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akechi has the worst haircut of the entire cast and he should be despised for that alone
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Sep 15, 2018 00:40
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True, which is why I didn't get into the reasons. I'll admit I'm probably treading too close to encouraging talk along those lines though. In regards to the other villains, P4G always came across to me as giving Adachi dimensions simply to make him a more realistic character, rather than the rather one-dimensional one he was initially. It doesn't make him any more sympathetic at least, it just helps show how he came to be like that, along with emphasizing him being the dark mirror of the P4 MC. I mean, the "I cover up for Adachi" ending has him loving blackmailing you afterwards - I don't think you were suddenly supposed to be sympathetic to him. As for Shido, people keep trying to think this is a mystery piece. It's not, it's a HEIST piece. And in most heist films, the villain isn't some big secret, even if the main characters aren't sure who he is. Generally the point of them is just how they'll end up screwing over the villain, not figuring out who they are. Shido in particular mostly just comes across as a petty politician who found a seemingly untraceable tool, was unscrupulous enough to use it, and dumb enough to not really use it with any real caution. Someone can dislike what ATLUS did certainly, but it kind of seems deliberate that once you start seeing who he really is that he doesn't come across as some villainous mastermind or whatever, just a corrupt politician, and not a terribly smart one at that.
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Sep 15, 2018 00:48
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Him cultivating his nice public image and still being an rear end in a top hat to teenagers anyway also doesn’t seem like as much of a disconnect when the teenager is such an obvious “troublemaker/delinquent” as Ryuji is, regardless of how truthful that statement is in reality. Part of his strategy is appealing to the middle aged and higher voting majority after all. He’s just a capable corrupt politician who knows how to play the game and order Akechi around, he doesn’t need to be some great mastermind because of that.
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Sep 15, 2018 01:22
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Lol ohhh no a Japanese politician being a jerk to a teen! Whatever will he do without ~the youth vote~
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Sep 15, 2018 01:46
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Lol ohhh no a Japanese politician being a jerk to a teen! Whatever will he do without ~the youth vote~ What's the voting age in Japan anyway, 20?
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Sep 15, 2018 01:51
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I'm not saying it's a huge issue that he's being rude to Ryuji, it's just that A: There's tons of people watching him at that moment and B: It's comical how small and petty the grievance that got him to drop the act was, to the point where it's astounding that he keeps it up at all.
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Sep 15, 2018 02:16
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GhostStalker posted:What's the voting age in Japan anyway, 20? Four years ago you'd have been correct; it was lowered to 18 in 2015.
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Sep 15, 2018 03:42
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If anything Shido being lovely to a random teenager would probably win him votes.
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Sep 15, 2018 03:47
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Where the gently caress are Akechi's parents? His mother needs to smack the stupid out of him.
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Sep 15, 2018 03:58
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Malah posted:Where the gently caress are Akechi's parents? His mother needs to smack the stupid out of him. they're dead, op
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Sep 15, 2018 04:06
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Malah posted:Where the gently caress are Akechi's parents? Clearly he killed them first. 
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Sep 15, 2018 04:12
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surely we all remember how he bonded with us by casually mentioning how his mother had him out of wedlock and then killed herself from the shame if it weren't for shido bankrolling him he'd probably be a ward of the state somewhere
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Sep 15, 2018 04:18
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Malah posted:Where the gently caress are Akechi's parents? His mother needs to smack the stupid out of him. quote:
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...Did I bother you? My apologies. Apparently, my mother was in a relationship with some low-life of a man…
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Goro's dad went to go get Powerball tickets. Before he was born.
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Sep 15, 2018 05:03
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HIJK posted:akechi has the worst haircut of the entire cast and he should be despised for that alone Sweater vest! 
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Sep 15, 2018 06:12
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Thank you for showing us the text message conversations with the confidants. I really like stuff like that.
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Sep 15, 2018 12:18
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I've never played the game nor read about it, so I'm completely speculating about what the keyword for Shido's palace is. I have it in my mind that he sees himself as an actor putting up a front, everyone else as his adoring fans, so his palace will either be a stage, movie set, or a theater.
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Sep 15, 2018 19:14
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Oxxidation posted:surely we all remember how he bonded with us by casually mentioning how his mother had him out of wedlock and then killed herself from the shame  Could they telegraph how this is going to end any more obviously?Actually, what keeps me in suspense is not the annoyingly predictable outcome, but which one?
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Sep 15, 2018 20:18
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Funky Valentine posted:If anything Shido being lovely to a random teenager would probably win him votes. There is literally not a demographic out there that's worth less than the youth in Japanese politics, except for immigrants (if you even think of them as a real demographic) Now, if he'd have been rude to an old? Now that would have been something serious, mind you. But a teenager is worth exactly gently caress all even if anyone had bothered to give the tiniest of shits to film it (they wouldn't have)
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Sep 15, 2018 23:13
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Geomancing posted:I've never played the game nor read about it, so I'm completely speculating about what the keyword for Shido's palace is. I have it in my mind that he sees himself as an actor putting up a front, everyone else as his adoring fans, so his palace will either be a stage, movie set, or a theater. He keeps talking about "setting sail for a better future" or some poo poo so I bet it's a ship.
