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Okay I haven't been following this thread at all so forgive me if this had been brought up recently, but earlier today I finished reading The Mist and I just finished the 2007 movie a few minutes ago and I have to talk about the ending (and none of my friends care.) Did anybody else think the way the movie ended was really freaking good? Like a sly nod to the source material since the book has a kind of vague ending that leaves it up to the reader on whether or not they survive, and hangs a big ol' lampshade on this by calling it a "Hitchcock ending" and mentioning that the main character's father hates Hitchcock endings. I like to think the director agreed, took King's offhand mention of them using the gun on themselves and chose his own adventure. Dark as gently caress but I love the above and also thought the scene fit in very naturally with the overall theme of people doing horrible poo poo due to extreme fear and hopelessness. Oh, and I also thought the human sacrifice was handled a lot more dramatically since the book feels like it's ramping up to that but then it never actually happens. Overall I appreciated the changes made and I think this is my favorite King film adaptation so far.
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Sep 9, 2018 05:53
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artsy fartsy posted:Okay I haven't been following this thread at all so forgive me if this had been brought up recently, but earlier today I finished reading The Mist and I just finished the 2007 movie a few minutes ago and I have to talk about the ending (and none of my friends care.) the black and white director’s cut is even better
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Sep 9, 2018 15:14
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Ending to The Mist was great. A real gut punch. King said it was better than his ending to the book.
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Sep 9, 2018 15:28
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the ending is good because it proves, if more proof were needed, that Carmody was right about everything the entire time
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Sep 9, 2018 16:10
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I thought it came across as a little preachy, with respect to faith and belief. The grocery store cult showed us one extreme of that spectrum, the ending showcased the other, but the character who believed in herself and ran into danger to rescue her kids turned out fine.
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Sep 9, 2018 16:53
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chernobyl kinsman posted:the ending is good because it proves, if more proof were needed, that Carmody was right about everything the entire time well she was wrong about not getting loving murdered
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Sep 9, 2018 23:08
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and in death she joins the ranks of the martyrs
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Sep 10, 2018 23:41
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Book Carmody was super scary ugly sounding like all of King's Evil Christian Womentm but Marcia Gay Harden is definitely not. It added an extra layer of conflict for me, the viewer.
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Sep 10, 2018 23:49
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So Castle Rock sounds like Abrams trying to be realllyy "cute," given how this season ended. Skaarsgard appears 27 years ago, is kept underground in a sewer like hole, comes out, a bunch of people die, and then a gigantic death events happens and he goes back underground again. Okay, dude.
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Sep 12, 2018 17:42
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Yeah, that ending was something that could've maybe worked for a Twilight Zone episode, but felt really off as a season resolution. I'm having second thoughts about watching season 2. Doesn't help that I found Skaarsgard's character to be much more compelling both as a 'monster' and straight protagonist as in episode 9, whereas Holland's was just kinda flat throughout, so my sympathies were firmly with the former towards the end.
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Sep 12, 2018 23:56
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I gave up on Castle Rock, it just seemed like a disorganized mess. I am re-reading The Stand for the first time in awhile, just starting book three. I forgot how much I love this book. It's enormous, but nothing really drags (besides maybe some early Larry or Fran chapters). I think it might be my favorite King book (or It, or Salem's Lot)
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Sep 13, 2018 01:23
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I thought the first season was fine, but I really hope the second season follows a completely different group of characters, but we see the cast from Season 1 show up as background characters to give the town a little added depth.
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Sep 13, 2018 17:35
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syscall girl posted:Book Carmody was super scary ugly sounding like all of King's Evil Christian Womentm
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Sep 14, 2018 04:57
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it's not, though. Carmody is like the bad guy from Under The Dome, Big Jim Remmy or whoever. they're terrible characters. king, himself obviously a liberal, is very good at conjuring up everything that liberals hate and fear and incarnating them in the Perfect Other. he writes the kind of characters that liberals believe their opponents are (and on some level want them to be) in their most reductive and dismissive moments. the movie's depiction of Carmody is much more effective than the novella's because it introduces the subversive element of her being (at least potentially) right, instead of just the ranting Westboro Baptist cardboard cutout that King wrote originally.
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Sep 14, 2018 17:52
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chernobyl kinsman posted:it's not, though. Carmody is like the bad guy from Under The Dome, Big Jim Remmy or whoever. they're terrible characters. king, himself obviously a liberal, is very good at conjuring up everything that liberals hate and fear and incarnating them in the Perfect Other. he writes the kind of characters that liberals believe their opponents are (and on some level want them to be) in their most reductive and dismissive moments. the movie's depiction of Carmody is much more effective than the novella's because it introduces the subversive element of her being (at least potentially) right, instead of just the ranting Westboro Baptist cardboard cutout that King wrote originally. Truly, Stephen King used his future scrying glass to look into the mid-1990s to mock the Westboro Baptist Church's activities then, from 1980, when writing The Mist.
