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Nice and hot piss
Feb 1, 2004

my entire TA-50 gear was stolen when I deployed to Iraq. They had moved all of our poo poo out of these lovely high school gym type lockers into actual gear lockers during my time. All of my poo poo was stolen as they literally CUT EVERYONE'S locker who was deployed and hoped that they had labeled their poo poo. I think I was one of maybe 40 guys who had their poo poo stolen or just turned back in.

They FLIPL'd all of my poo poo but only after I literally hounded them for the 4 years I had left on my contract, until the day came when I went to CIF for the kansas guard that they covered it.

However, I was missing one canteen and a canteen pouch or some poo poo. They went over 5 times how I would have it taken out of my taxes or some poo poo.

Far as I know they haven't touched my precious bennies.... So win for me I guess against big armies

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spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

I was a pay officer with literal millions of dollars in a giant safe in Iraq. I had an armed squad escort me all over the place too.

At the end of that tour, turning in the money, I had 6 dollars more than my receipts said I should have.

The army civilians made it a big loving deal for no discernable reason.

A Festivus Miracle
Dec 19, 2012

I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

mods changed my name posted:

Man, when people in the army thought they had any sort of real sway over civilian poo poo I wanted to go nuts.

My unit had some of us drive from Polk to a Bragg in tmp vans and gave a safety brief to drive safe and so on, so I kept driving the speed limit and getting left behind. I asked if I was being ordered to break the law and it kinda dropped but some dumbass was like
"but we're in a convoy!!" like the police wouldn't give a poo poo, and like lol if you think I wouldn't be hung to dry if I was given a ticket

drat skippy dude. My current supervisor is one of the rare people who will actually wait for his truck.

We had this truck at my last place we called Shipwreck. It was this ancient Ford that just would not die. The original cushions had gotten so mangled that SOP was to put your gear bag in the frame of the seat and ride on that. The vehicle was pretty underpowered to begin with before they dumped 2 tons of a truck bed that looked like they had gotten someone's cousin to put together on it. Consequently it would top out at 62 MPH.

So of course, every time we rode in the drat thing, the C1 would just go hauling rear end down the road, 80 MPH, in a loving 6 ton CCV. The one time a C1 stopped to wait for us was to yell at the driver for not keeping up with the CCV. The dude driving had gotten kicked out of the Army for coke so, being a protected class, straight up told the C1 to stop driving like an rear end in a top hat.

Welp thats my story gently caress this place

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

I took over my platoon in theater after one of the PLs got relieved. Needless to say, some of the stuff there and some was back in the states. Having paid attention in OCS and IOBC to the property class I told my CO I wouldn't sign for stuff I couldn't look at. "LT I'll tell you how this is going work, you're going to loving sign those loving hand receipts. Is that clear?"

When it was time for me change over about $1000 worth of stuff was missing. I found out that day my platoon liked me because when the word got out stuff started appearing throughout the day and I was told not to ask where it came from. They got it down to like $200.

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
All these end of fiscal year funding issues obviously happens every year so why the gently caress are major training events constantly scheduled at the end of the fiscal year. May as well just block off September 20th through October 20th as off limits to training because paying for poo poo turns into a giant pain in the rear end.

The field grades tossing this poo poo on the calendar every year have like 15 years in the Army so this can't be new....so....why?

Their 1LT S4s can't just conjure money out of thin air.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Has the training each year been cancelled or otherwise non-conducted due to funding?

No?

That’s why it’s still on the calendar.

Lugnut Seatcushion
May 4, 2013
Lipstick Apathy
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Lugnut Seatcushion fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Jun 18, 2020

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Skar posted:

As a soon to be S4 your posting has me shook

“Figure it out, S4.”

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
It's not too bad when you have a good NCOIC that can handle the day to day stuff like processing FLIPLS and making sure the supply rooms are squared away with GCSSA and whatnot.

It's definitely the biggest learning experience I've ever had, changed the way I look at problems and interact with people.

Having an awful BN XO and S4 NCOIC will turn you into an alcoholic though.

Retrowave Joe
Jul 20, 2001

A ton of info about the new PT test (including the FM, training guide, equipment list, and an FAQ) just hit. PM me your email address if you want it.

Edit: Couple highlights from reading this morning:

1) The test instructions basically involve saying "you've had 48 hours to review the events and standards. Any questions?"

2) Someone's gonna get the title "ball retriever". Can't wait to put that on my eval.

3) if you step over the line on the throw, you mark it zero!

Retrowave Joe fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Sep 17, 2018

SimonCat
Aug 12, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
College Slice
So, the hex-deadlift is more of a squat, isn't it?

The justifications for the PT events are the best:"

"1. Deadlift. The MDL is a strong predictor
of a Soldier’s ability to lift and carry a casualty on a litter, and to lift and move personnel and equipment.

2. Kettle Ball throw. These tasks include executing a buddy drag to pull an injured
person to a safe location, throwing equipment onto or over an obstacle, throwing a hand grenade,
assisting a buddy to climb up a wall, lifting and loading equipment, and employing progressive levels
of force in man-to-man contact.

