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LITERALLY A BIRD
Sep 27, 2008

I knew you were trouble
when you flew in

Phone posting so not quoting!

Re: Reynard: YES YES YES. Reynard is actually the whole reason that although I originally devoured the show as it came out I then had to... stop and try again from scratch a year later, lol :( (e: poo poo, it's been more like two years hasn't it.) On my first watch I didn't make it too long past that whole, you know.

Re: Dishonored: PLAY THAT poo poo! I am a person who typically never cares about game lore/worldbuilding but Dishonored is incredible and I read every scrap of in game lore I came across because they tell you just enough to make everything so, so tantalizing. Also don't play DH2 unless you've finished the original and its DLC. It's so worth playing it in order.

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Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.
Oh jeeze Paul Bettany is in Solo? Somehow I totally avoided knowing about that.

I really can't get into this story with all the famous actors.
Chewie, Han, Vision, Daenerys and Woody Harrelson sitting at a bar. Am I watching Ready Player One?

burial
Sep 13, 2002

actually, that won't be necessary.

Zaphod42 posted:

Chewie, Han, Vision, Daenerys and Woody Harrelson sitting at a bar. Am I watching Ready Player One?

I don’t know, are you a little sad?

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

On the famous actors taking you out of a movie stuff:

I get that a little, but in a different way. For example, in the example currently being used, I have seen the film, but have no recognition of either Paul Bettany or Woody Harrelson's character names. Nor do I think I even knew whilst watching. To me they were "baddie guy" and "goodie guy who eventually betrays han"

Now this could just be coz of the stupid nonsense names Star Wars gives it's people, but it also happens to me in a bunch of films. I don't catch or retain character names, so they become "goodie guy", "sidekick", "henchman with cool scar", "love interest", "token minority" etc. And I am never sure how much of that is due to me being an arsehole, or poor writing/characterisation.

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!
I seem to recall a story when House of 1000 Corpses was coming out that one of the reasons it was given such a Hard R/NC-17 status was in part because the cast was made up of mostly unknowns at the time. I think someone said that if it had someone like a Tom Cruise or Kevin Costner in there to remind the audience they were 'actors' and that everyone was 'safe', it probably would have just gotten a simple R rating and been done with it.

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

Elfgames posted:

Almost no teacher really explains why they give and take points so i'm sure the kids are used to it.

I'm pretty sure they do like every time? Like Dumbledore literally gives a speech at the end of the first movie where he explains "for his bravery in the face of whatever, 50 points to griffindor"

King of Foolians
Mar 16, 2006
Long live the King!

JediTalentAgent posted:

I suppose one thing to say about Harry Potter is that I don't think a single 6-12 month window goes by without a 'this changes everything' headline story about a new piece of discovered lore hidden in plain sight in one of the novels as discovered by a Reddit user.

I don't know enough about the Pottersverse to know if maybe some retroactive realizations and revelations are a result of that kind of continued fan scouring of the source material AND perhaps the books themselves being full of random draft plot points that were supposed to eventually be fleshed out but were forgotten and abandoned but accidentally left in. It was better to just keep the prose in than take it out. I can see the latter happening.

The Harry Potter books are pretty well crafted. There are a few plot holes and a few things that make you wonder “why didn’t they just (magic thing) instead?” but for the most part it’s pretty straightforward. The problem is that the wizarding world has enough weird/cool stuff described or hinted at that it’s easy for anyone to come up with their own head cannon to explain things, which is probably what you are seeing posted on reddit. And from my experience 90% of those “Startling New Theory that changes everything you thought you knew about Harry Potter” clickbait articles and listicles are “they were actually dead the whole time!” (See also, fan theories about Disney movies).

Re: House Points - I agree that it must suck for the other students every year when Dumbledore makes up some poo poo so Harry and crew can win. The worst was the first year when he randomly gave Harry, Ron and Hermione just enough points to tie, then gave 10 points to Neville as a final “gently caress you” to Slytherin. The good news is that apparently winning the House Cup doesn’t mean a drat thing except for bragging rights and which color flags are on display on the last day of school.

