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business hammocks posted:This might be fake. I absolutely can’t tell any more. 
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business hammocks posted:This might be fake. I absolutely can’t tell any more. was it some sort of book club group? either way lmao
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Sep 15, 2018 04:53
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Apparently Lolita ends with an ageing pedophile throwdown and implications of continued pedophilic incest
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Sep 15, 2018 04:58
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Wanna see that guy's chatlogs, if that's his cleaned up versions of events. 
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Sep 15, 2018 05:15
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ill admit i havent read a handmaids tale but i sincerely doubt the message is "but what about mens rights?"
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Sep 15, 2018 05:24
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Captain Billy Pissboy posted:ill admit i havent read a handmaids tale but i sincerely doubt the message is "but what about mens rights?" I have read the book. Spoilers below: IT'S loving NOT!
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Sep 15, 2018 05:44
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Captain Billy Pissboy posted:ill admit i havent read a handmaids tale but i sincerely doubt the message is "but what about mens rights?" So yeah, not big on men's rights there. Ghost Leviathan posted:Apparently Lolita ends with an ageing pedophile throwdown and implications of continued pedophilic incest Humbert murders the pedo in his grand house and is put in jail. He writes his memoirs and asks that they be published only after Lola's death, to spare her any grief. He also mentions that he's not attracted to the then-17 year old, but does love her. As an aside, Lolita is not an ephebephile novel. Humbert's attraction to what he calls Nyphetes is based on an early sexual experience he had as a tween, written by Nabokov to mirror Poe's Annabel Lee. Humbert is stuck chasing this weird childish innocence on the cusp of adulthood, and he is repulsed by pubertal girls. That's not even interpretation, there's whole chunks where that's explicitly laid out. If you wanted to be a big weirdo about it, he's a Hebephile, which is basically a discerning loving pedo. But no amount of goonsay semantics masks the fact that he's a deeply loving broken human being. FilthyImp has issued a correction as of 05:48 on Sep 15, 2018 |
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Sep 15, 2018 05:44
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Iirc At the end of the handmaidens tale it's 200 years later and it says the writers notes are found somewhere near the border where people would escape to Canada and they think she might have made it.
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Sep 15, 2018 05:51
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handmaids tale makes no sense to me. the world is in a fertility crisis and the rulers hoard all the fertile women. doesn't that guarantee that within a couple decades they literally have no subjects to rule over? since the common folks aren't reproducing? it seems like a really dumb plan on the evil overlords part.
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Sep 15, 2018 05:57
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jit bull transpile posted:handmaids tale makes no sense to me. the world is in a fertility crisis and the rulers hoard all the fertile women. doesn't that guarantee that within a couple decades they literally have no subjects to rule over? since the common folks aren't reproducing? it seems like a really dumb plan on the evil overlords part. Much like in the real world, in the book the issue of reproductive rights is just an excuse to subjugate women.
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Sep 15, 2018 06:04
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jit bull transpile posted:handmaids tale makes no sense to me. the world is in a fertility crisis and the rulers hoard all the fertile women. doesn't that guarantee that within a couple decades they literally have no subjects to rule over? since the common folks aren't reproducing? it seems like a really dumb plan on the evil overlords part. Slave owners would rape their slaves and then have zero hang ups enslaving the resulting children. Genghis Khan raped so many women that a whole number percent of the world are his direct decedents, yet only a few were his heirs. I doubt these fictional rulers would have any qualms making their own offspring the new common folk. It's how the psychopath ruling class has functioned for literally all of history.
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Sep 15, 2018 06:08
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i guess im glad i don't think that sociopathically. thanks for enlightening me
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Sep 15, 2018 06:14
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Yeah. Weirdos like Peterson and company will argue that women, in ancient times, were a resource to be hoarded for yourself so that your lineage will continue on and thats what they should return to being.
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Sep 15, 2018 06:15
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Everything in the book reflects actual historical practice or belief, just remixed into 80s Boston. The precedents mentioned above are extremely relevant to the novel.
