Barry Convex posted:

while there are certainly a lot of racist working-class whites and I don't think centering WCW as a whole too much is a great strategy for the left, there are a hell of a lot of liberals who just use anti-racism and general wokeness as a pretext for rank classism

Office Pig posted:

Lightning Knight posted:

This is not untrue but I was thinking more in terms of domestic abuse among families rather than outside authority figures abusing children.

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

white liberals in many instances are just as bad, they can maintain a pretense of not discriminating by exploiting market mechanisms to keep minorities at bay. hence the old real estate joke about how "our prices discriminate so you don't have to"

Barry Convex posted:

while there are certainly a lot of racist working-class whites and I don't think centering WCW as a whole too much is a great strategy for the left...

Sneakster posted:

If you think about, being a single mother is a form of child abuse

Cease to Hope posted:

what the gently caress is wrong with you

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Try reading the post

Cease to Hope posted:

what the gently caress is wrong with you

Cease to Hope posted:

it's a real bad post in a series of real bad posts

Cease to Hope posted:

as long as everyone present realizes "economic anxiety" is a euphemism for blatant racism that is being downplayed

Cease to Hope posted:

ellison's in trouble and it seems like he deserves it

Cease to Hope posted:

the chapo crowd is absolutely loving obsessed with her.

Lightning Knight posted:

edit: this post contained incorrect information, bottom line trump's dick is weird lmao

Radish posted:

The latest messaging of "should something you do in high school ruin your life???" is the American upper class pulling back the veil a bit too far. "Something he did" was attempted rape which is punishable by jail time and "ruining his life" is not getting debatably the most powerful position in the US government and merely being stuck in a lower high ranking court. Meanwhile kids are funneled from grade and middle school into the prison system for life because of stuff they might not even have done.

I guess they feel so smug in their position they can just gloat about our two justice systems instead of just wringing their hands on how actually it's totally fair it just looks off because you dont understand the technical details.

The Kingfish posted:

The idea that women are treated better by proles than the bourgeoise is pretty specious, unfortunately.

Barry Convex posted:

while there are certainly a lot of racist working-class whites and I don't think centering WCW as a whole too much is a great strategy for the left

Sneakster posted:

That you somehow missed my preceding, and even back to back posts shilling for big poverty and my arguing against the demonization of the poor by pointing out that much of the poor are single mothers who's social structure is a liberal utopia in someways, you somehow manage to miss blatant sarcasm. Its not even like I was using irony or sarcastically referencing a post that you could have missed. The only explanation is that you're illiterate, but that would be a paradox.

Hmm.



Oh. Oh my.

I'm just going to let my imagination fill in the blanks. I bet it involves a mirkin that's the same model as his hair,

Its hard to get too upset, because one, nobody on the left gets this upset about Bill Clinton being a rapist and made it a punch line of sketch comedy through the 90s despite him being almost certainly a serial sexual predator and probably a pedophile considering his Lolita Express adventures. The truth is, short of fruity weirdos like Bernie writing his albeit immature and graphic essays decrying the dehumanizing aspect of gender roles that reinforce exploitative and abusive behavior, almost EVERY male politician at the federal level was loving passed out girls after keggers in the date rape frats, and poo poo like this is practically a rite of passage for young men from these kinds of families. There's an ugly subtext to a lot of congressmen kind of shrugging their shoulders and probably thinking it was par for the course at that age in that crowd.

Don't mince my words, Kavanaugh is loving swine, and Diaper Don with his just adorable drawings is human sewage who should be sent through a reclamation plant.

The two tier thing isn't even a metaphor, if you have id from a bourgeois institution, the cops will play softly with you and have literally explicitly said so. I even had an orientation where it was stated that its a safe space to commit some crimes without risk. The cops bust up corners in Bawlmer regularly, yet Chevy Chase, MD is one of the biggest drug marts in the country, but cops don't touch that... for some reason. Totally not racist.

Wanna double back on this without the sarcasm: dude, women's shelters are almost entirely run by lower class women. Perhaps I didn't make my point very well. The disintegration of nuclear family in a culture that strongly pushes towards housing only a single generation + kids is kind of a big part of poverty. I'm not arguing the prole men are enlightened, I'm saying

1: This sort of "boys will be boys" occasional rape is endemic to bourgeois family structure, because "Dad is the absolute authority" is drilled into boys and girls, and these kinds of people are encouraged to take what they want, and that their parents have their back if they do some low down dirty poo poo. The subordination of women is the foundation of this kind of social structure. "The guy is in charge" is part of world view that governs most of these interactions. Its not exactly a shock that girls taught to defer to male authority paired with guys taught that they can get away with anything produces a culture with violent and predatory sexual norms.

