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Shageletic posted:Alhazard Know what? gently caress it. If Cuomo sets up a new IDC, Salazar is joining it. 
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Know what? gently caress it.  whatever to get you a new AV I guess.
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uh sorry the bad takes thread is that way *points to green turtle sandbox filled with turds with label that says "zionism"*
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Sep 18, 2018 03:43
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At least I'll never be a Catholic-raised American trust fund scion of Bogotan upper class society masquerading as poor immigrant Jewish-raised socialist, or worse, someone who continues to back and defend her.
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Sep 18, 2018 03:56
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Sep 18, 2018 04:00
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GalacticAcid posted:You are really invested in this People keep bringing her up, I'm going to keep bringing up the fact that she's a fraud. People keep making post-fact arguments about it, I'm going to respond. 
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Sep 18, 2018 04:03
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If she votes for progressive legislation, who gives a poo poo? Politics is about getting your policies enacted not choosing a new best friend. I'm a new NY resident and this was my first election here. Does the state not release precinct voting data? My county only lists county-wide vote totals.
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Nothus posted:If she votes for progressive legislation, who gives a poo poo? Politics is about getting your policies enacted not choosing a new best friend. It takes a while to come out, for reasons, stupid reasons AFAIK
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pissing and making GBS threads all over Absurd Alhazred posted:At least I'll never be a Catholic-raised American trust fund scion of Bogotan upper class society masquerading as poor immigrant Jewish-raised socialist, or worse, someone who continues to back and defend her. pissing and making GBS threads yourself like a little baby clutching his first calipers begging for attention says a lot more about you than the evil fake Jew succubus that lives rent free in your worm ridden waste of a brain
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Sep 18, 2018 04:55
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still better than an absentee legislator voting for absentee landlords
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i'm not thrilled with the fact that Julia, at the very least, lied about her class and immigrant background. it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. nonetheless, she's far better than the landlord lackey she beat, and i do believe that she's going to be a drat good state senator
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Absurd Alhazred posted:At least I'll never be a Catholic-raised American trust fund scion of Bogotan upper class society masquerading as poor immigrant Jewish-raised socialist, or worse, someone who continues to back and defend her. I guess you would rather elect a republican masquerading as a democrat like cuomo and his band of corner office grabbing IDC clowns.
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Julia Salazar is cool and good until her record in government proves she is not, and at that point she will be replaced. There are no heros, no one is special. Everyone is corruptible by power, just elect people that want to do good and when they fail kick their asses out. It's not individuals but strong mass movements that change the world. e: important to this post is the fact that Salazar is like a thousand times better than the piece of poo poo she replaced. If she fails, well, okay, next up. If not, hell yeah, Julia Salazar is my cool socialist friend.
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etalian posted:I guess you would rather elect a republican masquerading as a democrat like cuomo and his band of corner office grabbing IDC clowns. I donated to AOC before she won, and to Nixon and Teachout, and voted for Nixon/Williams/Teachout in the primaries. You're presenting a false dichotomy, it's possible to have progressives, even radicals, who aren't pathological liars. Sometimes they even win! PS The IDC clowns sold themselves as progressives, which is why I'm willing to bet whatever it'll take me to rereg and get all my forums benefits back that if Cuomo sets one up again, she joins it. Edit: https://twitter.com/CBS6Albany/status/1042216704208584704 "U.S. District Judge Valerie Caproni says in a written opinion Monday that the substance of Sheldon Silver's appeal lacks merit." 
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get that OUT of my face posted:i'm not thrilled with the fact that Julia, at the very least, lied about her class and immigrant background. it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. nonetheless, she's far better than the landlord lackey she beat, and i do believe that she's going to be a drat good state senator tbh I know it’s been less than a week since the election but I’d still have hoped to see more reflection from DSA members and DSA-adjacent leftists about her mendacity. I’m glad she won and I even canvassed for her on Election Day despite my qualms, but it doesn’t do us any good to dismiss any unfavorable reporting on politicians we support as smears that said, absolutely nothing she’s done leads me to think that her post-college leftist activism has been anything but genuine Barry Convex has issued a correction as of 02:45 on Sep 19, 2018 |
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Barry Convex posted:tbh I know it’s been less than a week since the election but I’d still have hoped to see more reflection from DSA members and DSA-adjacent leftists about her mendacity. I’m glad she won and I even canvassed for her on Election Day despite my qualms, but it doesn’t do us any good to dismiss any unfavorable reporting on politicians we support as smears This is basically where I am.
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grah posted:Julia Salazar is cool and good until her record in government proves she is not, and at that point she will be replaced. There are no heros, no one is special. Everyone is corruptible by power, just elect people that want to do good and when they fail kick their asses out. It's not individuals but strong mass movements that change the world. it’s exactly right. don’t wait to have the perfect challenger to strike at an incumbent, because every failed challenge causes them to entrench their power. it’s much easier to vote out a one term political neophyte than a seven-term operator with access to cronies and media power. we’re fortunate dilan was caught with his pants down and only carried water for real estate because a year or more of advance warning from a perceived-as-credible challenger and he’d have tossed out a bunch of populist breadcrumbs
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Barry Convex posted:tbh I know it’s been less than a week since the election but I’d still have hoped to see more reflection from DSA members and DSA-adjacent leftists about her mendacity. I’m glad she won and I even canvassed for her on Election Day despite my qualms, but it doesn’t do us any good to dismiss any unfavorable reporting on politicians we support as smears Barry Convex posted:that said, absolutely nothing she’s done leads me to think that her post-college leftist activism has been anything but genuine
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Absurd Alhazred posted:At least I'll never be a Catholic-raised American trust fund scion of Bogotan upper class society masquerading as poor immigrant Jewish-raised socialist, or worse, someone who continues to back and defend her. drat dude save some salt for the rest of us, it's going to be an icy winter
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Know what? gently caress it. see you in a few months!
