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Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Moridin920 posted:

TAKE PROFITS SOMETIMES lmao jfc
No! Must HODL, forever. It is OWNING the thing that is worthwhile!

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comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Klyith posted:

Well when one single idiot hedge fund lost $134 million dollars on buttcoins at least he's technically correct that the vast majority of monetary loss is by big players.

And all that money that went in had to end up in someone's hands. Probably a whole lot of burrito miners and guys who acquired a butt in 2014 were beneficiaries of all that loss. I wouldn't be shocked if there were more people who made a few k on their videocard milkcrate farms than there were idiot bubble buyers who lost all their savings.


All of this is a smokescreen covering the fact that buttcoins are useless and the shuffling of money from one idiot bitcoiner to another is a net negative economic activity. As a whole everyone lost.
Just because a lot of big money players lost money in the bitcoin ecosystem doesn't mean that bit players on average or median are up though. All that money could evaporate into the hands of tether, scammers, chinese mining farms, and bitcoin exchanges blowing up without ever much of it making it into the hands of the common retail investor.

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?
I always figured if you make gains you sell off our initial investment and play with house (other idiots') money afterward

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



ilmucche posted:

I always figured if you make gains you sell off our initial investment and play with house (other idiots') money afterward
Yes, it would be hard to blame some honest dope-fiend who found out the four butts he bought to pay for weasel dust are now worth a shitload to want to let a lot of it ride. But presumably you would realize some gains. Didn't the wikipedia guy exhort buttholders to take some profits?

A big flaming stink
Apr 26, 2010
this isn't an investment, this is a religion.

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.

A big flaming stink posted:

this isn't an investment, this is a religion.

It is not a cult.

Also: one of the OG altcoin scammers finally got sent to prison (kind of?)

Gay Weed Dad
Jul 12, 2016

cool dude, flyin' high

My ex interviewed for a job at this place. She ultimately turned it down because she felt uneasy working with crypto when she barely understood it herself. The interviewer told her "If you ever figure out bitcoin please let me know, lol!"

bollig
Apr 7, 2006

Never Forget.
I thought this comment was pretty funny:

quote:

The astonishing amount of time, money and effort that has been put into cryptocurrencies is a sociological marvel. Every emotion, every cognitive bias, every aspect of the human experience is on display. And it's all fully documented, in real time. Mass delusion in Big Data. A thousand sociology PhDs could be written about reddit's /r/cryptocurrency alone. A joyous, despairing, dissonant, gloating, brooding, witty, witless, confusing, euphoric mass.

This article is part of a curious subgenre of cryptocurrency literature, that of an advocate of one cryptocurrency (Ethereum) holding forth against a different cryptocurrency (EOS). Do the words have any meaning beyond the confines of the beautifully elaborate internal world in which they reside? Perhaps, in a strictly metaphysical sense. I can't appreciate it, or even comprehend it, but I can sit back an delight that such a thing exists at all.


from here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18000907

Satchel and Trunk
Nov 4, 2008
I appreciate how the responses to that response are so perfectly up their own rear end to make that one a perfect singularity.

jimmyjams
Jan 10, 2001


King Kong of Megadongs
Gobblin' them mega schlongs
Makin' sure they mega long
Stroke' 'em if they mega strong
shitcoin

Jombo
Feb 20, 2009
6k seems to be both titular to this thread, and the point at which the tether printer is triggered. Keep your eyes peeled boys, the printer is warming up.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
*gets big whiff of that dot matrix smell*

lol but
Feb 24, 2007

body is a dinosaur
Slippery Tilde

Alan Smithee posted:

*gets big whiff of that dot matrix smell*

please don't post your reboot fan fics

Hillary 2024
Nov 13, 2016

by vyelkin
I love the smell of ozone in the morning

Veni Vidi Ameche!
Nov 2, 2017

by Fluffdaddy
My go-to Bitcoin expert is off hiking the west coast. Can someone please explain Tether to me? I know he's explained it, before, but I can't remember how it works or why it matters.

lol but
Feb 24, 2007

body is a dinosaur
Slippery Tilde

Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:

My go-to Bitcoin expert is off hiking the west coast. Can someone please explain Tether to me? I know he's explained it, before, but I can't remember how it works or why it matters.

you print a certificate (?) that corresponds to a dollar and that dollar is somehow also a dollar's worth of bitcoin also the dollars are totally real no need to go worrying about where all the dollars are

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos

Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:

My go-to Bitcoin expert is off hiking the west coast. Can someone please explain Tether to me? I know he's explained it, before, but I can't remember how it works or why it matters.
It's a gift card for penny stocks

wid
Sep 7, 2005
Living in paradise (only bombed once)

Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:

My go-to Bitcoin expert is off hiking the west coast. Can someone please explain Tether to me? I know he's explained it, before, but I can't remember how it works or why it matters.