3. Push up. The HRP tests a Soldier’s ability to push an opponent away
during man-to-man contact, push a disabled vehicle, and push up from the ground during evasion andmaneuver.
It also engages upper back muscles used when reaching out from the prone position when shooting, taking cover,
or low crawling.

4. Sprint, Drag, Carry. This capacity contributes to a Soldier’s ability to react quickly to direct and indirect fire, build a hasty fighting position, and extract a casualty from a vehicle and carry them to safety.

5. Leg Tuck (LTK) has great occupational relevance and tests a Soldier’s muscular strength and
endurance. LTKassesses grip strength, shoulder adduction and flexion, elbow flexion, and trunk and hip
flexion. These movements assist Soldiersin all climbing tasks and in surmounting obstacleslike a vertical
wall, or climbing onto a shelf or up a rope. This

6. 2 Mile Run (2MR) is a test of aerobic endurance. It applies to common Soldier tasks such as dismounted
movement, ruck marching, and infiltration."

I like how they completely half-assed the justification for the 2 mile run. You know it's in there just because it always has been.

SimonCat fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Sep 18, 2018

Oxygenpoisoning
Feb 21, 2006
Hex Bar Deadlift is actually a lot safer because the weight is distributed closer to your base than in front of it like a traditional barbell deadlift. It forces you to contract your glutes and hamstrings instead of your your spinal extensors like bad from can with a traditional deadlift. So you end up pulling straight up instead of back and up.

It’s one of the few smart things about the change to the new APFT, people are still going to throw their back out, but just less total.

SimonCat
Aug 12, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
College Slice

Oxygenpoisoning posted:

Hex Bar Deadlift is actually a lot safer because the weight is distributed closer to your base than in front of it like a traditional barbell deadlift. It forces you to contract your glutes and hamstrings instead of your your spinal extensors like bad from can with a traditional deadlift. So you end up pulling straight up instead of back and up.

It’s one of the few smart things about the change to the new APFT, people are still going to throw their back out, but just less total.

Those are the muscles associated with squats, deadlift is supposed to be a back exercise.

Retrowave Joe
Jul 20, 2001

SimonCat posted:

6. 2 Mile Run (2MR) is a test of aerobic endurance. It applies to common Soldier tasks such as dismounted
movement, ruck marching, and infiltration."

I like how they completely half-assed the justification for the 2 mile run. You know it's in there just because it always has been.

Yeah, its a classic case of CSMs wanting to measure "heart." The other slide deck I have from earlier this year still has references to a 1.5m run (and this test at the back), but that would've made too much sense.

Oxygenpoisoning
Feb 21, 2006

SimonCat posted:

Those are the muscles associated with squats, deadlift is supposed to be a back exercise.

Squats are glutes, hamstrings, and quads predominately. A proper form deadlift enacts your glutes and hamstrings along with your abdominals, traps, and ton of extra supporting muscles.

I’m saying the hex forces proper form since a lot of people curve their back and enact their lower back muscles, which are supposed to be rigid throughout the motion. Most people pop their rear end out first then lift with their back instead of pushing their hips through.

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

I never understood why the Marines run three loving miles for their PFT.

Naked Bear
Apr 15, 2007

Boners was recorded before a studio audience that was alive!
It's their way of pretending that they have more heart.

Retrowave Joe
Jul 20, 2001

EBB posted:

I never understood why the Marines run three loving miles for their PFT.

So they can outrun Okinawa PD

Valtonen
May 13, 2014

Tanks still suck but you don't gotta hand it to the Axis either.
Well If pushup is for pushing disabled vehicles us tankers are gonna have to max it. ”Private you, push that m1!”

Retrowave Joe
Jul 20, 2001

Right now looks like you'd need 30 to pass, max at 70. So enjoy doing 70.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Looking forward to seeing which jobs they slate into which categories. And seeing if they decide every single officer needs to be the top tier because, hey, you could command anyone!

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit

Valtonen posted:

Well If pushup is for pushing disabled vehicles us tankers are gonna have to max it. ”Private you, push that m1!”

I want to know which disabled vehicle those assholes are thinking of pushing, certainly nothing in theater

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

I wonder if we'll be allowed to take our shoes off for the deadlift?

not caring here
Feb 22, 2012

blazemastah 2 dry 4 u
You already know the answer to that.

Retrowave Joe
Jul 20, 2001

mlmp08 posted:

Looking forward to seeing which jobs they slate into which categories. And seeing if they decide every single officer needs to be the top tier because, hey, you could command anyone!

The latest I have has E9+, WO4+, and O5+ only having to meet the gold standard.

Heavy (Black) - Infantry, Armor, Motor Transport Operator, Cav Scout, Armor Crew Member, and others

Significant (Gray) - Rocket System Crew Member, MP, Combat Medic, Watercraft Engineer, Petroleum Supply Specialist, Wire Systems Installer, and others

Moderate (Gold) - Dental Specialist, Ammo Specialist, Tracked Vehicle Repairer, Logistical Specialist, Air Traffic Control Repair Specialist, Fire Control Repairer, and others

They need to add a Minimal (Brown) - Human Resources Specialists, Cyber hacker dudes, Intel Analysts, Public Affairs Specialist, Chaplains Assistant, and others

Retrowave Joe fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Sep 18, 2018

its curtains for Kevin
Nov 14, 2011

Fruit is proof that the gods exist and love us.