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Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Mu Zeta posted:

I don't think JK Rowling has ever seen or played a sport before creating quidditch. I don't know, make it worth 150 points or whatever. It's magic.

there's an early interview where she said she did it because she knew it'd really annoy this one rear end in a top hat sports fan she knew

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

I'll amend and say she's also never played any sort of game. Like chess or monopoly.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

LITERALLY A BIRD posted:

Re: Dishonored: PLAY THAT poo poo! I am a person who typically never cares about game lore/worldbuilding but Dishonored is incredible and I read every scrap of in game lore I came across because they tell you just enough to make everything so, so tantalizing. Also don't play DH2 unless you've finished the original and its DLC. It's so worth playing it in order.

Dishonored is very much a Thief style game. Being a sneaksy bastard from the shadows is a woefully under-represented genre.

Shai-Hulud
Jul 10, 2008

But it feels so right!
Lipstick Apathy
I thought the female lead in "Solo" was just boring and bland as gently caress. She was just kinda...there...

Also the Darth Maul cameo at the end was dumb as gently caress.

Pilchenstein
May 17, 2012

So your plan is for half of us to die?

Hot Rope Guy

Zaphod42 posted:

Chewie, Han, Vision, Daenerys and Woody Harrelson sitting at a bar. Am I watching Ready Player One?
There are a lot of things wrong with Solo but I'm not sure the fact that actors generally keep the same face between roles is one of them. :v:

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

I wanted Solo to be more about his smuggling days. I'm assuming weapons, sex slaves, drugs, things like that. Instead in the movie he steals... fuel? That's not very exciting.

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

I like Solo the only bit that bugged me was that "we're actually noble rebels/revolutionaries!" twist at the end. That character would've made for a great recurring antagonist in the (obviously planned-for) sequels and it's mentioned at various points that she had completed with Woody Harrelson's gang before but then nope it turns out she's just some teenage human who's all about galactic justice.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


Shai-Hulud posted:

I thought the female lead in "Solo" was just boring and bland as gently caress. She was just kinda...there...

Also the Darth Maul cameo at the end was dumb as gently caress.

It's apparently a very obvious tie-in to one of the cartoons for children. So the target audience of children were probably like "MOM I KNOW THAT GUY!" and dug it adults were like "wtf is this how is that a thing?" When it had been fully explained and known about for a while

Safeword
Jun 1, 2018

by R. Dieovich
There's a ton of legitimate criticism to be aimed at the Harry Potter stories, but nine times out of ten I'm reminded of this terrible TV tropes page: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Headscratchers/HarryPotterMuggleWeapons

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


Safeword posted:

There's a ton of legitimate criticism to be aimed at the Harry Potter stories, but nine times out of ten I'm reminded of this terrible TV tropes page: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Headscratchers/HarryPotterMuggleWeapons

quote:

An old, cheap, easy-to-acquire (in the right places) AK-47 has a rate of fire of 600 rounds per minute and an effective range of 300 meters.

Does England have the gunshow loophole? I was under the assumption you couldn't just walk into a place without a gun and leave without a gun same day over there

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Len posted:

Does England have the gunshow loophole? I was under the assumption you couldn't just walk into a place without a gun and leave without a gun same day over there

America is the only place you cant do that

LeJackal
Apr 5, 2011
Edit: Harry Potter talk is a trap.

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nexus6
Sep 2, 2011

If only you could see what I've seen with your eyes
In Solo why is the Empire transporting fuel for SPACESHIPS on a TRAIN? I understand that some screenwriter wanted to have a train heist scene but I can't make sense of why a train would even exist.