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Sep 15, 2018 23:18
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Concept: Shido is insecure about his male pattern baldness. His palace is literally Hair Club for Men.
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Sep 15, 2018 23:25
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Shido's Palace is the Cloud District. It's completely empty because not many people have been to it. Deceitful Penguin posted:except for immigrants (if you even think of them as a real demographic) I think the preferred nomenclature is "temporary foreign guests".
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Sep 16, 2018 00:22
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GunnerJ posted:He keeps talking about "setting sail for a better future" or some poo poo so I bet it's a ship. Battleship. Calling it now. 1. It’s anime as hell. 2. Japan isn’t legally allowed to have a military, just a self-defense force (the difference is primarily in the definition) 3. The newest generation of conservative politicians in Japan want to get rid of that rule. 4. Abe, current PM of Japan, is a member of that group. 5. Shido is based off Abe. Could be misremembering some of the political stuff.
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Sep 16, 2018 00:44
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Ding ding ding ding Look it’s just, even if that’s the case, Shido has been talking about youth and their future and the future of the country which is basically the younger generation who will eventually grow into adults, you’d think he would bother keeping up some appearances. Also I bet Shido is arrogant enough to be rude to an old, because he’s just that stupid and egotistical.
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Sep 16, 2018 16:12
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Keep in mind that Shido's success is due partly to charisma and planning, but also to dozens of magical psychic murders just happening to occur in ways that directly benefit him. He doesn't have to be a super-genius mastermind, he has an evil brain assassin on staff.
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Sep 16, 2018 17:35
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Shido would seem a lot more unrealistic if it wasn't for the horror show that has become US politics.
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Sep 16, 2018 17:38
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I personally never trust a kid who's name rhymes with "sketchy"
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Sep 16, 2018 21:40
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Hunt11 posted:Shido would seem a lot more unrealistic if it wasn't for the horror show that has become US politics.
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Sep 16, 2018 22:04
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Shido gradually comes off less as any single Prime Minister and more like the human embodiment of the LDP.
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Sep 16, 2018 22:11
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Funky Valentine posted:Shido gradually comes off less as any single Prime Minister and more like the human embodiment of Fixed that for you. Unless you think two-faced and unscrupulous lying snakes are limited to just one party, of course. These days it seems more the standard than the exception, regardless of country or proposed stance.
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Oxxidation posted:Shinzo Abe technically but in a really bloodless and generic way  You drat teens need to stop pestering me and go make more Japanese babies
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This one struck me. I wouldn't be surprised if his palace was a daycare or a school, though it might be a grasp.
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I like the suggestion of a ship, bc that sounds outrageously dumb and we need more "what the gently caress is that??" palaces. Over-the-top gonzo battleship sounds right up his alley. Malah fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Sep 17, 2018 |
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Sep 17, 2018 02:06
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Malah posted:I like the suggestion of a ship, bc that sounds outrageously dumb and we need more "what the gently caress is that??" palaces.
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Sep 17, 2018 04:54
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Going by all the speeches public and private from both himself and his cronies about how he's the only one who can and should reform Japan, he may genuinely think of himself as a heroic person saving the country and it may be something related to a hero complex. I just don't know what you might call that as a location. Could be wrong, since it has specified the DIET building and not all of Japan, after all.
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Sep 17, 2018 05:25
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AradoBalanga posted:So basically his palace is going to be Totally Not Space Battleship Yamato then, got it. He is voiced by Char. So a Gundam ship would make more sense.
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Sep 17, 2018 06:54
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Lord Koth posted:Fixed that for you. Unless you think two-faced and unscrupulous lying snakes are limited to just one party, of course. These days it seems more the standard than the exception, regardless of country or proposed stance. No, of course he's a stereotype of ~all politicians~ and not the right-wing party that has ruled almost continuously for the entirety of Japans democratic history and had the greatest hand in shaping its political landscape Did you completely loving forget Tora in your South Park level political analysis?
