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The article has the worst takes on this.
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Sep 15, 2018 07:37
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Platystemon posted:The article has the worst takes on this. Soon everyone with a chronic condition will have to set up a pharmaceutical lab in their basement be able to afford their medicine.
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Sep 15, 2018 07:44
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Bert Roberge posted:Soon everyone with a chronic condition will have to set up a pharmaceutical lab in their basement be able to afford their medicine. Some of them will die because the batch went bad but it’s O.K. because it will only happen to a few people per batch. 
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Sep 15, 2018 07:54
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Bert Roberge posted:Soon everyone with a chronic condition will have to set up a pharmaceutical lab in their basement be able to afford their medicine. gosh, everyone in this neighbourhood seems to be suffering chronic back pain
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Sep 15, 2018 08:06
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2lv_Xl1e4U This was actually entertaining and anyone who owns a car or something has experienced devaluation. TheMostFrench has issued a correction as of 08:58 on Sep 15, 2018 |
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Sep 15, 2018 08:39
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"DIYers". Just like fixing a leaky tap, except if you fail you're dead.
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Sep 15, 2018 09:16
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i only inject artisanal organic microbrew insulin, just lol at the sad sacks still buying the brand-name crap
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Sep 15, 2018 09:51
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TheMostFrench posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2lv_Xl1e4U Well that was depressing despite seeing it coming.
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Sep 15, 2018 11:18
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Sep 15, 2018 11:21
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Maybe I'm an idiot, but aggressively convincing/basically forcing kids to get a degree to get any non-blue collar job, and then cranking up the cost of a degree seems kinda predatory.
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Sep 15, 2018 15:07
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degrees are in general bullshit anyways and are used as an ideological whipping crop to get workers to blame themselves for having a lovely economic situation because they don't have a degree or didn't get good enough grades or go to a good enough school or whatever stupid bullshit
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Sep 15, 2018 15:18
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Outrail posted:Maybe I'm an idiot, but aggressively convincing/basically forcing kids to get a degree to get any non-blue collar job, and then cranking up the cost of a degree seems kinda predatory. comedyblissoption posted:degrees are in general bullshit anyways and are used as an ideological whipping crop to get workers to blame themselves for having a lovely economic situation because they don't have a degree or didn't get good enough grades or go to a good enough school or whatever stupid bullshit And then it's damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Sep 15, 2018 15:48
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Bombadilillo posted:I'm surprised Amazon doesnt pay its caged workers in Amazon bucks. Until last Sunday they didn't even have a system in place to give fake company scrip to the guys who do the actual hardest job in the building, it was all geared towards rewarding the people who do the easiest non-management job.
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Sep 15, 2018 15:58
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Ghost Leviathan posted:And then it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. Not entirely. A smart and forward thinking young person can decide to go into a modestly to well paying trade that won't destroy their body, thoughtfully invest their earnings instead of blowing it on motorbikes and Hahaha haha sorry
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Sep 15, 2018 15:59
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Outrail posted:Not entirely. A smart and forward thinking young person can decide to go into a modestly to well paying trade that won't destroy their body, thoughtfully invest their earnings instead of blowing it on motorbikes and Hahaha haha sorry Objection, your honor, blaming the victim.
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Sep 15, 2018 16:04
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I work in the biopharma packaging industry and holy poo poo is this ever a bad idea. Sterilization and septic connections are critical throughout the process and a single gently caress up can ruin a whole batch. There is no way to practically downscale the operation for home use like brewing beer or whatever.
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Sep 15, 2018 16:07
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Salvor_Hardin posted:I work in the biopharma packaging industry and holy poo poo is this ever a bad idea. Sterilization and septic connections are critical throughout the process and a single gently caress up can ruin a whole batch. There is no way to practically downscale the operation for home use like brewing beer or whatever. Forreal. Even if you somehowed managed to produce a product that wasnt like 99% LPS, the dosage would be so horribly off that it would either do nothing or you would instantly go into hypoglycaemic shock and die.
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Sep 15, 2018 16:15
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Platystemon posted:The article has the worst takes on this. Holy poo poo you're not wrong: quote:After digging into the insulin affordability issue, we argue that what’s keeping insulin expensive is not patents – it’s regulations. By operating in a regulatory blind spot, DIYers could upset the status quo for drug production.
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Sep 15, 2018 16:27
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If companies ddn't have to worry about being FORCED to sterilize their equipment and accurately measure the doses, they could sell it for less. and less is more!
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Sep 15, 2018 16:46
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Honestly, one of the big cost drivers in biopharm is lack of standardization. Every company does things their own way and require custom products with custom port locations, connector types, filters, etc. Some trade groups are starting to spring up to try and address this but there is a long way to go. A huge portion of my job is to make variations of single-use bags for a single customer with the hope that they will order maybe 100 a year.
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Sep 15, 2018 16:57
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Outrail posted:Not entirely. A smart and forward thinking young person can decide to go into a modestly to well paying trade that won't destroy their body, thoughtfully invest their earnings instead of blowing it on motorbikes and Hahaha haha sorry Semi-serious question: does this exist? For content, here's something I found when I typed "capitalism" into Google image search. 
