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fknlo posted:ZLC:  having known personally several people that used to work in that facility I'm not surprised, it's probably why those people transferred to other ARTCCs. Well that and the fact those guys were from the south and hated the Utah cold
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The Ferret King posted:Ask Me About Air Traffic Control: No, the ones who can't, do all the time  We have a controller that wanted to go to OJTI school a bit more than a year ago, and asked for my endorsement (NATCA's endorsement,) to take the course. He's a terrible controller, with awful habits, no fucks given about the airplanes, the job, or his coworkers. I refused, and he went crying to the OM, who of course sent him anyway. Fast forward a year, and his first trainee has asked to never train with him again, and wants to train on Wed/Thu so that he doesn't ACCIDENTALLY train with him again. I also currently have a trainee that is about to wash out, the first near wash-out my area has had in quite awhile. He's awful, just does NOT see traffic at all. This OJTI recently sat with my current (nearly-washing-out) trainee, and said "Ya, he's good to go. I'd recommend him if I could." Said OJTI just asked for my endorsement to be an evaluator. (My area requires the training team recommend, then another evaluation before a checkride.) WHAT DO YOU THINK MY ANSWER WAS?
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Butt Reactor posted:
I haven't worked at ZLC, but my interactions with them aren't overwhelmingly positive. ZDV isn't any better. So many lazy controllers that won't do poo poo to help anyone else. The work environment here sucks. There are a ton of transfers that come here and then leave within a few years. I get it.
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I've been having a very positive experience as a GA pilot lately, mostly VFR flight following with ZMP, ZAU, ZDV, ZLC, ZSE, and ZOA. Socal tracon can suck a fat one though. VNY tower has blown me away with their service, same with LGB and BUR towers. Maybe I got lucky with those last two but VNY has been great all week. Update on my FAA status, I resigned last month for a flying job. Got me out of FSS and back home. Had a good experience working Alaska FSS but I don't regret leaving since natca made it clear that they had no real intention on helping me get back to one of the other options. The ATM took my resignation personally and refused to have a meeting with me prior to my last day, equally, natca refused to acknowledge it too. My experience on that side of the radio has really helped me out on this side of it.
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One of my coworkers is amazing.
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Oh are we posting pictures from work? I've had this one for a long time
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I like to daydream about what the staffing levels at mismanaged metro facilities like ZOA, ZMA, ZNY, N90, etc would be like if we had actual job portability. 
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MrYenko posted:One of my coworkers is amazing. This is the best thing I’ve seen online today.
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Cocoa Crispies posted:This is the best thing I’ve seen online today. I dunno, needs more font size changes and random capitalization to really capture the tone of the original 
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MrYenko posted:You’re right. I’d been drinking when I wrote that out.
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@yenko and I were thinking we should crowdfund a Goons callsign. It's $4000 
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TangoFox posted:@yenko and I were thinking we should crowdfund a Goons callsign. It's $4000 To clarify, we discovered that it costs $4000 to register an ICAO callsign. “Center, DickButt Sixty-Nine looking for flight following.” I leave it to you to discuss our three-letter ID. Bhurak posted:For those interested, I updated my effort post. Add it to the OP if you want. Thanks! It’s really interesting seeing how an agency that isn’t absolutely crippled by beauracracy does things.
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Bhurak posted:For those interested, I updated my effort post. Add it to the OP if you want. Added, thank you. Are there no medical clearance requirements for NavCan controllers?
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There are however they don't require you to submit to a medical exam until you are offered a seat in training. It's appreciated since there are only 10 locally and they are typically booked months in advance. They also cost money, which up here in soviet canuckistan is unusual. PT6A will have done at least one and can probably explain better than I. Relevant information is here. One thing I have noticed is that they've somewhat softened their stance on SSRI medication. Last I looked they said no but now it seems they are taking it on a case by case basis.
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Bhurak posted:There are however they don't require you to submit to a medical exam until you are offered a seat in training. It's appreciated since there are only 10 locally and they are typically booked months in advance. Yeah, I believe you need a class 2 medical, and I have no idea what the requirements are for that. You're in Edmonton, right? We obviously have a better situation down here in Calgary because I can usually get an appointment for my medical renewal within a few weeks (and the office is conveniently located walking distance from where I work), so if you need something on shorter notice, consider making the drive. The cost is $150 usually, but I get a discount through work now so it's only $75. The doc makes the same corny dadjokes every year, but it's good because I think it lessens anxiety and whatnot.
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How far out can you clear someone direct to destination? What determines if you can? My standing record is 300NM but we always fly at 10k or less cause we’re not pressurized— don’t know if it’s more if you’re higher.
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Bob A Feet posted:How far out can you clear someone direct to destination? What determines if you can? My standing record is 300NM but we always fly at 10k or less cause we’re not pressurized— don’t know if it’s more if you’re higher. In the radar environment, with no gaps in coverage, there really isn't a distance limit. It has more to do with how far you can go before inter-facility procedures require a reroute. I should clarify. I can clear you direct to Japan. Doesn't mean you're gonna keep it for long.
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I see controllers clear pilots direct to fixes in Alaska all the time while I'm observing at ZSE. On a different note- we thought we had it bad starting D-side labs in January. Coworker got a text from a classmate that went to Memphis. Her labs are estimated to start some time in 2020.
