big deal.
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SlayVus posted:NDA is probably up at like 8 AM EST or something like that, but people were talking that the reviews were embargoed back to the 19th anyways. So not like it matters.  so a few more hours for the editors day stuff. Llamadeus posted:And the TU104 cards (2070 & 2080) are going to be 8 GB too, you'll have to go up to a 1080 Ti or 2080 Ti to get 11 GB. 2070 is actually TU106 
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cowofwar posted:Wtf is editors day presentation? its all the slides provided by Nvidia that go through the archs features etc. the slides were already presented to the media at gamescom. all the really important ones have already been leaking on VCZ reviews wont be up until the 19th.
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D-Pad posted:Does anybody know if there are any plans to release a 1070 with 11gb of RAM? I have a 770, but I got the 4gb model instead of the standard 2gb. I am playing the new Tomb Raider game on High settings and I attribute its ability to run new games on decent settings to having 4gb instead of 2gb RAM. I am planning on upgrading sometime in the next 6 months and instead of splurging on a 1080ti or whatever I would like to get a 1070 with extra RAM. Don't worry about it until you need it - I'd just recommend upgrading your card more often if it becomes an issue. Longevity of (personal) use is a bit overrated, because people forget that their card's used value is depreciating as time goes by. If you consider someone buying in at the ~$400 level (release price, not founder's edition), then going by current 1070/970/770 prices you'd probably only be saving ~$40 every two generations by skipping a generation (rather than selling your card and upgrading each generation), or $100 every 3 generations by skipping two. That's about $15-25 dollars a year saved, but in exchange your leaving large performance gains on the table and going past your warranty (and zeroing the value of a card would totally wipe out any savings). E: If a card is still sufficient for your purposes, of course don't feel like you need to upgrade - just keep the used value in mind when pricing upgrade costs. Stickman fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Sep 14, 2018 |
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Stickman posted:Don't worry about it until you need it - I'd just recommend upgrading your card more often if it becomes an issue. Longevity of (personal) use is a bit overrated, because people forget that their card's used value is depreciating as time goes by. If you consider someone buying in at the ~$400 level (release price, not founder's edition), then going by current 1070/970/770 prices you'd probably only be saving ~$40 every two generations by skipping a generation (rather than selling your card and upgrading each generation), or $100 every 3 generations by skipping two. That's about $15-25 dollars a year saved, but in exchange your leaving large performance gains on the table and going past your warranty (and zeroing the value of a card would totally wipe out any savings). Good points, but I actually give my old card to a friend who can't afford any thing new whenever I upgrade. Been passing down my gaming PC parts to him for like 15 years.
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Can’t understand someone who would want to go through the bullshit of selling a card regularly, as someone who did it twice it was worthwhile only when selling high on crypto. And I can’t count on that ever happening again. (And I decided not to sell my 1070 at the start of this year because I have no backup card because of all the selling, and months without PC gaming isn’t worth getting double my money back at some point.)
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D-Pad posted:Good points, but I actually give my old card to a friend who can't afford any thing new whenever I upgrade. Been passing down my gaming PC parts to him for like 15 years. A better friend than I! 
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I recycle my old hardware like cpu's & gpu's to htpc, server etc. Electricity costs 0,04€/kWh. Of course transfer fees and taxes are a major portion of the bills, but still, new hardware is expensive!
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https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3364-nvidia-turing-architecture-technical-deep-dive https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Architecture-NVIDIAs-RTX-GPUs-Turing-Explored https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-turing-gpu-architecture-explored,5801.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpTzkrBUnGo repiv fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Sep 14, 2018 |
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Jay has a basic unboxing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlmK2rWGDyM
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For the turbo-nerds, the Turing whitepaper is also out. The "Variable Rate Shading" feature that we thought was double-rate FP16 is actually something else, but the whitepaper confirms that Turing does have 2xFP16 regardless even on consumer SKUs.  to Vegas one tangible advantage.
