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Grapplejack posted:It's funny, because they have been telegraphing Shido as the big bad for the entire loving game in the most blatantly obvious ways possible. It isn't like with 3 or 4 where you figure it out eventually or learn about it in a big twist; it's really obvious that he's the bad guy the entire game, so this entire reveal seems pointless. It struck me less as "look how evil Shido really is", since we already knew he was awful and heading the group, and more "look how evil Akechi really is! and how kinda dumb Shido is" 1. Akechi, with powers and knowledge already in hand, approached Shido to be a mental hitman at age 15-16. 2. Akechi has apparently been the only one in the conspiracy with access to the cognition world, so has done all the murders. 3. Akechi just believes so darn much in Shido's work ethic to improve the world, wants to live a quiet, but famous life after this is done, and definitely doesn't have ulterior motives....or does he? 4. Shido somehow believes that Akechi is a normal young boy who is not using and deceiving him as "I suppose with your age, you wouldn’t come up with debauched desires" despite the previously mentioned facts that the teenage Akechi volunteered his skills as a stone cold murderer for at least 2+ years and just finished talking about how he's invented alternate personas and elaborate schemes to fool the justice system, the public at large, and the Phantom Thieves. The reveal feels more like they're telling us Shido didn't create a murder conspiracy after finding Wakaba's research, being corrupted by the possibilities, and creating a group of cognitive killers. He silenced the research and has not used it to give himself or anyone else additional power after some random fairy godfather showed up to make all his political dreams come true, through murder.
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MightyPretenders posted:...Yeah. If Akechi is only evil Persona-user the bad guys have, that really turns down their threat level. What's the rest of the conspiracy doing to help, keeping Kirijo and Nanjo tied up with jurisdiction laws? Considering how high-profile this has been compared to 4 and the events of both Arena games pretty much every Persona-user in Japan has got to be chomping at the bit to be let loose. Oh, and Adachi is probably laughing his rear end off from however close they let him be to a TV. Materant fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Sep 14, 2018 |
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Materant posted:Considering how high-profile this has been compared to 4 and the events of both Arena games pretty much every Persona-user in Japan has got to be chomping at the bit to be let loose.
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:Would they, though? I don't think there's any evidence to outside Persona-users that Personas are involved here. Besides, they don't know about the Metaverse, and even if they did, without the Nav they wouldn't be able to get in on any of the action. I mean weird mental shutdowns would make anyone from SEES sit up and take notice, it's too close to Apathy Syndrome not to. And the Investigation Team has the genius boy detective who is actually good at her job.
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 Yes, I know that song’s not actually about the cool kind of revolution. Shut up. Part 156: 11/22-11/23: Not Even A Plot Twist  Anon: We’ll finally have peace Anon: AKECHI IS BAE!!! Anon: c’mon, leak his name! Anon: kid had it coming, lol   He’s a hero. I’m so glad Akechi’s back!  I hope they can catch the rest of the Phantom Thieves too! He really is amazing! Anon: so he HAS to be guilty Anon: Justice with Akechi! Anon: hope things are safer now Anon: Evil is destined to perish. Anon: he shoulda confessed first Music: Disquiet  Of course. He’s the only reliable politician there is. Plus the current government has been getting wrapped up in scandal after scandal. Even more importantly, there’s just an aura about him. Like he can fix whatever problems we have. Honestly, it doesn’t really matter to me who does it. I just wanna see our society back on track. Especially after it turned out those Phantom Thieves were nothing more than scum in the end…    “You’re a bad teacher,” the gently caress? Why is that even an option?  