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Sep 15, 2018 06:17
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business hammocks posted:Everything in the book reflects actual historical practice or belief, just remixed into 80s Boston. The precedents mentioned above are extremely relevant to the novel. I couldn't get into the show, but the book is very much what would happen if people like Mike Pence were in charge of everything. It's gross and creepy and entirely too plausible.
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Sep 15, 2018 06:26
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FilthyImp posted:It literally ends with "this person's account informs what life was like during Gilead's hosed up theocratic reign thank god they were overthrown also she was discovered and probably died " I think he calls them nymphets? But it's a really good book. Highly recommend the annotated version, because Nabokov makes hella obscure references and you miss a lot of the subtext without them. But yeah it's a love letter to Annabel Lee and an exploration of 50's America from an outsider point of view (seriously the road trip second half of the book is the best part).
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Sep 15, 2018 06:28
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It does suck to be a man in Gilead in a lot of ways, but most of the problems Gileadean men face come from living in a totalitarian state where citizens are encouraged to watch and inform on each other. The main problem that most men in Gilead have that women don't is that men can be forced to be soldiers (or, as they're known in Gilead, Angels) and sent off to war. And the book focuses on Offred's experience of this dystopian society - because Offred is a woman experiencing misogyny, that's what the story is about. If Atwood wrote about a black person banished to one of the Homelands in the Midwest as a "Child of Ham," it would be a story about racism. If she wrote about an Angel fighting in Gilead's border wars, it would be a story about militarism. But we don't have the Child of Ham's Tale or the Angel's Tale, we have the Handmaid's Tale, and the Handmaid's Tale is about misogyny.
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Sep 15, 2018 06:54
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lolita is a book very much about how the perspective character is 1. totally hosed in the head 2. fits into 1950s america with no appreciable difficulty, because 1950s america was an absolute loving shitshow the second you got behind one of the white picket fences. always liked the character of lolita's mom. one of the early depictions of the american incel. horny, horny beyond all thought and reason, but also desperately clinging to a set of social expectations that mean all her horniness is tinged with a genuinely repulsive self-loathing. you get the sense that Humbert, for all he despises her, finds her much more tolerable than any of the other men she's definitely thrown herself at. at least on some level he grasps the concept of someone being weirdly sexually repressed
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Pththya-lyi posted:It does suck to be a man in Gilead in a lot of ways, but most of the problems Gileadean men face come from living in a totalitarian state where citizens are encouraged to watch and inform on each other. The main problem that most men in Gilead have that women don't is that men can be forced to be soldiers (or, as they're known in Gilead, Angels) and sent off to war. And the book focuses on Offred's experience of this dystopian society - because Offred is a woman experiencing misogyny, that's what the story is about. If Atwood wrote about a black person banished to one of the Homelands in the Midwest as a "Child of Ham," it would be a story about racism. If she wrote about an Angel fighting in Gilead's border wars, it would be a story about militarism. But we don't have the Child of Ham's Tale or the Angel's Tale, we have the Handmaid's Tale, and the Handmaid's Tale is about misogyny. I mean it's basically making the point that men need feminism too.
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Sep 15, 2018 06:59
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CPL593H posted:I mean it's basically making the point that men need feminism too. Or, at the very least, feminism is a core tenet of any socio-economic justice movement going forward. The goal is to reduce coercion and give everybody a decent quality of life, and feminism is a pretty good start.
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Sep 15, 2018 10:08
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People get hung up on the misogynistic and the theocratic aspects of the handmaids tale but the whole point of the affair she has with the servant and the university comments from 200 years later, on top of the part where she gets taken to the sex club is to point out that climate change requires mass disruption to survive. The university reports explicitly say that the Republic of Gilead was started in a coup by a bunch of politicians and bougioise, none of which were part of the evangelical movements they co-opted for mass support in what was obviously incredibly unpopular. It's about fascism is what I'm saying.
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Sep 15, 2018 10:18
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did you just go "well actually the handmaid's tale is about something more important than misogyny"
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Sep 15, 2018 11:41
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business hammocks posted:This might be fake. I absolutely can’t tell any more. 