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So DLSS is AA with downsampling that uses DL, but there's also DLSS 2X, which is AA at the native resolution. Wonder who will produce the most useful image-quality comparisons. E: What event is this supposed to be taken from? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlnK8noB0cU ufarn fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Sep 14, 2018 |
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Someone uploaded 3d mark results on the correct driver https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-3dmark-performance-benchmark-leak/ 2080 at (apparent) stock boost clocks beats an OC 1080ti or Titan XP
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Seems legit https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Gigabyte-AO...FgAAOSwA71bm8-j
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1gnoirents posted:Someone uploaded 3d mark results on the correct driver How much does 2080 start at price wise again? Because name means jack poo poo to me anymore in pc parts Price point is p much only designation that matters now unfortunately E: not to dismiss those results ofc, but if thats an $800+ card, i would hope it is beating a card from 2+ years ago that msrp for like 20% less If the 2080 can be had for 5-650 (laughable i consider this a good price) it becomes much more attractive Worf fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Sep 14, 2018 |
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Statutory Ape posted:How much does 2080 start at price wise again? Because name means jack poo poo to me anymore in pc parts There will be no price to performance gains this time around lol considering the MSRP and then actual prices of everything so far, it just wont be possible. I think everybody is just looking towards actual performance gains as that ship has sailed f Either Nvidia is finally gouging due to lack of competition or the chip is expensive - or both. 1gnoirents fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Sep 14, 2018 |
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1080 Ti and 2080 have the same MSRP. There is no reason for Nvidia to increase price/performance ratios, and it seems like they arent. You get a few Nvidia specific features, which will help lock competitors out in the future if they can get good adoption, but not more raw fps for the dollar.
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A company dictating when journos can release information is not journalism.
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mewse posted:A company dictating when journos can release information is not journalism. this is a good point tbh but also ultimately irrelevant
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mewse posted:A company dictating when journos can release information is not journalism. Its not journalism then, its product reviews. If you abolish NDAs then there will be no review samples. This is what AMD, Intel, Nvidia has done for decades. This applies to practically all companies that make anything, every phone company, every car company, a lot of major software are subject to NDAs. It also literally changes nothing, you just have to wait a few days for a review of a product you are unable to even buy yet. Companies will provide samples to publications as part of their marketing efforts. They have no obligation to provide a product to anybody before release date. It is in their own self interest, if it wasnt then they wouldnt give out their product. If you care about journalistic integrity (for product reviews....) then read reviews by people who purchase the card when it comes out. To be clear, there are ugly sides. A company withholding review samples to groups or people who are known to be critical of the company is lame. A company requiring an NDA for launch day is a huge red flag that it sucks. AMD has bad history with this with the 300 series and partially the 400. A company can, in theory, wiggle out more positive words by dangling products for early review. But none of these things specifically have much to do with a NDA itself. 1gnoirents fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Sep 14, 2018 |
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Statutory Ape posted:this is a good point tbh Yeah I'm aware I'm probably preaching to the choir and that nothing will ever change, I just got a sharp feeling of revulsion seeing that email because a vendor should not be dictating terms to a journalist. They shouldn't be able to "push back" the date they originally agreed to because there's a provision in the NDA that allows them to do it. It's a very short step before cutting off anyone that provides negative coverage. Maybe some day the tech journos will organize and as a bloc dump pre-release NDAs but I doubt it, because whoever stands up for their principles right now gets disadvantaged.
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mewse posted:A company dictating when journos can release information is not journalism. These are reviews in advance of general availability. If you want to be first with reviews, there are going to be restrictions because the item is loaned to you by the creator as soon as physically possible. If everyone has to publish on the same date it prevents rush jobs that might do a poor job of their review just to be first and get the hits.
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1gnoirents posted:If you abolish NDAs then there will be no review samples. 
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Exactly ... we're oddly on the same page here but arriving a wildly different concluions. What exactly is the consumer disadvantage of an NDA that ends before the product is available for sale? I'd rather have good reviews before than not. If there were no NDAs and no review samples then the first 5 minutes you could purchase a card there would be a 100 garbage "reviews" that would change throughout the day. These places depend on views to stay afloat and nothing else and this would be assured. Consumers lose there, and in many cases the company will too. If they provided review samples without an NDA then the same thing would happen, it would be a mad rush to review them. Nothing actually changes, the quality of information drops, and theyd just give them samples on the day they want them to have them anyways. And again I need to clarify (I really need to proofread lol), these are the practical downsides and upsides to the consumer - not the intent of an NDA. Like I said thats purely marketing for the company. Having reviews drop a day before you can buy something drums up the hype train - with the side effect of actually being good for the consumer. But in the end its the same thing, NDAs dont change a thing other than making a buyer wait for a certain day for the information. The information doesnt change, in fact the information has the greatest opportunity to be of higher quality, and if its before you can buy it then ... who cares about the NDA 1gnoirents fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Sep 14, 2018 |
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