You’re alive! The news is reporting you committed suicide… Call me when you can. I was so confused. But… as long as you’re safe… Don’t worry about school! Just take care of yourself. ♥This is the first of many text conversations we will receive over the next few days as our maxed Confidants naturally worry about us. We’ve already maxed every Confidant that’s relevant to this, so we’ll receive all the messages. Sojiro, Sae, Akechi, and Igor, as well as fellow party members, obviously will not send us anything. Music: So Boring   How could the police let him commit suicide in jail? They need to get their poo poo together.  Quiet down! You’re in class! Break’s been over for some time now. I swear, you’re like monkeys in the zoo. ...Hm? Oh yeah… I received word from Hamiru’s family that he’ll be absent for a bit. Geez… What do you people think school is, anyway?  It’s almost time… Music: Beneath the Mask (Instrumental Version)    Oooh! Thank god you’re safe! That suicide report was all over the news, and Ms. Kawakami said you went back to your hometown… I was honestly worried about contacting you… Even Sakamoto was dodging the question when I tried to ask him. But don’t worry. I won’t tell anyone! By the way, the Phan-Site is a real mess right now… But I’ll keep supporting you from the shadows! Good luck!    Really!? That’s good. It’s chaos over here because of the Phantom Thieves! You’re still alive, so you must be scheming something, right!? I gotta prepare myself for one more mountain. But I’m glad you’re OK. I’m busy, so I’ll talk to you again later.   Anyway, today’s a day off, so eat your curry and take it easy. You can take your time with it too. It’s not like any customers are gonna be showing up.  Let’s try and think of the keyword once the chief’s curry has energized you. Music: Disquiet    I’ve tried all sortsa stuff, but no luck so far. It is hard to understand the thought process of a criminal mastermind like him. Y’know, I’ve been wondering… If he’s been behind all of those mental shutdowns… Doesn’t that mean all the weird accidents from these past few years were his fault? Like, that subway accident back in April… Now that you mention it, that accident lost the Minister of Transport his job…  Wait… Are you trying to say that Shido caused that accident? But it’s the subway! Does he not care at all about innocent lives!? This man seems to be truly unbelievable… Supposedly there are still tons of victims from that in the hospital even now. Masayoshi Shido… How many has he killed over the years? How could we ever understand what goes on in the mind of such a horrible man…?  Hey, wouldn’t it be faster if we just go there and try and think about it on-site!? Let’s try that! If we’re going to go, I’d like Maaku-kun to join, but… Will that be OK? Won’t somebody spot him there? Eh, we’ll prolly figure out the keyword in no time once we’re there. Plus I can throw off anyone who tails us with my blazing speed! ...All right. Let’s have Maaku-kun join us then. Remember though… We’re going with the intent of not being seen. Mkay. Well, let’s meet in front of the Diet Building and force that bastard’s Palace open!  All right, let’s head to the Diet Building. Make sure you aren’t discovered, OK? Music: Beneath the Mask (Instrumental Version)  Oh yeah, the classic “just a hoodie” disguise. Undefeatable. They’ll never see it coming.  You gotta be kiddin’ me… You realize you’re done for if you get caught, right? …… Sheesh, the stunts you pull sometimes… Just don’t stay out too late. Music: Suspicion    We already have “Masayoshi Shido” and “Diet Building.” All we need is “what” he thinks of this place.  Maybe “Mt. Fuji” since it’s the highest place in the country?  Conditions have not been met. What about a “mansion”? Conditions have not been met. Since he’s going to subjugate everyone as prime minister… perhaps a “school”? Conditions have not been met. What about an “arena” like the Colosseum? Conditions have not been met. “Imperial palace”? Conditions have not been met. I thought we would’ve gained entry by now…Not with these trash guesses! Maybe we shouldn’t have called Maaku-kun here…   Well, this should be good for a laugh. Explain. Shido stole the cognitive psience research, right? Maybe it had some special move written it.A special move? Genius! To pull it off, you have to do a double dragon punch motion, impossible for all but the most honed cognitive fighters. Is that even possible?  Who knows? I’ve got no idea. There was nothing like that in the notes I saw. Anyways, what kinda person is Shido? I can’t figure him out… I did some light research on him last night, but I couldn’t get a grasp on the type of man he is.   That man over there’s probably a legislator, right? I’ll try asking him.  