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Sep 14, 2018 18:07
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she's not literally made of cardboard in the book either, fishmech
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Sep 14, 2018 18:21
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chernobyl kinsman posted:she's not literally made of cardboard in the book either, fishmech You are so eager to shriek about phantom liberals that you refuse to realize real people act the way he writes, especially up in Maine.
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Sep 14, 2018 18:49
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Yeah, have you been to Fundamentalist Christian churches? There are always people that are like Carmody there, that even the pastor/whatever can't stand. I don't know where you get this "liberal invention" thing from; those people absolutely exist, and put in that kind of crazy situation, would act exactly like her.
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Sep 14, 2018 19:58
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it's lazy writing. book-Carmody is a deeply boring character because she's a transparent boogeyman, and vaguely gesturing towards the idea that "well there are real people like her" doesn't change that. she exists solely to a) generate some conflict in the grocery store, which is fine, and b) to build up a tribalistic sense of hatred in the audience which is then released in the cathartic moment of her death, which is less fine. further, her and Remmy both reinforce the deeply-held liberal conviction that right wingers act only out of some admixture of ignorance, hypocrisy, and sheer conscious malevolence. the idea that their might be some value either to their beliefs or even to them as people is completely banished. as i said, the film is an improvement on the book because it offers the deeply disturbing idea that Carmody might be right, while the book lacks any such nuance.
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Sep 14, 2018 20:52
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chernobyl kinsman posted:it's not, though. Carmody is like the bad guy from Under The Dome, Big Jim Remmy or whoever. they're terrible characters. king, himself obviously a liberal, is very good at conjuring up everything that liberals hate and fear and incarnating them in the Perfect Other. he writes the kind of characters that liberals believe their opponents are (and on some level want them to be) in their most reductive and dismissive moments. the movie's depiction of Carmody is much more effective than the novella's because it introduces the subversive element of her being (at least potentially) right, instead of just the ranting Westboro Baptist cardboard cutout that King wrote originally. his perfect others are all unfortunately very realistic
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Sep 15, 2018 05:30
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chernobyl kinsman posted:it's lazy writing. book-Carmody is a deeply boring character because she's a transparent boogeyman, and vaguely gesturing towards the idea that "well there are real people like her" doesn't change that. she exists solely to a) generate some conflict in the grocery store, which is fine, and b) to build up a tribalistic sense of hatred in the audience which is then released in the cathartic moment of her death, which is less fine. further, her and Remmy both reinforce the deeply-held liberal conviction that right wingers act only out of some admixture of ignorance, hypocrisy, and sheer conscious malevolence. the idea that their might be some value either to their beliefs or even to them as people is completely banished. as i said, the film is an improvement on the book because it offers the deeply disturbing idea that Carmody might be right, while the book lacks any such nuance. this is asinine.....assigning value to carmodys beliefs is to endorse ritual sacrifice. even if shes right shes just as cartoonishly evil
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Sep 15, 2018 05:35
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its not deeply disturbing at all, a malevolent god that demands the deaths of children isnt exactly a foreign concept to anyone on the planet.....the more disturbing idea thats present in book and film is that religion is toxic and sows fear and hatred. its a thing to be escaped from and the additional horror of the film is that there is no escape
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Sep 15, 2018 05:39
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if i was in a life and death situation like that avoiding religious nutters would probably rank right up there with breaking a long sober streak on my list of things to do I'm the guy that dies horribly in the first act and only cares for about 30 seconds before the audience gets too queasy
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Sep 15, 2018 07:20
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ya king usually doesnt use religion as the avatar of discord. most of the time his false messiahs are also apostates or heretics
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Sep 15, 2018 07:24
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You guys seriously think Maine is full of Christian right wingers who believe in human sacrifice?
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Sep 15, 2018 18:33
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You'd be surprised how many right-wingers are one thick fog away from barbarism.
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scary ghost dog posted:the more disturbing idea thats present in book and film is that religion is toxic and sows fear and hatred. this isnt exactly a new idea and its not presented with a lot of nuance in the mist, a book about evil spiders scary ghost dog posted:this is asinine.....assigning value to carmodys beliefs is to endorse ritual sacrifice. even if shes right shes just as cartoonishly evil ya my whole point here is that she is cartoonish, friend. that makes her an example of lazy writing. moths posted:You'd be surprised how many right-wingers are one thick fog away from barbarism. this is also my point. king doesnt write conservative characters that are in any way lifelike or compelling, he writes conservative characters that embody and reinforce liberals' worst fever dreams about conservatives, like this guy's chernobyl kinsman fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Sep 15, 2018 |
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Sep 15, 2018 19:45
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chernobyl kinsman posted:this isnt exactly a new idea and its not presented with a lot of nuance in the mist, a book about evil spiders I live in a deep red state, where pentecostal churches are common & snake handling is still a thing. I'll admit that the majority of conservatives aren't that far gone, but pretending that people like Carmody don't exist is just dumb.