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

nexus6 posted:

In Solo why is the Empire transporting fuel for SPACESHIPS on a TRAIN? I understand that some screenwriter wanted to have a train heist scene but I can't make sense of why a train would even exist.

It's probably mostly just that they wanted a train heist but it could be justified lots of ways - weight of the fuel, hostile weather conditions to flying (frequent whiteouts for example), economics of running a train vs ship, etc

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

I don't remember starship fuel being a thing at all in the original trilogy, not sure why the new movies are suddenly so invested in it.

10 Beers
May 21, 2005

Shit! I didn't bring a knife.

LITERALLY A BIRD posted:

Re: Reynard: YES YES YES. Reynard is actually the whole reason that although I originally devoured the show as it came out I then had to... stop and try again from scratch a year later, lol :( (e: poo poo, it's been more like two years hasn't it.) On my first watch I didn't make it too long past that whole, you know.

That whole scene made me really uncomfortable. So what do they do? Put it in the goddamned recap at the beginning of every episode after. Come the gently caress on, guys! I don't wanna watch it over and over!

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:

I don't remember starship fuel being a thing at all in the original trilogy, not sure why the new movies are suddenly so invested in it.

You see them plugging/unplugging poo poo from the X-Wings at various points, which is presumably to refuel them. Running out of fuel has never been a plot point, true, but it's only really relevant in a protracted chase which has never been a plot before episode 8 either.

Patattack
Nov 23, 2008

The English Language!

BrigadierSensible posted:

Now this could just be coz of the stupid nonsense names Star Wars gives it's people, but it also happens to me in a bunch of films. I don't catch or retain character names, so they become "goodie guy", "sidekick", "henchman with cool scar", "love interest", "token minority" etc. And I am never sure how much of that is due to me being an arsehole, or poor writing/characterisation.

My worst example of this in recent memory was actually Rogue One. I had no idea who anybody other than Jyn and K2SO was called, mostly because there were a bunch of assorted characters that were never characterized well enough (or referred to by name more than once or twice)

nexus6
Sep 2, 2011

If only you could see what I've seen with your eyes
Let's see ... you had, um, Blind Dude, Blind Dude's Friend, Pilot Guy, Other Pilot Guy, K2SO, Jyn and Mads Mikkelsen.

Oh, and Shouty Bad Guy.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Safeword posted:

There's a ton of legitimate criticism to be aimed at the Harry Potter stories, but nine times out of ten I'm reminded of this terrible TV tropes page: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Headscratchers/HarryPotterMuggleWeapons

This sort of thing strikes me as one of those where you just need to be able to roll with it as part of the premise and if you can't, you might as well not bother.

Compare with most stories involving time travel. You just need to accept it at face value and go along with it, because time travel is impossible and no matter how much sense it tries to make you'll not be satisfied with its explanation. Otherwise you end up demanding that every time travel movie has to be Primer and that just wouldn't be interesting.

If someone's big complaint is that Harry Potter's immediate response to Voldemort isn't just pulling out a gun and shooting him, then maybe they'd prefer Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



No one should prefer a fanfic written by a literal cult leader.

edit:I know they do, but they shouldn't.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

Talking about how effeciently a gun can kill characters in children's entertainment is some edgy teenager stuff.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

One of the secondary characters was an American exchange student right? Should have just had that guy try to shoot him, have it do nothing because he's an immortal satan snakeman, and everyone just stand around awkwardly for a bit embarrassed for him. :v:

e: He's arrested in the epilogue for smuggling a firearm into the country

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Terrible Opinions posted:

No one should prefer a fanfic written by a literal cult leader.

edit:I know they do, but they shouldn't.

There are at least two massively popular (?) Harry Potter fanfics written by literal cult leaders.

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

nexus6 posted:

Let's see ... you had, um, Blind Dude, Blind Dude's Friend, Pilot Guy, Other Pilot Guy, K2SO, Jyn and Mads Mikkelsen.

Oh, and Shouty Bad Guy.