Impostor! Newspaper Club Member is a good person, and I won’t let you impersonate her!  What kind of person is Representative Shido? What’s he think about the National Diet?  His stance is “dedication for country”--it’s how he’s garnered everyone’s trust. He’s an admirable man of action with a first-class determination. I’d say he’s a model politician. I believe that he’ll help create a wonderful future in which young adults like you can live in ease. How did you hear that from over there? It makes sense he wouldn’t tell teenagers anything unnecessary.    Wait, is it about us? That doesn’t look good. We should leave at once. Tomorrow’s a day off, so let’s have an early strategy meeting. Meet at Leblanc, OK? We should all think about this tonight… Well, that was pointless.   However, I believe that this country’s citizens are still living their days in anxiety. These scandals only increase our distrust of the current government. As a citizen myself, I am enraged! Music: Disquiet Look who’s talking. What does it mean to be a politician with responsibility? Working toward personal gain without consideration of the country is outrageous! The election’s public notification is tomorrow, but no matter where I go, people are cheering for Shido. Where are you going, though? Here, your house, the street that connects them…? I’m just saying, you don’t exactly get out much, man. Everyone’s being deceived so easily.   I checked his profile as well, but I couldn’t find much outside of his title and education. He’s currently 53 years old, and has gone from being a metropolitan assemblyman to a representative. Though he is a cabinet minster, he’s split from the ruling party to form the United Future Party. Shido’s a cabinet minister!? For real!? He was specially appointed to the position. That’s his current title. Apparently he also won a contest for who people would most like to have as their boss.“I’d like him to lay me off, heh.” Even the news sites write about him as though he’s assured to become the prime minister. If only we could find out the meaning behind Shido’s words…  Ugh…   It’s preposterous. This isn’t the popularity level of a normal politician anymore. What’s so great about him? I seriously don’t get it. He’s a strong leader who protects his citizens… Well, supposedly. Is everyone blind!? We’ll just need to shed light on who he really is. OK, I’ll tell her that. OK, we’ll figure out the keywords tomorrow for sure!Extremely Ron Howard voice: They won’t.   I get no one knows the truth about him, but it still creeps me out…     Some are insisting for police to take responsibility for failing to prevent the suicide. But most of the public is praising Mr. Goro Akechi and his team for stopping the Phantom Thieves. Looks like we really pulled the wool over their eyes! We better act now before they realize…  Nice Phantom Thieves banner, totally inconspicuous.    It’s just like Shido-san said! We can’t go wrong leaving things to Masayoshi Shido. Shido-san’s gonna be in this election too, right? Politicians like him are promising! Anon: he went down easy Anon: Execute accomplices too! Anon: Just like Akechi-kun said! Anon: as if this settles things… Anon: so he HAS to be guilty  Anon: he got what was coming Anon: Justice with Akechi! Music: Beneath the Mask (Instrumental Version)    I’m relieved to hear that. You appear to have avoided your destiny of death… However, I can’t see anything past that. Please be extra careful. If you’re unsure about anything, I’ll be waiting at the usual spot.    Stop making me worried. I’m glad you’re OK. I just got nervous when I saw the news. Well, I’ll be at the clinic if you need any medicine.  Oh, that’s right. Aren’t you all supposed to be gathering here today? Make sure you finish eating before everyone shows up. It’s almost time for our meeting. I wonder if anybody has figured out the keyword… Music: Disquiet  Conditions have not been met. ...No good.  How many’d we miss?  Perhaps he truly does have a barrier up.   That’s not something to be excited about! We know all the way up to “Diet Building” too…  ...So you enter keywords into the Metaverse Navigator. Boss, can you turn the TV on? Shido might be on it.    Him, and his stupid, composed face! Is it true you withdrew yourself from the media as part of your plan to capture the Phantom Thieves?  