In order to hike up the price of crypto coins, you need dollars to buy them. This is problematic if you have limited dollars. So what if there's a type of coin that can made and the makers just say that they're worth 1 dollar each? Then you have unlimited dollars to buy other coins with! It's monopoly money to buy other monopoly money, like trading newspaper clipping for paint chips. So it's not technically illegal (???).

Veni Vidi Ameche!
Nov 2, 2017

by Fluffdaddy
Lol, wait. Are you saying there's another coin that's just pegged to the dollar, and you can mine it (presumably more easily than Bitcoins), and then trade it on exchanges for Bitcoin? Am I completely misunderstanding that? If not, why in the world would the exchanges allow that? Are people actually paying $1 for a coin that is pegged to $1, and won't go up?

100 HOGS AGREE
Oct 13, 2007
Grimey Drawer
you can't mine tether and you can't actually trade it back in for dollars tho lol

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
.

sincx fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Mar 23, 2021

Telarra
Oct 9, 2012

Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:

Lol, wait. Are you saying there's another coin that's just pegged to the dollar, and you can mine it (presumably more easily than Bitcoins), and then trade it on exchanges for Bitcoin? Am I completely misunderstanding that? If not, why in the world would the exchanges allow that? Are people actually paying $1 for a coin that is pegged to $1, and won't go up?

A major exchange was insolvent, so they printed millions of IOUs they call "Tether" to pay off their debts with instead. It worked so well that they regularly print millions more that they use to buy more Bitcoin and pump up the price.

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:

Lol, wait. Are you saying there's another coin that's just pegged to the dollar, and you can mine it (presumably more easily than Bitcoins), and then trade it on exchanges for Bitcoin? Am I completely misunderstanding that? If not, why in the world would the exchanges allow that? Are people actually paying $1 for a coin that is pegged to $1, and won't go up?
Tether is two things.

First, to the exchange Bitfinex it's free money. They pinky-swear there's a dollar in a bank somewhere for every Tether they've ever sold. There almost certainly is not and everyone knows it. They will under no circumstances give you USD in exchange for your Tethers.

Second, to traders/consumers it's a "stablecoin" they can cash out to from other riskier shitcoins and vice versa. Going from BTC -> USD involves significant fees and paperwork, but going BTC -> something that is always worth exactly a dollar involves minimal fees and less paperwork, so obviously you should just trade Tethers.

Everyone trading Tether knows the emperor has no clothes, but as long as everyone pretends the emperor does everyone can go on trading Tethers for other altcoins and back and forth forever.

Sophy Wackles
Dec 17, 2000

> access main security grid
access: PERMISSION DENIED.





uh oh, looks like a long dormant mt gox wallet is dumping $720M+ of coins, going to trouble to obscure the source of transactions. They could dump all this poo poo at once from all the new wallets.

https://www.ccn.com/dormant-720-million-bitcoin-wallet-owner/

quote:

This Dormant $720 Million Bitcoin Wallet Has Woken Up – But Who Owns It?

A $720 million sleeping giant has woken up after four years, with $100 million moved to Bitfinex and Binance over the course of ten days at the end of August. The bitcoin wallet contains 111,114 BTC or 0.52% of the total supply. The sudden movement of these dormant funds could have a disruptive potential in the market price action, particularly if the funds belong to one of the two possible likely candidates suggested by Reddit sleuth u/sick_silk.

The Redditor brought the movement of the funds to the attention of the crypto community by publishing a series of posts tracking each transaction in detail accompanied with graphs representing the activity.

The first post was made on 31 August and suggested that the funds may be connected to the now-defunct dark web market Silk Road which handled the trade of billions of dollars worth of contraband such as recreational and prescription drugs, illegal weapons and pornography, malware, hacking services, guides to various types of criminal activity, and other black market goods and services.

u/Sick_Silk points out:

“It seems that the owner of a huge SilkRoad related wallet is moving funds actively since 3 days, dividing it in chunks of 100 coins by subwallets.