What about Weaselly Bad Guy, i.e. Ben Mendehlson?

Samuringa
Mar 27, 2017

Best advice I was ever given?

"Ticker, you'll be a lot happier once you stop caring about the opinions of a culture that is beneath you."

I learned my worth, learned the places and people that matter.

Opened my eyes.
I just call them by their real name or the name of another character they played

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?
Grimey Drawer

RBA Starblade posted:

One of the secondary characters was an American exchange student right? Should have just had that guy try to shoot him, have it do nothing because he's an immortal satan snakeman, and everyone just stand around awkwardly for a bit embarrassed for him. :v:

e: He's arrested in the epilogue for smuggling a firearm into the country

His patronus could be a gun. :colbert:

rydiafan
Mar 17, 2009


Here. This is for everyone who wanted Harry to just shoot Voldemort.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cZqRzHnI8s

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
^^^ loving love that moment. So badass.


Wheat Loaf posted:

If someone's big complaint is that Harry Potter's immediate response to Voldemort isn't just pulling out a gun and shooting him, then maybe they'd prefer Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.

I'm pretty sure a gun wouldn't kill a wizard.

I know there's a part where Hagrid is talking to Harry about how the Dursleys told him his parents died in a car accident and tells him, "A car accident couldn't kill them."

Also, Neville's grandmother once threw him out of a second floor window to see if he was magical - he bounced.

Even Harry used magic accidentally one time to fly onto the roof of his school to avoid his cousin and his bully boys.

So we can assume wizards are pretty much impervious to non magical deaths because they will instinctively protect themselves.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Wheat Loaf posted:

There are at least two massively popular (?) Harry Potter fanfics written by literal cult leaders.
What's the second one?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Hagrid's response was pretty clearly more great offence that basically two war heroes had their deaths written off as an accident when it was a brutal murder, and every case of reflexive magic referenced involved young wizards who are implicitly channeling their magic subconsciously, not knowing how they do it. We don't see adult wizards pull anything like that off, it might be what happens when magic finds its way out without anything to channel it, and they eventually grow out of it.

The thing is that Harry Potter wizards do have access to all kinds of powerful spells, but there's a school for it for a reason; magic is hard, and it seems implied most wizards mostly only know enough for their everyday lives and their jobs unless they're a dedicated practitioner. The Hogwarts teachers are mentioned to be actually particularly good at it, hence why they teach it (which also means they keep in practice with a wide variety of magic) while most wizards are more on the level of the Weasley parents. It's said somewhere that a muggle with a shotgun could kill an average wizard nine times out of ten, probably because the shotgun is much easier to use.

That and I still found Harry Potter refreshing as a fantasy series where the main protagonists don't become (or start as) unstoppable demigods but barely above average for the setting, and mostly getting by on their nerdy friend and specialising. (Harry specifically practices the disarming spell, which is far easier to use than other combat spells and has a bonus of being equally useful against guns)

I also think we don't see too many cases of wizards dying by accident if only because healing magic is really powerful, although implied to be highly difficult, as Hermione prepares some potions but doesn't dare even try it. Presumably healing magic is about as difficult as learning real world medicine and surgery, and just as potentially catastrophic and deadly when done wrong. (Harry probably got off lucky with Lockhart's attempt)

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Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Terrible Opinions posted:

What's the second one?

There was this fanfic called "Dumbledore's Army in the Year of Darkness" which was about Neville, Ginny, Luna and company back at Hogwarts during the events of Deathly Hallows. People raved about how it was "What book seven should have been" for ages (clue: death, rape, murder, general violence against children etc.) then it subsequently came out that the author was sort of a cult leader; their ex-girlfriend wrote a series of blog posts years ago explaining how she got in and how she got out.

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Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Huh I knew about that particular edgy Harry Potter fanfic. I was unaware that it was also written by a cult leader. Is cult leader to Harry Potter as pedophile is to Star Trek?

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