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The Ferret King posted:In the radar environment, with no gaps in coverage, there really isn't a distance limit. It has more to do with how far you can go before inter-facility procedures require a reroute. 100% this. If you're flying during the day, you getting LoA compliant routing so I don't have to make a phone call, because I'm busy. If it's 3 in the morning, you're getting the coordination fix on the arrival, because Jacksonville doesn't care when Im only giving them an airplane an hour.
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I think there's a point to point limit on clearances off the ground(?), but once you're in the air it's whatever you can get away with at that time.
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I'm not aware of one. Cleared direct, cleared as filed (when they filed direct). Automations used to need at least one fix per En Route center for the handoffs to work correctly but I don't know if that's even necessary anymore with ERAM. Even then, it's not like Clearance Delivery *can't* clear direct, it's just that the computer probably spits out some extra fixes when needed.
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The Ferret King posted:I'm not aware of one. Cleared direct, cleared as filed (when they filed direct). The center side has a whole gently caress-ton of pref routes that the computer is going to assign based on departure and destination pairs. There's also all kinds of hacked-in workarounds that exist to counter airspace and procedure problems that the people upstairs encountered over the years, which I've become convinced are AT THE MOST 50% necessary now in ERAM, but still exist as legacy bloat.
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There's some gotcha they do in the dysim here with distance on a clearance. I think it might be from this:  but I'm not entirely sure. I'll have to try to remember to ask tomorrow.
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fknlo posted:There's some gotcha they do in the dysim here with distance on a clearance. So I guess this has to do with an aircraft calling in the air to pick up their IFR clearance? I still haven't gotten a good explanation. Also, taking 3 sick leave hits and then working somewhere around 6 hours on position is a really lovely way to start the week. This place sucks.
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"Congratulations! You have been tentatively selected for an Air Traffic Control Specialist (FG-2152) Trainee position with the Federal Aviation Administration." Thanks to everyone's advice earlier with the ATSAT test, I guess I didn't muck it up as much as I thought I did.
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Mollymauk posted:"Congratulations! You have been tentatively selected for an Air Traffic Control Specialist (FG-2152) Trainee position with the Federal Aviation Administration." Next piece of advice: Don’t go to ZNY. Congrats!
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Had my face-to-face interview today. The least personable interview I've ever had since they were busy asking form questions and taking notes. Hard to say how it went since the interviewers are removed by at least one step from the final decision. Either way I've updated my effort post accordingly.
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MrYenko posted:Next piece of advice: Don’t go to ZNY. Well if I get through the academy I am only allowed to go to N90 so I can't take your advice even if I wanted.
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Student pilot here. I was landing (solo) at an AFIS airport. I'm unsure about how much direction they're supposed to give you. I kinda had to drag out of him which taxiways to use. Was I supposed to just announce where I wanted to taxi and then do it? This is in Denmark if it matters.
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Per posted:Student pilot here. From a pilot perspective: I looked up what this is, and based on our equivalent in Canada (and I cannot stress enough -- this is only based on local laws and regulations, and you should ask someone local): you're correct with your last sentence. At an airport with just a mandatory frequency and a ground station, the ground station (AFIS, in your case; I'm completely blanking on the Canadian term for the equivalent thing) exists to provide information about traffic and aerodrome conditions, but they can't tell you to do or not do something -- they can suggest what to do, but nothing beyond that. It is your responsibility to determine how best to taxi, arrive, depart, etc. based on the information they provide and any published arrival/departure/ground procedures for the airport. If you already knew where you were taxiing, the proper procedure would be to say "AIRPORT radio, XYZ taxiing via A, B, C to Whereever" and then they'd acknowledge and you could taxi. If there was conflicting traffic, they would advise you of it and possibly suggest a way to handle it. If you didn't know where you were taxiing, at an unfamiliar airport, you could ask where a certain thing is located on the airport, and they would tell you, and then you could, based on that information, tell them how you intend to taxi. Asking for specific taxiway routing would be reserved for a situation where you're very unfamiliar with the airport and have no idea where you're going, which is probably why they were reluctant to give you such a route.
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Okay, thanks a lot, that makes sense. On a side note, isn't it a bit strange that stuff like AFIS are called different things? Shouldn't that be standardized?
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Per posted:Okay, thanks a lot, that makes sense. It seems like AFIS is the ICAO term, we call it "airport advisory" here in Canada (that's the term I was blanking on earlier). Every country has different procedures by a little bit -- they are almost always very similar, but ever so slightly different. It's certainly something to be aware of if you plan on flying internationally. I'm told, for example, that some Caribbean countries require you to have a clearance before engine start. Here in Canada, you only need a clearance before taxiing at a controlled airport.
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We're on A-Side "training" this week and I got to observe my first "this is where we earn the money" moment when Seatac closed to everyone. What a great spot to build a major airport. Controller I was sitting with started instructing me to do some stuff and I couldn't keep up. "You are not ready to be certified!"  Classes start in November...
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Sounds like PBI.
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Mollymauk posted:Well if I get through the academy I am only allowed to go to N90 so I can't take your advice even if I wanted.  I guess it could be worse...
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Got my notice than I go no further. So my effort post is complete as far as I can go. Hopefully another goon can finish the process someday.
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Very sorry to hear that. That's really frustrating.
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I appreciate it. Just wish I failed sooner. Started to get some hope. I can apply again in July. Might do it again. I learned a fair bit and I will probably be able to afford to relocate the next time around. I suspect that the competition for the jobs that don't require moving are very stiff and with a house and baby on the way I didn't think moving was an affordable option.
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