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Sep 15, 2018 17:52
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Holy poo poo you're not wrong: Lol w/o having clicked the link this must be satire
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Sep 15, 2018 17:56
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https://twitter.com/commiegirl1/status/1040644653479997442 overlord bezos thanks you for the spit-clean boots, uh... commiegirl1
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Sep 15, 2018 18:00
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it's just icky wicky
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Sep 15, 2018 18:35
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Owlbear Camus posted:https://twitter.com/commiegirl1/status/1040644653479997442 except Jeff Bezos isn’t a private citizen. he’s a public figure that just so happens to be the richest person in the world thanks to brutalizing countless Americans
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Sep 15, 2018 19:56
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You could argue it's like a bill of attainder but still gently caress him
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Sep 15, 2018 20:08
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I think that any product that is necessary to sustain life will inevitably be priced as high as possible, no matter how many competitors make the product. That insulin is over-priced despite there being more than one company in the market is because the companies have a gentleman's agreement not to compete with each other on price. There is really no way to enforce a ban on gentleman's agreements, only direct drug price legislation can work. The only situation where this wouldn't be the case is if the product can be made in a foreign country, in which case the foreign company wouldn't care that they would be taking money from people who live on the other side of the world.
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Sep 15, 2018 20:16
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qkkl posted:I think that any product that is necessary to sustain life will inevitably be priced as high as possible, no matter how many competitors make the product. That insulin is over-priced despite there being more than one company in the market is because the companies have a gentleman's agreement not to compete with each other on price. There is really no way to enforce a ban on gentleman's agreements, only direct drug price legislation can work. It's almost like we need some govt regulation to protect people. It's almost like libertarians are wrong!?!
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Sep 15, 2018 20:27
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the reason single payer (i.e. medicare for all) is better than american market hellworld system is because it's effectively a form of direct price control through creating a monopsony (single buyer) to counter oligopoly/monopoly (single seller)
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Sep 15, 2018 20:53
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LMFAO
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Sep 15, 2018 20:55
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Moon Slayer posted:Semi-serious question: does this exist? Man, I thought that signature was Enoch Powell for a second, what a ride.
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Sep 15, 2018 20:56
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americans get really really mad about taxes and someone reaching into their pockets and taking their poo poo but they ignore the bosses doing this to them on a far larger scale Obedient Workers
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Sep 15, 2018 20:56
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comedyblissoption posted:americans get really really mad about taxes and someone reaching into their pockets and taking their poo poo they actually get really mad when their money is taken and then used on other people. they don't mind the government taking their money and fixing the roads where they live. i'm wondering what americans would feel about simply price controls, like for example a law where a drug that's been on the market for twenty years cannot be sold for more than the amount it costs to manufacture/ship plus a 5% profit margin. the percentage can be customized based on how long the drug has been on the market, so a newly invented drug that's still under patent could for example be allowed a 50% profit margin to encourage people to develop new drugs.
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Sep 15, 2018 21:15
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Maybe we should just remove the profit motive from healthcare because it shouldn't be about making a loving profit.qkkl posted:be allowed a 50% profit margin to encourage people to develop new drugs. The government funds most drug R&D right now, private companies just make a couple changes then make bank off privatizing the government funded research. The profit is not going into R&D, it's going to executive bank accounts.
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Sep 15, 2018 21:23
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comedyblissoption posted:americans get really really mad about taxes and someone reaching into their pockets and taking their poo poo Canadians tend to have this vague notion that First Nations people are being cut cheques for $70k a year for nothing, despite them being over represented in our penal system and child poverty statistics, to the point that our national broadcaster, CBC, has to disable comments for any news story that has to do with First Nations people. The odd time that a story makes reference to someone of FN descent or has to do with one of our northern territories and the comments are allowed... proves why the policy is in place.
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Sep 15, 2018 21:43
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comedyblissoption posted:americans get really really mad about taxes and someone reaching into their pockets and taking their poo poo Not going to lie, I still get a knee-jerk reaction every time I look at my pay slip and see $200 taken out for federal tax, state tax, health, dental, etc. I think "man, I really could have used that $200 extra this month." but then I come to my senses and remember that if I get into a car accident tomorrow, that's when all the money that's been taken out so far will be worth it. Plus, roads and clean water and that stuff.
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Sep 15, 2018 21:47
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WampaLord posted:Maybe we should just remove the profit motive from healthcare because it shouldn't be about making a loving profit. The purpose of allowing companies to make a profit would be to give an incentive for future companies to develop new drugs. Even if the R&D is funded by the government it would still be good to give those researchers who receive the government funds an incentive to work hard. A researcher would work harder on developing the cure for cancer if they knew that they would be a billionaire if they succeeded, as opposed to just receiving their government funded salary.
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Sep 15, 2018 21:51
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eh I was thinking about becoming the greatest figure in all of medical history and receiving universal acclaim and the undying gratitude of billions, but what's in it for me?
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Sep 15, 2018 22:16
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Lol imagine thinking the actual researchers are gonna be the ones making billions, and not the execs that own and run the company the researchers work for Imagine thinking that
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