The original wallet owned 111,114.62 BTC / BCH , which is currently valuated ~ $844M (without taking in account other #Bitcoin forks).

Last movements on these subwallets are 4 years and 5 months old (March 9th, 2014).

The chunks have been divided over time to 60,000 coins then to 30,000 / 20,000 / 10,000 / 5,000 / 500 and now 100 coins.”

Sick_Silk connected the original address to the Silk Road via the following bitcointalk thread in which user assortmentofsorts connects the dots to from an address operated by DPR (Dread Pirate Roberts AKA Ross Ulbricht, creator of the Silk Road) to the one in the Reddit post over the course of six traced transactions.

Silk Road vs Mt Gox
However, while the evidence connecting the funds to DPR is intriguing, u/Sick_Silk had his doubts and after another week of investigating posited the theory that the funds may well be from an old Mt Gox wallet, a view mirrored by Bitcoin security specialists WizSec.

Why is this important?
Apart from being an intriguing mystery, this has real-world ramifications. u/Sick_Silk believes that the movement of funds may be at least partially responsible for the recent price decline seen in August, and whether that’s true or not, it’s certainly the case that 0.52% of the entire supply of Bitcoin is more than enough to seriously manipulate or destabilize the market. Indeed, the funds are already worth around $80 million less since the report went public.

u/Sick_Silk has yet to respond to comment requests at the time of writing, but we eagerly await the next update from our Reddit sleuth as well as other experts among the community who can tell us more about the recent resurrection of one of the largest individually-owned sums of Bitcoin in the world.

Sophy Wackles fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Sep 18, 2018

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo
It’s the us government. Moving seized funds.

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

Bjørnhval!

Veni Vidi Ameche!
Nov 2, 2017

by Fluffdaddy
Tether is amazing.

I did a quick skim of the Wikipedia Tether article to supplement what you’ve just told me. Let’s see if I’ve got this.

- Tether is issued with the promise that each one is backed by one US dollar. No one believes this.
- Bitcoiners being Bitcoiners, they buy (or cash out to) Tether, anyway.
- The amount of Tether in the wild grew from $10,000,000 to $2,800,000,000 (lol) in a year and a half (lol), each one still backed by one US dollar (lol)
- Tether accounted for 80% (lol) of Bitcoin trades in the summer of 2018.
- The Tether scam issuing company promised an audit to prove they had the capital to back their funny money, but failed to follow through, and failed to satisfy withdrawal requests in 2017.
- Because Tether is somehow even less negotiable than Bitcoin, people just use it as a value store to cash in and out of Bitcoin. A person with 6,000 Tether buys one Bitcoin, waits for the price to go up to $7,000, then cashes that back out to Tether. When Bitcoin drops to $6,000, again, that person buys another Bitcoin, cashes out when Bitcoin hits $7,000, again, and now has 8,000 Tether, no Bitcoins, and no actual dollars.

How’d I do?

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:

My go-to Bitcoin expert is off hiking the west coast. Can someone please explain Tether to me? I know he's explained it, before, but I can't remember how it works or why it matters.

Have you ever heard a Bitcoiner rant about what they think (((The Federal Reserve))) is doing.

That's basically what Tether is actually doing.

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:

- The amount of Tether in the wild grew from $10,000,000 to $2,800,000,000 (lol) in a year and a half (lol), each one still backed by one US dollar (lol)

most of them were printed around the end of the year, going from a couple million to billions in like 2 months. they started small, only adding a few thousand but by the peak they were printing millions at a time

coincidentally this is also when bitcoin jumped up to 19.8k

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:

Tether is amazing.

I did a quick skim of the Wikipedia Tether article to supplement what you’ve just told me. Let’s see if I’ve got this.

- Tether is issued with the promise that each one is backed by one US dollar. No one believes this.
- Bitcoiners being Bitcoiners, they buy (or cash out to) Tether, anyway.
- The amount of Tether in the wild grew from $10,000,000 to $2,800,000,000 (lol) in a year and a half (lol), each one still backed by one US dollar (lol)
- Tether accounted for 80% (lol) of Bitcoin trades in the summer of 2018.
- The Tether scam issuing company promised an audit to prove they had the capital to back their funny money, but failed to follow through, and failed to satisfy withdrawal requests in 2017.
- Because Tether is somehow even less negotiable than Bitcoin, people just use it as a value store to cash in and out of Bitcoin. A person with 6,000 Tether buys one Bitcoin, waits for the price to go up to $7,000, then cashes that back out to Tether. When Bitcoin drops to $6,000, again, that person buys another Bitcoin, cashes out when Bitcoin hits $7,000, again, and now has 8,000 Tether, no Bitcoins, and no actual dollars.