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R. Guyovich posted:see you in a few months!  https://twitter.com/ccampy/status/1042255901007261696 I am so surprised. And shocked. And appalled.
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Barry Convex posted:tbh I know it’s been less than a week since the election but I’d still have hoped to see more reflection from DSA members and DSA-adjacent leftists about her mendacity. I’m glad she won and I even canvassed for her on Election Day despite my qualms, but it doesn’t do us any good to dismiss any unfavorable reporting on politicians we support as smears I can tell you that the various electoral politics related groups within NYC DSA have talked a lot internally about this and you can expect people to vet potentially candidates more independently in the future. If you're not hearing a lot about it, it's probably because nobody wants to undermine a victory. People have definitely been reflecting on it.
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Yeah, like what are you supposed to do but try to vet the next person better. Lying about academic credentials still matters for some reason (not saying it shouldn't matter, just it seems like much more important things haven't historically mattered and even the few that did matter have kind of fallen by the wayside).
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Also, rest assured that if her star rises any further she'll get a singular "Pocahontas" style nickname from republicans, if they haven't given her one already.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I donated to AOC before she won, and to Nixon and Teachout, and voted for Nixon/Williams/Teachout in the primaries. You're presenting a false dichotomy, it's possible to have progressives, even radicals, who aren't pathological liars. Sometimes they even win! 
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grah posted:Julia Salazar is cool and good until her record in government proves she is not, and at that point she will be replaced. There are no heros, no one is special. Everyone is corruptible by power, just elect people that want to do good and when they fail kick their asses out. It's not individuals but strong mass movements that change the world. Exactly. Politicians are levers. I don't give a poo poo about anything they've done (unless it's harmed another person) as long they enact the agenda I want. And when they don't, it's time to get a new one. Anyvay, I'm really bummed about the gap btw grassroot candidates and corporatist Dems in state-wide races. I mean Cuomo had a 25X funding advantage over Nixon, and I'm pretty sure Maloney only stepped in (with instant bux to flood the airwaves with his commercials) to kneecap Teachout upstate. 1. Corporatist Dems (funded by Wall St, real estate concerns, etc) have exponentially more money than genuine home grown Dems 2. Money decides elections, especially state and nation-wide. This effect is much more ameliorated in local races. How does a non-corporate genuine leftist agenda and polity survive the shoals of our lovely electoral system?
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Hey does anyone live in the 18th assembly district (covers a chunk of Hempstead)? I'm catching up on less reported primaries and Earlene Hooper lost her dem primary to Taylor Raynor, who I know nothing about. Hooper is the deputy speaker in the assembly and has been around for like 30 years so this seems significant. Anyone got the scoop?
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Shageletic posted:Exactly. I appreciate this sentiment that a lot of people express re: Salazar, but I think it dramatically undersells the advantage of incumbency and the investment required to make that replacement, both on the part of the candidate financially, but also in terms of the attention of the electorate (sure Dilan just got taken down, but how long did that take? How many failed challenges? Just how exceptional is this year and this moment in anti incumbency fever?). It’s great to say “we can just replace them if they turn out to be trash”, but we’ve seen and are still seeing first hand just how hard it is to replace trash.
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CaptainPsyko posted:I appreciate this sentiment that a lot of people express re: Salazar, but I think it dramatically undersells the advantage of incumbency and the investment required to make that replacement, both on the part of the candidate financially, but also in terms of the attention of the electorate (sure Dilan just got taken down, but how long did that take? How many failed challenges? Just how exceptional is this year and this moment in anti incumbency fever?).
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u need to remember that most people don't pay close attention to politics. So they might think that their state gov is trash but not have the time or will to go on deep and figure out of their rep is good or not, or if it's worth their time to go vote when they have other poo poo the do
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i'm doing a little research into State Senate candidates across the state. a lot of the districts that are in play are in Long Island. here are some of the better dem candidates:
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unbutthurtable posted:I can tell you that the various electoral politics related groups within NYC DSA have talked a lot internally about this and you can expect people to vet potentially candidates more independently in the future. If you're not hearing a lot about it, it's probably because nobody wants to undermine a victory. People have definitely been reflecting on it. that’s really good to hear. I’ve been going mainly off the NYC DSA FB group and my Twitter feed, along with articles in various lefty publications (there was a pretty crappy one that just dropped in the Baffler)
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get that OUT of my face posted:it worked a lot better on the local level this year than it did statewide, so there's reason to hope It worked after how many cycles of bottled up frustration as people tried and failed to oust these shutters? You’ll forgive me if I’m not interested in long term forecasts based on assuming a permanent state of revolutionary zeal.
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lmao Claudia Tenney's campaign has apparently circulated an "internal memo" tying her opponent (Anthony Brindisi) to organized crime. If it isn't obvious she is a republican and he is a democrat, they're running for congress in NY-22. Brindisi's dad was an attorney who represented some mob guys in the 70s or something. The memo warned staffers "to be alert to strangers following them or tampering with their locks." Lol
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lmao part 2: percoco got 6 years
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Glambags posted:lmao part 2: percoco got 6 years And yet nothing sticks to Andy. Fucker.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:And yet nothing sticks to Andy. Fucker. Dont yuck my yum
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NYS Dems are a waste: https://twitter.com/CityAndStateNY/status/1042918858271739904 I wonder if there's even the slightest chance I might put pressure on the Albany County committee anytime soon.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:NYS Dems are a waste: lol quote:At Tuesday’s rally, Cuomo talked about winning races in November, but he also gloated about his primary victory over Cynthia Nixon. Some observers saw the same old Cuomo.
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