2: Single mothers very often socialize with other single mothers. There are entire communities with almost no dominant adult male presence. gently caress, even Marx talks about this. I didn't come up with this as an ideological position, but noticed he was describing the same environment I lived in. The whole thing about communists supporting destroying the family is in reference to Marx pointing this out. Its part of the fash being big on punishing women and complaining about "daddy government" superseding the bourgeois patriarchal role of the father as the power that the woman is dependent on. The idea of women living without male authority, or even using their tax dollars to eke out a meager existence for them and their children fundamentally disgusts them and is perceived as an attack on their rightful power. Thankfully the Democrats got redpilled enough to cut TANF and instituted workfare requirements to stick it to sluts with children thinking they could get out of 16 hour minimum wage jobs for being disobedient.


Its kind of weird how the liberal word salad gets tossed by the bourgeois consistently supporting horrible policies and politicians with their money and votes and demonize the poor of having done it to themselves while jacking themselves off about the tough moral stances. Its like no matter what bullshit they say, fundamentally, for albeit complicated structural reasons, they'll inevitable support and even try to justify brutalizing the desperate and vulnerable, because ultimately, its in their interests, even if they pretend to feel bad about it.


...gotta bring this up one more time.

Like I said, at the policy level, what the gently caress does centering the wrong kind of poor people mean? Who the gently caress talks with this kind of schizophrenic language? I can't imagine a black single mother saying that or reading that and thinking "oh, good". Its loving gibberish that someone could only come up with if they had only an abstract political view of poverty rather any conception of a material reality.

THIS is the problem. You people are the problem. That you think in ways that language like this means anything to you is proof that you'll always view these issues as abstract moral causes and not urgent issues.

Racism is a moral ill that must be stamped out, the white supremacist power structure must be dismantled, except for my neighborhood.

Unfortunately we can't afford to raise the minimum wage, and the feminist anti-racist progressive liberal fiscal conservative middle class needs a tax cut and some property subsidies, so we're going to need to cut food stamps and WIC.

BUT, we know we needed something for the base, so, the CEO of Starbucks said that starting soon, their terrible coffee will no longer be racist. We all have to make compromises.

Its almost like all these words are meaningless propaganda to frame your your class as the heroic nobility so that when you very progressively draw up what kind of poor people are good and bad so that you can ignore material reality, you don't have to accept that maybe you're the bad guy in this, that its impossible to live how you want without validating a system that you know on some level is fundamentally criminal in any moral sense. I'm sure its not a pleasant thought, but even if you're one of the good ones, you're still inextricable from the class identity and worldview that means you inevitably, you are what needs to be overcome for a better society.


Its consistent. Always.

The poor vote for Bernie, you people voted for Trump, but we all know who gets the blame.

Clinton is a southern democrat and Nixonite with a history of attacking minorities in policy and language. Bernie was a civil rights activist backing Jackson's great platform in 88'. Clinton's got credibility, Bernie's got a race problem.

Clinton mocked the single mothers who's families she supported destroying welfare for, is open to negotiation on abortion rights; Bernie has the most female support and would never have imagined cutting TANF, Gloria Steinem says some hosed up poo poo. Bernie Bros are chauvinists and he's got a blind spot with women.

Bernie has been pro gay rights since the loving 70s, and Clinton was against gay people being allowed to even adopt in the loving mid 2000s. Bernie's got a blind spot.

Somehow, its like these kinds of arguments only comes up to defend the worst capitalist excesses. Its almost like this is the innate language of self-indulgent bourgeois counter-revolutionary trash.

You could probably take any racist gasoline chugging hobo off the street, give them Pelosi's job, and you'd almost certainly get better results.

I can't wait to see the unholy depths idpol trash will sink to to pretend to have some thing to attack Cortez over.

...Oh My God, I just figured it out. When Cortez on the national level gets flanked on the right by a Democrat, there's going to be a campaign making the same accusations as always, and its going to involve a swarm of pasty crackers calling out her light-skinned privilege. I'm calling it now.

Potato Salad posted:

Did you see that Trump's penis looks like a mushroom?

Sneakster posted:

Wanna double back on this without the sarcasm: dude, women's shelters are almost entirely run by lower class women. Perhaps I didn't make my point very well. The disintegration of nuclear family in a culture that strongly pushes towards housing only a single generation + kids is kind of a big part of poverty. I'm not arguing the prole men are enlightened, I'm saying

1: This sort of "boys will be boys" occasional rape is endemic to bourgeois family structure, because "Dad is the absolute authority" is drilled into boys and girls, and these kinds of people are encouraged to take what they want, and that their parents have their back if they do some low down dirty poo poo. The subordination of women is the foundation of this kind of social structure. "The guy is in charge" is part of world view that governs most of these interactions. Its not exactly a shock that girls taught to defer to male authority paired with guys taught that they can get away with anything produces a culture with violent and predatory sexual norms.