How’d I do?

Even better is that they not only failed to follow through on an audit, they actually kept hiring auditors so that they could post a document on reddit showing everyone that they're totally getting audited, but then they'd always fire the auditor at the last second.

And eventually they hired an auditor who basically published a letter that was like "All that we can confirm is that they have a bank account"

There have also been a number of studies showing that Tether is produced in response to market conditions and has propped up some insane amount of Bitcoin's price

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

QuarkJets posted:

There have also been a number of studies showing that Tether is produced in response to market conditions and has propped up some insane amount of Bitcoin's price



its just a coincidence

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:

Tether is amazing.

I did a quick skim of the Wikipedia Tether article to supplement what you’ve just told me. Let’s see if I’ve got this.

- Tether is issued with the promise that each one is backed by one US dollar. No one believes this.
- Bitcoiners being Bitcoiners, they buy (or cash out to) Tether, anyway.
- The amount of Tether in the wild grew from $10,000,000 to $2,800,000,000 (lol) in a year and a half (lol), each one still backed by one US dollar (lol)
- Tether accounted for 80% (lol) of Bitcoin trades in the summer of 2018.
- The Tether scam issuing company promised an audit to prove they had the capital to back their funny money, but failed to follow through, and failed to satisfy withdrawal requests in 2017.
- Because Tether is somehow even less negotiable than Bitcoin, people just use it as a value store to cash in and out of Bitcoin. A person with 6,000 Tether buys one Bitcoin, waits for the price to go up to $7,000, then cashes that back out to Tether. When Bitcoin drops to $6,000, again, that person buys another Bitcoin, cashes out when Bitcoin hits $7,000, again, and now has 8,000 Tether, no Bitcoins, and no actual dollars.

How’d I do?

You missed the part where its controlled by a major exchange and they always print a bunch more to boost the price of bitcoin whenever it starts dipping down

jimmyjams
Jan 10, 2001


King Kong of Megadongs
Gobblin' them mega schlongs
Makin' sure they mega long
Stroke' 'em if they mega strong

Boxturret posted:



its just a coincidence

lol was tether really behind the great shitcoin bubble of 2017

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
On a scale of 1 to mycrimes.txt, how stupid are these guys for not fleeing the country already? They've probably made a few million, could live on the beach somewhere nice under an assumed name.

Akratic Method
Mar 9, 2013

It's going to pay off eventually--I'm sure of it.

Any day now.

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

On a scale of 1 to mycrimes.txt, how stupid are these guys for not fleeing the country already?

We are presently hovering at mycrimes.zip. It's clear on the face of it what's in there, but no one's actually double-clicked "open" to actually read the contents.

let it mellow
Jun 1, 2000

Dinosaur Gum
I am pissed off I didn’t think of tether, that is the best bitcoin money maker

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005

let it mellow posted:

I am pissed off I didn’t think of tether, that is the best bitcoin money maker
you did you just dont remember because you dismissed it as retarded faster than you make memories

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

On a scale of 1 to mycrimes.txt, how stupid are these guys for not fleeing the country already? They've probably made a few million, could live on the beach somewhere nice under an assumed name.

They were never in the country to begin with. Bitfinex (the people who print Tether) are a Hong Kong company registered in the virgin islands.


Everyone putting money into crypto has been throwing their money into international transfers to shady countries for years now. The first exchange owned and operated within the US only opened last year (and then promptly send everyone's earnings records to the IRS, which was quite a shock to many buttcoiners).

PathAsc
Nov 15, 2011

Hail SS-18 Satan may he cleanse us with nuclear fire

PISS TAPE IS REAL

Akratic Method posted:

We are presently hovering at mycrimes.zip. It's clear on the face of it what's in there, but no one's actually double-clicked "open" to actually read the contents.

Lol, thank you for this

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bollig
Apr 7, 2006

Never Forget.

haha yes

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