I truly apologize for causing such a stir. Honestly, it required a lot of courage to openly oppose them when their popularity was at its peak. I mean, people often lashed out at me online and whatnot. Then, was it also your plan when you said they weren’t at fault after their popularity declined? That was to catch them off guard. I could say I applied my profiling knowledge. Once they lost public support, someone they thought was their greatest enemy lent a hand… That’s the same strategy used in romance, wouldn’t you agree? What the gently caress are you talking about?  It’s not just on TV or online. Newspapers, magazines… I see his face everywhere. On the other hand, no one’s hoping for our comeback on the Phan-Site, like at all!  The Phantom Thieves are “evil.” Shido and Akechi are “just”… It should be the other way around. They’re manipulating information using the media! Leaving Akeachi aside—we’ll get back at him later—our main issue is Shido. Were there any instances before when you didn’t know the Palace keywords? Well, there was the time with Futaba. We didn’t know anything about her, so all we could do was make conjectures. Then, why don’t we just go directly and see Shido?BRILLIANT That’s impossible. He’s surrounded by bodyguards and followers all the time. There’s no way high school students can get an appointment with him either.There’s also a rather large chance he knows your names and what you look like, geniuses. Well, we do have an adult with us…   No, that’s still impossible. Besides, that’s too dangerous a method. *sigh* Well this is a problem…A commotion can be heard outdoors.   Isn’t that an election-campaign car? Oh right! The candidates are currently campaigning!  Music: Desire    Yeah, he did!      ……?   Before the others even have a chance to stand up, Ryuji and Haru run out of Leblanc. Music: Disquiet   This way. Hurry!Time to chase the morons. I get why Ryuji is running, he’s an idiot. But why Haru? She’s not normally that impulsive. I guess it’s because Shido killed her dad, but if that’s the case doesn’t Futaba have an equally compelling beef? By the way, did something happen? You didn’t seem well a moment ago…  We’ll stand out too much if we all go together. Please investigate on your own, Maaku. So the one behind the death of Haru’s father may be out there… Please check it out, Maaku-kun… ...I’ll just wait here and bide my time.  Our government is littered with scandals, and criminals have taken a strong foothold in our society! Such a disgraceful past must be discarded… We must set sail into a new future of dreams and hope!   He’s here!? Where!? Where is he!? Whoa, this is amazing! Let’s go check it out!  So our nation can once again become a powerful one with abundant wealth and luxury! So our beautiful home will be acknowledged as the best country in the world!   That’s right. He’s a strong, admirable man!  Even more than Dad?  Hm, well… yeah, I’d say so. Shido is a wonderful person.What a wuss.   Let us all set sail toward a happy future together!   The audience applauds.  You guys wait here! I’ll go get intel for us!   RYUJI OH MY GOD DUDE  I just wanna talk to him for a sec! He’s a busy man!       Come on, stop…! But, these guys--  It’s utterly hilarious that Shido cultivates this friendly image that he’ll murder to protect, but also having a slightly unpleasant encounter with a brash teenager is enough to make him drop the persona (heh) entirely. Just openly threatening a minor. Awesome.       NO poo poo, REALLY? NEVER WOULDA GUESSED! Music: Tension  This country is filled with clueless children… I worry for Japan’s future. Let them go. My next appointment is coming up.    Wait… He’s the jerk you told us about before…!? The same guy!? For real!? Seriously!? You’re sure… aren’t you?  Shido’s the one who ruined your life… Holy poo poo… I don’t believe it… ……. Let’s get going, OK? Wow, that’s just shocking. I’m so thrown out of wack that I think this is a good place to stop for today. Imagine how much more surprised I’d be if the game had made any attempt to hide that twist whatsoever! Arist fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Dec 12, 2018 |
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It is quite obvious but it does feel narratively satisfying to have a chance to get revenge on Shido as he had effectively ruined your life.
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shido is one of the worst (as in worst-written, worst-presented) villains i've seen from an rpg in years and i will probably continue ranting about it as updates allow
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I love how the main character can only recognize the guy's face and voice when he sees him in public. Shido's on TV constantly but no, only his physical presence triggers flashbacks.