2: Single mothers very often socialize with other single mothers. There are entire communities with almost no dominant adult male presence. gently caress, even Marx talks about this. I didn't come up with this as an ideological position, but noticed he was describing the same environment I lived in. The whole thing about communists supporting destroying the family is in reference to Marx pointing this out. Its part of the fash being big on punishing women and complaining about "daddy government" superseding the bourgeois patriarchal role of the father as the power that the woman is dependent on. The idea of women living without male authority, or even using their tax dollars to eke out a meager existence for them and their children fundamentally disgusts them and is perceived as an attack on their rightful power. Thankfully the Democrats got redpilled enough to cut TANF and instituted workfare requirements to stick it to sluts with children thinking they could get out of 16 hour minimum wage jobs for being disobedient.


Its kind of weird how the liberal word salad gets tossed by the bourgeois consistently supporting horrible policies and politicians with their money and votes and demonize the poor of having done it to themselves while jacking themselves off about the tough moral stances. Its like no matter what bullshit they say, fundamentally, for albeit complicated structural reasons, they'll inevitable support and even try to justify brutalizing the desperate and vulnerable, because ultimately, its in their interests, even if they pretend to feel bad about it.

The Kingfish posted:

I agree with the bolded statement entirely. But I am skeptical of the idea that "Dad is the absolute authority' is drilled into into boys and girls" in the modern bourgeois family. I could make a colorable argument that the opposite is true. Married women typically make more decisions in family life, for example. In terms of popular culture, I can't think of a single example of a "Dad as absolute authority"-style nuclear family being portrayed in a positive light in the past three decades. I don't consume a lot of media, but I could name dozens of examples that either undermine the concept of father-as-ultimate-authority or provide a positive example of the nuclear family as a partnership.

The Kingfish posted:

What is the broader point you are trying to make? You say the "you didn't invent this as an ideological position," but I'm not sure what "this" refers to.

The Kingfish posted:

If you are suggesting that single mothers or their children experience less domestic abuse then I think you need to support it with evidence, because I was quickly able to sources suggesting the opposite. Children in single parent families are more likely to witness domestic violence. and child abuse is more likely in single-parent homes.

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

LMAO "I'm right wing as hell and it's disappointing that Trump is supporting management rather than the worker"

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

LMAO "I'm right wing as hell and it's disappointing that Trump is supporting management rather than the worker"

you idiot that's literally your own ideology, imagine saying you're "right wing as hell" and not knowing what you actually stood for. That dipshit is voting for a boot to his own face.

Potato Salad posted:

How long has it been since we've had a significant, ongoing issue with US POWs, Vietnam? When was the last time we weren't the torturers holding people indefinitely, the nineties?

Electric Bugaloo posted:

This is what happens when idiot white dudes get wrapped up in identity politics and bigotry/misogyny and conflate that with “looking out for my interests”. Same thing with “the crazy left always gets wrapped up in identity politics while I’m only looking out for me and my family.” Same thing that’s happened since forever ago when the parties were totally different.

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

People are still going to assume voting to gently caress nonwhites is going to lift their boat.

Potato Salad posted:

"You don't support our troops?!!?!" screams I, conservative dipshit, voting for sending soldiers to bullet and explosion death place

"You need to support POWs" sternly scolds the man ideologically aligned with the fostering of scenarios resulting in the capture/execution of americans

Electric Bugaloo posted:

I loving hate that those people ruined the Jeep Wrangler.

Wranglers used to be the happytime funtime vehicle for outdoorsy cool cats of all stripes that got cross-shopped with boats and RVs instead of other cars. Beach bum? Cool college professor? Rock climber? Sorority girl? Marine biologist? Turn-of-the-Millenium homosexual? New Hampshirite? Jurassic Park fan? Here’s your Wrangler. Take the roof off, remove the doors, stick your surfboard on top, stick your boyfriend in the passenger seat, and drive it in flip flops. Put on your sunglasses. Do the Jeep Wave when you see another one. Don’t roll it over on the highway.

Nowadays literally any new Wrangler I see is like desert tactical brown or blacked out, jacked up with $10k of aftermarket bullshit, 5 foot-high dealer installed lift kit, and festooned with the worst kind of anabolic jingoistic Punisher thin blue line crap. They turned the humble Wrangler into what they all wanted the Hummer to be 12 years ago.

Makes me sad man.

Potato Salad posted:

This post. I miss my old little cheap used jeep. In addition to being bad with fuel economy, it's just... not something that a lefty girl drives in Georgia. There's too much Are Guns And Freedom stigma imo