Just kidding!

Life is meaningless
As if I needed another reason to not be 88m

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

its curtains for Kevin posted:

As if I needed another reason to not be 88m

For real.

Last I saw air defense was all in the medium or low level, except short range air defense, so maybe in the name of combat arms solidarity, they’ll make all the button pushers go into the “hard mode” category.

its curtains for Kevin
Nov 14, 2011

Fruit is proof that the gods exist and love us.

Just kidding!

Life is meaningless
I mean they’re not wrong. It’s physically demanding the moment you’re out on asr Tampa changing hett tires while locals consider running you over with their euro Mitsubishi truck full of sheep and rice

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

not caring here posted:

You already know the answer to that.

Ankles are going to snap.

not caring here
Feb 22, 2012

blazemastah 2 dry 4 u
Situps have probably ruined a million spines, sounds like they've just got a lot of catching up to do.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

not caring here posted:

Situps have probably ruined a million spines, sounds like they've just got a lot of catching up to do.

Personally I'm super stoked to run carrying 40 pound kettlebells in each hand.



I get that we want to have SM's that are in reasonable physical shape. And I understand that, as a massive beaurocracy, there as to be some kind of measurement tool for a minimum standard.

I just think there has to be a better way. Our physical fitness is a mess.

I got my permanent profile when I was 26 for a couple of herniated discs. I've never been in better shape in my life than when I started doing PT on my own. And I have no herniated, or even bulging, discs anymore.

spacetoaster fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Sep 18, 2018

Valtonen
May 13, 2014

Tanks still suck but you don't gotta hand it to the Axis either.

spacetoaster posted:


I get that we want to have SM's that are in ”reasonable” physical shape.

See thats the problem, I dont think Army has that R-word in use. It sounds dirty, like the word itself is missing Heart.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Valtonen posted:

See thats the problem, I dont think Army has that R-word in use. It sounds dirty, like the word itself is missing Heart.

I'll counsel myself. Hard.

Dream Weaver
Jan 23, 2007
Sweat Baby, sweat baby
So in the same week I found out that I am getting replaced by a senior CPT as the S4, I’m deploying to HOA in fy 19 as the Hq(-) 4 and that deploying won’t help me complete my CAQC or CCC beforehand. I remember hearing that deploying troops can bump people from seats, but I can’t get a seat at LOG CC at all now. 😂 oh well. Anyone who’s went to HOA know how hard it will be to get internet so I can get my M.S.? Also the CAQC pipeline sucks. Phase 3 is a 6 month online course, and they wonder why there are so few MOSQ 38A CPTs....

Oxygenpoisoning
Feb 21, 2006

White Chocolate posted:

So in the same week I found out that I am getting replaced by a senior CPT as the S4, I’m deploying to HOA in fy 19 as the Hq(-) 4 and that deploying won’t help me complete my CAQC or CCC beforehand. I remember hearing that deploying troops can bump people from seats, but I can’t get a seat at LOG CC at all now. 😂 oh well. Anyone who’s went to HOA know how hard it will be to get internet so I can get my M.S.? Also the CAQC pipeline sucks. Phase 3 is a 6 month online course, and they wonder why there are so few MOSQ 38A CPTs....

See if you can sit in the SOF CCC at Bragg, it’s two months shorter and it’s super laid back. It already had CA reservist in it occasionally do it’s not out of he norm.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
I can't stop myself from laughing as I witness a multinational fires cell conduct fire missions with a british captain saying ''dash cunning'' to two young LEFTENANTS as they pore over maps, drink tea, and completely disregard the guns going off around them in the most upper class accent imaginable.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Sep 18, 2018

Dream Weaver
Jan 23, 2007
Sweat Baby, sweat baby

Oxygenpoisoning posted:

See if you can sit in the SOF CCC at Bragg, it’s two months shorter and it’s super laid back. It already had CA reservist in it occasionally do it’s not out of he norm.

Do they even have seats for reservists lmao?

Oxygenpoisoning
Feb 21, 2006
Yes. I went through with two CA reservists. Granted that was 2014

SimonCat
Aug 12, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
College Slice

spacetoaster posted:

Personally I'm super stoked to run carrying 40 pound kettlebells in each hand.



I get that we want to have SM's that are in reasonable physical shape. And I understand that, as a massive beaurocracy, there as to be some kind of measurement tool for a minimum standard.

I just think there has to be a better way. Our physical fitness is a mess.

I got my permanent profile when I was 26 for a couple of herniated discs. I've never been in better shape in my life than when I started doing PT on my own. And I have no herniated, or even bulging, discs anymore.

Has the regular Army even started training soldiers to perform the new test's events? I've been in a long time and I've never had any PT instruction that went beyond calisthenics, certainly never any instruction on how to train with weights in a gym.

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Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
Why would the Army start doing anything reasonable? That's not part of our culture and traditions.

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