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No, remember he was very close to him just after Kamoshida, remember? Heard his voice and saw his face that time, but wasn't in a place where he could talk about it (read: isn't allowed by the game to think about it until he's supposed to. Yay, uneven character writing.) Shido already is shaping up to be a sterling example of "Big fanfare, little show", isn't he? Built up over the past few updates as this supremely dangerous, Machiavellian manipulator who has everyone fooled, when the only time the audience has seen him personally, he's just been an unpleasant man shouting at people and/or expositing evilly. If you're going to set him up as an arch-villain, as some writers clearly wanted to do, shouldn't he have been more involved from the beginning, as a much more visible foe? Actually doing things to hurt the protagonists, rather than... "Hey, there's this evil guy who's the center of everything who just happens to be at the center of this big conspiracy"? The villain is stupid and bad, is what I mean to say.
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I get that Ryuji could come across as a little obnoxious running up on him like that, but man, he didn't even try to keep up his public persona. Not even a half-assed attempt.Arist posted:
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Alkydere posted:I love how the main character can only recognize the guy's face and voice when he sees him in public. Shido's on TV constantly but no, only his physical presence triggers flashbacks. I mean, electronic distortion is actually a thing. People sound different over electronics than in person. Now as for his face, Maaku has no excuse.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I get that Ryuji could come across as a little obnoxious running up on him like that, but man, he didn't even try to keep up his public persona. Not even a half-assed attempt. I think it's supposed to mean "romance" in the sense of a medieval tale of legend / heroism instead of dating advice.
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Linked music is listed as Disquiet, but the clyp links are titled Restlessness. Is that intentional, or is it the wrong track?
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Kith posted:Linked music is listed as Disquiet, but the clyp links are titled Restlessness. Is that intentional, or is it the wrong track? It's the same track using a different translation of the name.
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Materant posted:I mean, electronic distortion is actually a thing. People sound different over electronics than in person. I think the explanation is that it was relatively dark and that the trauma surrounding what happened hosed with his memory.
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Hunt11 posted:I think the explanation is that it was relatively dark and that the trauma surrounding what happened hosed with his memory. memory can be faulty, that's why eye witnesses are good, but physical evidence bear more weight in court. But yeah, Shido is just a wet fart so far, it's like they're trying to have both a clear and present threat and the surprise villain that Adachi and Ikutsuki were at the same time, and it clearly does not loving work.
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Robindaybird posted:But yeah, Shido is just a wet fart so far, it's like they're trying to have both a clear and present threat and the surprise villain that Adachi and Ikutsuki were at the same time, and it clearly does not loving work. To be fair the villains in the modern persona series have never been that good.
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I won't lie, Ikutsuki and Adachi did catch me off guard, and before they listened to the stupid fandom tried to give him ~dimensions~ in P4G, Adachi was just very much a love to hate given he just extudes the kind of whiny manbaby 'nothing's my fault, the world owes me everything I want' that you'll see everywhere.
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Sep 14, 2018 20:31
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The point of Shido is that he's Donald Trump.
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Really Pants posted:it still mystifies me that Adachi has fans people are willing to overlook some truly wretched behavior if characters got enough cute quirks, or are pretty enough would you believe that there are people who believe Griffith from Berserk is the true Good Guy. And yes, even after the Eclipse.
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I found the writers' attempt at Strega and Ikutsuki 2.0 in Ultimax much better than the original.
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Clarste posted:The point of Shido is that he's Donald Trump. Shinzo Abe technically but in a really bloodless and generic way
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MightyPretenders posted:I found the writers' attempt at Strega and Ikutsuki 2.0 in Ultimax much better than the original. honestly that's kind of easy, as Ikutsuki's betrayal really came out of nowhere and he dies pretty soon afterwards, while Strega has been pretty much antagonistic but on the fringes.
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Ikutsuki dies in the very cut scene he reveals himself to be a bad guy which is always going to come off badly.
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Robindaybird posted:I won't lie, Ikutsuki and Adachi did catch me off guard, and before they listened to the stupid fandom tried to give him ~dimensions~ in P4G, Adachi was just very much a love to hate given he just extudes the kind of whiny manbaby 'nothing's my fault, the world owes me everything I want' that you'll see everywhere. Really Pants posted:it still mystifies me that Adachi has fans I don't know if I'd call myself a fan, but I don't completely hate him, even if I do think he's a really lovely person with extraordinarily negative views of women.
