Office Pig posted:

The Trump thread (vanilla USPOL really) has been irretrievable for years, although you can be forgiven for believing Trump had shaken the dynamics.

ANYWAY
https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1041757093022392321?s=21

HootTheOwl posted:

Speaking of, are you people still convinced he's secretly running?

HootTheOwl posted:

So, yes?

Condiv posted:

just laughing that you're still reflexively defending the scumbag

it's pretty funny

Trabisnikof posted:

I think the fact that "centrists" are more likely to slam the report button constantly is a big part of why some people feel like the moderation is biased in that thread. A thousand wails go out whenever someone mentions the ACA negotiations but idk if people do the same when someone posts something "good dems".

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

"Do you loving people still think that this guy who refuses to take himself off the ballot despite multiple opportunities to do so, is running?" I say as I disappear up my own smug rear end in a top hat.

HootTheOwl posted:

Speaking of, are you people still convinced he's secretly running?

Condiv posted:

no but you see he said he couldn't get off the ballot

never mind the fact that was a total lie, i need to rush in here and defend him

quote:

unprompted!

HootTheOwl posted:

Again: what?

What?

Condiv posted:

what aren't you getting? would you like me to link the definition of unprompted for you? has obsessing over trump's every tweet melted you brain?

HootTheOwl posted:

I'm getting at that I'm not defending him and that bringing up "Trump thread when AOC won" is a prompt for "Crowley is trying to ratfuck her" chat. What do you think unprompted means?

Condiv posted:

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/1041797176609914887

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/1041797176609914887

VitalSigns posted:

Oh if you're trying to argue that Crowley isn't intending to ratfuck AOC just argue that, you don't have to try to spin ridiculous sophistries about how you can accept the nomination and get your name on the ballot and somehow not be running for election.

Getting off the ballot is simple, legal, and happens all the time in NY State when a third party trying to run a fusion ticket fucks up and bets on the wrong winner. All it takes is the candidate's consent and the WFP does the rest; refusing to consent to the procedure to remove one's name from the ballot is good cause to believe there's intent to ratfuck the nominee but it doesn't matter what Crowley intends deep within his most secret heart of hearts anyway, because he made a pledge to support her candidacy wholeheartedly and refusing to vacate the nomination of the WFP when it wants to support her is clearly not living up to his pledge.

Fulchrum posted:

So no act is too much contrition for someone who loses a primary to show to remove themselves from the race.

I expect to hear about your passionate calls for Cynthia Nixon to be exiled from New York state to prevent her ratfucking Cuomo any day now.

sexpig by night posted:

literally the bar is 'don't try to run on the ticket after losing', that's exactly where it's at. Him getting the Queens post is lame but whatever that's expected of the slimeballs, but yes him being on the ballot, even if it won't mean anything, is a pretty big slap in the face move that serves no purpose other than going 'gently caress you, uppity leftist woman'.

VitalSigns posted:

I love how delightfully insane the hyperbolic defenses of Crowley's shittery are.

"Hey could you sign this thing to withdraw from the race you say you don't want to run in anymore"
"What you want to exile him from the land and turn him out into the wilderness, you monsters! Who are you coming for next! "

Fulchrum posted:

He was on the ticket for the other party before the election. Try to at least figure out dates before you start screaming about conspiracies.


The "thing to sign" being either a declaration of electoral fraud, his own death certificate, or a permanent change of address form to a place outside of New York. Because those are literally the only three ways that it is possible for him to be removed from the ballot. Though I know you like to ignore that objective reality because it gets in the way of your persecution complex.

Though I do like your classism that anything outside of New York is just wilderness with no cities.

So, again, I await the calls for Cynthia Nixon leave New York, or commit fraud, just to prevent her ratfucking Cuomo.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

He literally does not live in New York. And can easily change it back later. This is absolutely trivial.

Fulchrum posted:

The "thing to sign" being either a declaration of electoral fraud

Fulchrum posted:

He was on the ticket for the other party before the election. Try to at least figure out dates before you start screaming about conspiracies.


The "thing to sign" being either a declaration of electoral fraud, his own death certificate, or a permanent change of address form to a place outside of New York. Because those are literally the only three ways that it is possible for him to be removed from the ballot. Though I know you like to ignore that objective reality because it gets in the way of your persecution complex.

Though I do like your classism that anything outside of New York is just wilderness with no cities.