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Sep 15, 2018 21:44
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April posted:I live in a deep red state, where pentecostal churches are common & snake handling is still a thing. I'll admit that the majority of conservatives aren't that far gone, but pretending that people like Carmody don't exist is just dumb. chernobyl kinsman posted:it's lazy writing. book-Carmody is a deeply boring character because she's a transparent boogeyman, and vaguely gesturing towards the idea that "well there are real people like her" doesn't change that. she exists solely to a) generate some conflict in the grocery store, which is fine, and b) to build up a tribalistic sense of hatred in the audience which is then released in the cathartic moment of her death, which is less fine. further, her and Remmy both reinforce the deeply-held liberal conviction that right wingers act only out of some admixture of ignorance, hypocrisy, and sheer conscious malevolence. the idea that their might be some value either to their beliefs or even to them as people is completely banished. as i said, the film is an improvement on the book because it offers the deeply disturbing idea that Carmody might be right, while the book lacks any such nuance.
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Sep 15, 2018 21:56
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chernobyl kinsman posted:this isnt exactly a new idea and its not presented with a lot of nuance in the mist, a book about evil spiders ya u are deluded if u think cartoonish evil doesnt exist irl and probably lives on ur street. a lifelike and compelling conservative is alex jones, is stephen miller, is donald trump.
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Sep 15, 2018 21:56
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ur argument is that her being realistic doesnt mean shes not boring, but u are also the only one saying she is boring and nobody agrrees with u.
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Sep 15, 2018 21:57
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alex "forgot my kids' birthdays because I ate too much chili" jones is an incredible character and none of king's tepid east coast boomer democrat conjurations have half as much vitality as he
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Sep 15, 2018 21:59
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chernobyl kinsman posted:king's tepid east coast boomer democrat conjurations
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scary ghost dog posted:ur argument is that her being realistic doesnt mean shes not boring, but u are also the only one saying she is boring and nobody agrrees with u. thats actually not quite my argument but ok. tell me why I'm wrong, and why she's a good character. what nuance or depth am I missing that I didn't address here: chernobyl kinsman posted:she exists solely to a) generate some conflict in the grocery store, which is fine, and b) to build up a tribalistic sense of hatred in the audience which is then released in the cathartic moment of her death, which is less fine. further, her and Remmy both reinforce the deeply-held liberal conviction that right wingers act only out of some admixture of ignorance, hypocrisy, and sheer conscious malevolence.
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Sep 15, 2018 22:02
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chernobyl kinsman posted:it's lazy writing. book-Carmody is a deeply boring character because she's a transparent boogeyman, and vaguely gesturing towards the idea that "well there are real people like her" doesn't change that. she exists solely to a) generate some conflict in the grocery store, which is fine, and b) to build up a tribalistic sense of hatred in the audience which is then released in the cathartic moment of her death, which is less fine. further, her and Remmy both reinforce the deeply-held liberal conviction that right wingers act only out of some admixture of ignorance, hypocrisy, and sheer conscious malevolence. the idea that their might be some value either to their beliefs or even to them as people is completely banished. as i said, the film is an improvement on the book because it offers the deeply disturbing idea that Carmody might be right, while the book lacks any such nuance. She's a boring character, because people who are obsessed with one thing (their fairy tale of choice, their model train, their next hit of meth) ARE boring. And there are plenty of humans in general who "act only out of some admixture of ignorance, hypocrisy, and sheer conscious malevolence." In this case, it happens to be the obsessively religious nutbag, which you've admitted is A Real Thing. Why does it offend you so much that a character is portrayed the way some people actually are?
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Sep 15, 2018 22:09
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If you're so raw about liberals writing conservative villains in a way that gets your Murdochs in a bunch might I suggest the works of successful conservative horror writer Ann Coulter?
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Sep 15, 2018 22:10
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April posted:She's a boring character, because people who are obsessed with one thing (their fairy tale of choice, their model train, their next hit of meth) ARE boring. And there are plenty of humans in general who "act only out of some admixture of ignorance, hypocrisy, and sheer conscious malevolence." In this case, it happens to be the obsessively religious nutbag, which you've admitted is A Real Thing. Why does it offend you so much that a character is portrayed the way some people actually are? I've known people of similar religious strains as Carmody; they weren't the one-dimensional cutout that she is. Regardless, a skilled writer (which king absolutely is) should be more than capable of making monomaniacs interesting. He doesnt, I think because he doesn't really want to. Also, I think it's a genuinely bad thing to create simplistic strawmen who embody the absolute extreme of everything you hate about the opposing team and then cheer when they die. Like it's bad writing but it's actually morally problematic not to recognize that. Like when that one thread that was reading that crazy alt-right monster hunter series couldn't understand why its overt fascist themes were bad
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chernobyl kinsman posted:this is also my point. king doesnt write conservative characters that are in any way lifelike or compelling, he writes conservative characters that embody and reinforce liberals' worst fever dreams about conservatives, like this guy's may I invite you to the freeper thread
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