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adachi is fun to hate because he's a cackling shithead who's clearly having the time of his life being E V I L whenever he can get away with it i don't care to examine his fandom any further than that
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I don't know if I'd call myself a fan, but I don't completely hate him, even if I do think he's a really lovely person with extraordinarily negative views of women. yeah there's a difference between liking him as a bad guy, or not completely hate him, but there's people who think he did nothing wrong, those are the mystifying ones.
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A lot of debate in the game thread was spent on Adachi between those who liked him and hated his guts.
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Adachi worked as the main antagonist in P4 BECAUSE of the pettiness and banality of his evil, and what it represented in the story. Both in the margins and how it mirrored the overall narrative (the man using a shadow realm of people’s metaphorical doubts insecurities to kill people not for any profound reason like being in touch with their shadow or some other on-theme psychological reasoning but because gently caress poo poo’s boring and holy poo poo I got magic powers now fits in with the game’s theme of people looking for complex answers and finding simple truths) and his actual role in the story (representing humanity’s emptiness and ennui, yet being the only purely proactive force of the three ‘outsiders’ to Inaba to Namatame’s helpless flailing and Yu’s purely reactive sleuthing and thus winning Izanami’s game and nearly dooming humanity into becoming Shadows) Shido is a... much less successful antagonist for the story, mostly because he’s a stupid cackling Saturday morning villain in a role that could have more effectively been filled by almost anything else, after dealing with basically an entire game of cackling Saturday morning villains. There’s more to the why of that, but none of if it does any service to Shido as a character and it sucks.
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Well, Shido clearly does represent the game's thesis that people in power are assholes who dehumanize the people beneath them. It's not like he's out of place or anything, he just doesn't add much to it.
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Not like the world isn't full of cackling power-tripping assholes who aren't half as smart as they think they are riding on the coat-tails of forces they don't especially understand. He's just kind of dull and looks like a weird hipster.
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Night10194 posted:He's just kind of dull and looks like a weird hipster. I think this is the clutch of the problem. He doesn't have presence, he's not very charismatic he's not really menacing, he's just Unpleasant, and he's just your run of the mill corrupt politician, we're being told he's the center of the conspiracy, but we're given little to believe he's all that capable. Akechi when he revealed his true colors has way more legitimate villain cred than his boss. And aside from getting Maaku arrested and being a jerk in a few run ins we had, he was just pretty much background noise until the finale then it's wham wham wham look how evil I am, and it falls flat.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm-OMVj4zh4
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Robindaybird posted:Akechi when he revealed his true colors has way more legitimate villain cred than his boss. Which could yet turn out to be fine if this is the case. Shido as an incompetent shitlord while Akechi is our real deal junior fascist buddy would be fine.
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Funky Valentine posted:Skyrim meets P5 prologue video could you Polsty that, I'm getting end game spoiler videos on the suggestions list.
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resurgam40 posted:No, remember he was very close to him just after Kamoshida, remember? Heard his voice and saw his face that time, but wasn't in a place where he could talk about it (read: isn't allowed by the game to think about it until he's supposed to. Yay, uneven character writing.) I've got a bit of a soft spot for villains who just loving suck. So often the villain is some supergenius manipulator, it's nice when they are just a contemptible rear end in a top hat.
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I mean I could be wrong, but I've generally gotten the impression most people who like Adachi generally feel along these lines:Hobgoblin2099 posted:I don't know if I'd call myself a fan, but I don't completely hate him, even if I do think he's a really lovely person with extraordinarily negative views of women. Oxxidation posted:adachi is fun to hate because he's a cackling shithead who's clearly having the time of his life being E V I L whenever he can get away with it For actual "what the gently caress, fandom" this game is far, FAR worse. Because  To say legitimate fans of Akechi creep me out is an understatement, and there seems to be a whole bunch of them. Like, they remind me of all the idiots who sent love letters and the like to loving Charles Manson.
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Discourse surrounding Akechi is Complicated and probably better held off for another several updates minimum.
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