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Sep 17, 2018 14:37
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thank goodness we’re here to fight about the politics in our anime game, better take this one to the Thunderdome boys
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Part 157: 11/23-11/24: Call Me Hamill Music: Disquiet   Shido’s the guy who set you up…!?  What kind of fate brought you two back together…?The kind of fate that relies on plot contrivances!   Talk about a destined connection…  Shido was involved in the cognitive research too, right? This can’t be dismissed as just a coincidence…  God… What the hell’s going on here?  Shido was already a politician then, yet he sued a student and ruined his future? He must have pulled some strings so that his name wouldn’t be mentioned… Furthermore, he also would’ve had to force that woman into making a false statement. He would do anything. We’re talking about a man who ordered a hit inside the police station. He can’t sit still until he crushes whoever opposed him, no matter how trivial. He’s always been that way.   “Children are the future,” my rear end! What he’s sayin’ and doin’ are completely different! But now that we found out who did it, can’t something be done about Maaku’s record? Once the courts have made a judgment, overturning that decision will be difficult. It’d barely be possible even if proof of innocence is presented and Shido admits to his crimes. At any rate, we need to trigger a change of heart in him. Be that as it may, Shido’s outer appearance and his true face are wholly different. It’s beyond hypocritical. It’s as if he’s an entirely different person.  He speaks about the good of the country… It makes me wonder what really is on his mind. That man’s full of ambition to rise in the world. He only thinks of the weak as stepping stools for his success. He treats himself as an elite man while looking down on others… That’s the worst. I assume the keyword for what he believes the Diet Building is will be despicable too. It must be something self-centered and completely different from politics. Someone like him needs to be punished as soon as possible! Let’s head to the Diet Building again right after school tomorrow. I feel we’ll get it this time! Stewing over it won’t get anywhere. We have to do this… The Phantom Thieves nod in agreement. Music: Beneath the Mask  And it’s a twist told in the most prosaic fashion possible!    I ain’t worried. It’s cool, if you’re all good. I don’t need nothing. Stop by the shop if you want some weapons.Awww, Iwai’s too macho to say it, but he was worried.      Candidates from all parties have taken to the streets, asking for support from voters. United Future’s Masayoshi Shido has been actively giving speeches in Yongen-Jaya and other areas. Can you believe how popular he is? But that guy is such a bastard…    Oh, yeah, those clothes… You’d stand out if everyone else is wearing their school uniforms. It might be a good idea to wear your uniform when you head out.  I should wear my school uniform when I head out tomorrow…But we didn’t wear it last time… Hm, wearing a specific outfit for no reason? Must be an animated cutscene tomorrow!   It’ll totally be an easy win for Shido-kun. He really got famous from all that Phantom Thieves business. He’s on track to become prime minister. Guess I should be on Shido’s side… Anon: So did he do it or not!? Anon: Execute accomplices too! Anon: Just like Akechi-kun said! Anon: so he HAS to be guilty Anon: what kinda idiot does this?  Anon: Akechi got the last laugh! Anon: A worthy end for a villain Anon: AKECHI IS BAE!!! Anon: c’mon, leak his name! Music: Suspicion    I think Masayoshi Shido is even more amazing though. He’s the first politician I’ve ever believed in.  Oh, I know Shido-san too! Sounds like he really wants to improve this country!  Music: Beneath the Mask (Instrumental Version)    Thank goodness! I was really worried! I thought I’d never see you again… Man, it’s such a relief to hear things are OK. Well, if you need anything, I’ll be at the arcade.    Thank goodness you’re all right. You’re such a bad student. Hiding the pieces isn’t allowed, you know. Well, if you need anything, I’ll be at the church.    So you’re OK? That’s a relief. I’m expecting great things from the Phantom Thieves. If you need anything, I’m happy to help, my comrade. Tora is just the best.  You’re taking off tonight, right? Sheesh, you’re such a risk-taker… Listen, make sure nobody notices you, OK? We have to do something about the keyword for sure this time… Music: Wicked Plan Awful jokey music for this situation.   But we still have no hit…  Think it’s a barrier after all?  Where’d your enthusiasm from yesterday go?  Uh, what???  Enough chatting. You should only be thinking about the keyword!  The citizens are secondary. He only cares about his own well-being and that of his lackeys…  He wants to become prime minister even if it means trampling on others… Fortune… Rich people… Hey, Maaku, can you think of anything based on what you’ve heard from him? Just try saying anything. It doesn’t matter if you guess.  Music: Suspicion  Well, that’s really heavy-handed, but okay.   Result found.   What? The Diet Building’s a ship!? What kind of scenery will that be!? The actual building’s on land! I can’t even begin to fathom what it will be like… Well, whatever it is, looks like there are no barriers! Sh-Shuddup! Let’s hurry up and go in!That’s a good thing, Ryuji. Are we clear of the guard’s sight? Get closer to the wall, just in case. All right… Do it, Maaku. Beginning navigation.  The security guards seem to be gone, but it’s difficult to tell for certain… This seems to be similar to what happened with Sis’s Palace. But this time, the Diet Building remains unchanged… Ah… The gate wasn’t open earlier though.  That means we’re definitely in a Palace. C’mon, let’s go take a look. Limitless Pride Music: Limitless Pride  Nah. It’s totally normal. I’ll check it out!   What the heck? What’s up, Futaba? …… What is it?      How the gently caress did you idiots not notice this!? You knew it was a boat!     Even though this country may sink, he alone will survive… That’s what this cognition is about, huh…? How poetic, Haru. What new depths of depravity will we find in Shido’s Palace? Who knows! I do know one thing, though:  This should be the new 
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