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The party wanted to put her on its line in November, and had asked Mr. Crowley to vacate the line by running for another office that he had no intention of occupying and little chance of winning, whether a county clerkship or state legislative post. But Mr. Lipton said the Crowley campaign declined to work with them on the maneuver.
...
There are no residency requirements, however, for some offices, and election lawyers say Mr. Crowley could put his name in nomination for any number of positions.

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“If they nominated for him the Assembly or the state Senate or an office like that, and he consented to it, he could get off the ballot,” said New York-based election lawyer Jerry Goldfeder in an interview with Vox.

In a state with so many third-party candidates, this can be confusing. In fact, Ocasio-Cortez recently received the write-in nomination to be the Reform Party candidate ... in a completely different district she wasn’t running in.

As the New York Times’s Lisa W. Foderaro pointed out, the thinking here would be for WFP to nominate Crowley for a seat that he’d have little-to-no chance of winning, “like a county clerkship in a region of the state dominated by the other party.” Some positions don’t have residency requirements, and a lawyer for the Working Families Party says it should be easy for Crowley to do this.

“I respect Congressman Crowley’s concerns, but there are common, straightforward and legal ways to remove candidates from the ballot in cases like this,” said WFP counsel Alex Rabb in a statement. “There are offices around the state for which the Congressmember could be nominated. The New York State Court of Appeals has found that it is standard for parties to substitute candidates after a primary election, and that the practice does not violate the letter or the spirit of the law.”

Fulchrum posted:

So, again, I await the calls for Cynthia Nixon leave New York, or commit fraud, just to prevent her ratfucking Cuomo.

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

Note that in this, as in all things, Fulchrum is absolutely brimming with horseshit.

VitalSigns posted:

Probably not worth discussing since HtO is obviously just here to make snide comments and insinuations while ignoring arguments he can't answer, but I do find it interesting that even he isn't attempting to defend Crowley stubbornly clinging to the WFP nomination despite his pledge and the wishes of the Working Families Party itself (naturally, as it is of course indefensible) so he just defines the whole problem out of existence with an act of doublethink.

Fulchrum posted:

Yes, he legally does live in New York. And changing his address would prevent him from running in politics for at least a decade. All to satisfy a raging persecution complex that by definition would not be assuaged by this in any way.

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In the summer of 1998, Tom Manton of Queens shocked the city’s insular political world by announcing his retirement from Congress. Manton, then 65, had petitioned to get on the ballot and showed all signs of wanting to run for another term. Aging politicians in his shoes usually said publicly, much earlier in the primary process, that they weren’t running again and endorsed a favored successor. Even in machine-driven New York, this was how the game was played.

But Manton, the chairman of the Queens County Democratic Party, was a county leader par excellence. He wasn’t about to allow something like democracy to break out in his borough. By waiting so late to make his announcement, Manton ensured only one elected official could compete in the Democratic primary to replace him. Since petitions had already been circulated, a candidate needed to be picked by a committee within the Queens Democratic Party that, of course, Manton exercised absolute control over. The committee met secretly, not allowing other elected officials to submit their names for consideration.

By eleven o’clock on the morning of July 22, 36-year-old Joe Crowley, the newly minted Democratic nominee, was on his way to Congress. Politicians in Queens were aghast.

“Had I known about the meeting, I would have put my name in,” a Queens city councilman named Walter McCaffrey complained to the New York Times. “Having been one of the people who helped elect Tom, and having been his chief of staff, it is a disappointment.”

Manton didn’t care. Crowley, then an assemblyman, was his protégé, and he would eventually hand over the Queens Democratic machine to a man he treated like a son.

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Under state election rules, Mr. Manton's replacement on the Democratic line had to be selected by a committee within the Queens County Democratic Party. At Mr. Manton's urging, that committee selected Mr. Crowley at 11 o'clock this morning -- minutes before other potential candidates were even notified of Mr. Manton's announcement.

Ytlaya posted:

The most reasonable way to deal with it would be to have him on the ballot for some random office he has no chance of winning, and doing that isn't "fraud."

This sort of thing actually matters more in this situation than it might in others, because Crowley was the incumbent and it isn't impossible that people would go to the polls and just assume he's the Democratic candidate because they're familiar with his name and voted for him previously. While it's unlikely to make a difference in this case, it could absolutely make a difference if the race were closer in the general election, so this sort of thing needs to be condemned.