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Sep 15, 2018 12:19
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Goddamn the handmaids tale is p. hosed up
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Sep 15, 2018 12:19
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business hammocks posted:This might be fake. I absolutely can’t tell any more. I can easily believe the first half, but the second half is a bit too on the nose. I think someone is having a jape, friend.
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Sep 15, 2018 12:30
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Yeah the itemized checklist of "girls who call me a creep" is a bunch of red flags 
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Sep 15, 2018 13:54
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Larry Parrish posted:People get hung up on the misogynistic and the theocratic aspects of the handmaids tale but the whole point of the affair she has with the servant and the university comments from 200 years later, on top of the part where she gets taken to the sex club is to point out that climate change requires mass disruption to survive. The university reports explicitly say that the Republic of Gilead was started in a coup by a bunch of politicians and bougioise, none of which were part of the evangelical movements they co-opted for mass support in what was obviously incredibly unpopular. It's about fascism is what I'm saying. the point of epilogue is to say sexism is still quite pervasive even in a more advanced society
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I can easily believe the first half, but the second half is a bit too on the nose. I think someone is having a jape, friend. Flesh Forge posted:Yeah the itemized checklist of "girls who call me a creep" is a bunch of red flags Y'all say this like those jokes didn't come from the fact that this poo poo is depressingly common among really dumb white dudes. And just generally petty people who love making lists of their grudges.
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Puppy Time posted:Y'all say this like those jokes didn't come from the fact that this poo poo is depressingly common among really dumb white dudes. Well duh, sure, obviously those people exist for real (James Damore is a super good example) and I'd rather read about the real ones tbh
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Sep 15, 2018 19:41
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http://www.mevid.co/2018/09/cnvb.mp4.html I'm told this is a couple years old but still lmao How have I not seen this before
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Sep 15, 2018 20:22
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Tetracube posted:http://www.mevid.co/2018/09/cnvb.mp4.html Holy poo poo this is amazing.
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Sep 15, 2018 20:27
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Hamilton was pretty keen on writing down everything anyone ever said and reminding them of it when he got annoyed, from his writings at least. This poo poo goes way back.
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Sep 15, 2018 20:37
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InediblePenguin posted:did you just go "well actually the handmaid's tale is about something more important than misogyny" Yeah sure. Whatever
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Larry Parrish posted:People get hung up on the misogynistic and the theocratic aspects of the handmaids tale but the whole point of the affair she has with the servant and the university comments from 200 years later, on top of the part where she gets taken to the sex club is to point out that climate change requires mass disruption to survive. The university reports explicitly say that the Republic of Gilead was started in a coup by a bunch of politicians and bougioise, none of which were part of the evangelical movements they co-opted for mass support in what was obviously incredibly unpopular. It's about fascism is what I'm saying. Noted respecters of women’s rights the nazis.
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Sep 15, 2018 21:10
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saying Handmaidens tale is about fascism is a galaxy minded take. it’s more used as set up rather than being the point.
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Sep 15, 2018 21:10
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Brazil was about pipefitting.
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Sep 15, 2018 21:12
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Tetracube posted:http://www.mevid.co/2018/09/cnvb.mp4.html He's not wrong about the Tuskegee Study though I mean the guy is human garbage incarnate but broken clock etc
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Sep 15, 2018 21:16
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xz2euPSA8M&bpctr=1536976974 i am pretty sure this is self own. honestly the dude is weirdly depressing. like he knows he is weird gently caress and he hates himself so he doubles down on doctrine that would end with him dead in ditch because "it would be following natural law".
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I posted this in the nazi thread, but even with the nose he’s not a bad-looking guy. His biggest problems are the bad haircut and polo from the boys’ aisle at Sears. And of course his loathsome personality, which girls can probably smell a mile away. Certainly if he thinks of himself as fat enough that it would affect him socially, that’s incel-level body dysmorphia similar to what a lot of these developing school shooters seem to have.
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