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Foo Diddley
Oct 29, 2011

cat
There's a Dwarf Fortress podcast where one of the guys makes the mistake of asking Tarn Adams what his thesis was about. They had to cut the response from the podcast, but had a seperate download for people who really wanted to hear it

Let's just say it was a bit more involved than Sandi's response

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iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Neltharak posted:

I'm fine with graphics that low, especially for innovative projects like this. Hell, i lost entirely too long to SCP Secret laboratory with my tabletop group, and that had _shit_ graphics as well.

I mean yeah, it's innovative, but in this day and age, graphics are a huge hook, and those aren't doing it for me.

No, I don't care about super max top of the line YOU NEED A 10K USD COMPUTER TO EVEN THINK ABOUT RUNNING THIS GAME type poo poo, I only care if it's better or worse than HL2, which this doesn't do :shrug:

Though I'm more than willing to watch the SC fanboys flail as this game does everything else SC does and better. Including run at more than 10 FPS :v:

ggangensis
Aug 24, 2018

:10bux:

HoneyBakedMAN posted:

I just googled 'Sandi Gardiner thesis', 'Sandi Gardiner publications', and 'Sandi Gardiner UCLA', and didn't see poo poo related to academics, just Star Citizen drama. That's the extent of my efforts, I'm not gonna bother digging through Derrick's blog. Can someone give me the TLDR?

Have you tried Mae Demming?

Peter.Quint
Mar 16, 2018

Neltharak posted:

Someone that needs to deal with a lot of whales.

Genuinely laughed out loud at that one.

Dementropy
Aug 23, 2010









ggangensis
Aug 24, 2018

:10bux:

G0RF posted:

Re-experience the magic, courtesy of SomethingJones:

And the best thing is: Even if the most productive thing she has ever done in her life was participating in tickle porn she still won't need to go to work again for a single day, even if CIG is long gone. Same goes for Chris and his entourage.
There is no way they can't keep the money they paid themselves as salary since "they tried to deliver the bdsse". They will, a few years down the road, announce that they can't continue developing SC and SQ42 due to technical limitations or some poo poo and thats basically it. Remaining whales will say "drat, poor Chris, he tried but didn't stand a chance against the the haters/the bad press/derek smart/lame tech nvidia and intel are providing" or something along those lines, a few people will be midlly pissed off and neither Chris, Erin nor Sandi will work in this industry again. But who cares (hint: they won't), they became multimillionaires over this.

I can literally imagine Sandi looking at her bank account thinking "Man, what luck... I can't believe how stupid these people are...". With Chris its probably another story, he might still think he really deserves all the money and might even have good intentions, but who knows at this point?

Yes, I'am salty. They found another loophole, basically scamming nerds out of money, keeping it via their salary and its all perfectly legal. If you scam old ladies out of money on the phone or the door and get caught you certainly won't keep the money from that, but Sandi and Chris will, no matter how this ends.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

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Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

ggangensis posted:

And the best thing is: Even if the most productive thing she has ever done in her life was participating in tickle porn she still won't need to go to work again for a single day, even if CIG is long gone. Same goes for Chris and his entourage.
There is no way they can't keep the money they paid themselves as salary since "they tried to deliver the bdsse". They will, a few years down the road, announce that they can't continue developing SC and SQ42 due to technical limitations or some poo poo and thats basically it. Remaining whales will say "drat, poor Chris, he tried but didn't stand a chance against the the haters/the bad press/derek smart/lame tech nvidia and intel are providing" or something along those lines, a few people will be midlly pissed off and neither Chris, Erin nor Sandi will work in this industry again. But who cares (hint: they won't), they became multimillionaires over this.

I can literally imagine Sandi looking at her bank account thinking "Man, what luck... I can't believe how stupid these people are...". With Chris its probably another story, he might still think he really deserves all the money and might even have good intentions, but who knows at this point?

Yes, I'am salty. They found another loophole, basically scamming nerds out of money, keeping it via their salary and its all perfectly legal. If you scam old ladies out of money on the phone or the door and get caught you certainly won't keep the money from that, but Sandi and Chris will, no matter how this ends.

:same:

It's too depressing to think about so I try not to, but sometimes it comes around and hits you again: they found a way to steal legally. And it's not like the money is going to nice people or anything - which would still be wrong, but would soften the blow. Nope - garbage people steal cash and keep it and being an rear end in a top hat totally paid off bigtime no matter what fairy tale endings tell us.

Lladre
Jun 28, 2011


Soiled Meat

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

I genuinely think that might be Starfield. At least in single player. Personally I just want a great version of Privateer. I don't even give a poo poo about the MMO part, I am way too drat busy.

Yeah, a good solo space game would be pretty chill.

Neltharak
Jun 7, 2013

Hav posted:

Lobotomy Corporation is a decent little monster manager with an SCP aesthetic.

SCP is one of those supremely variable writing projects that I adore, but I'm not sure that games do it justice.

http://www.scp-wiki.net/ - just start anywhere. It varies, but when it shines it shines.

Oh yeah, some of the writing there is fantastic. The antimemetics series gave me, in no particular order : Nightmares, a plot hook for a DND campaign, and more nightmares.

Tinfoil Papercut
Jul 27, 2016

by Athanatos
Hey MoMa, I hope you remember me asking you several months ago to post a video of you enjoying the gaming sensation of Star Citizen.


How's that coming along?

Morphix
May 21, 2003

by Reene
it's strange how so many of the 'citizen' responses to concern threads use this exact verbage

quote:

In 3.2 we just got the ability to Overdrive components, for example.

...for example one might think that these spaceautists have developed their own marketing lingo, or for example one may think that these are automated posts

for example

BumbleOne
Jul 1, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
the reddit snippets we get here look like a bunch of bots chatting with each other seriously. its like always the same text blocks endlessly rearranged + seasoned with the current buzzword.

will this really go on until eternity?
until the king of all cosmos wraps it all up in a giant katamari??

ggangensis
Aug 24, 2018

:10bux:

Scruffpuff posted:

:same:

It's too depressing to think about so I try not to, but sometimes it comes around and hits you again: they found a way to steal legally. And it's not like the money is going to nice people or anything - which would still be wrong, but would soften the blow. Nope - garbage people steal cash and keep it and being an rear end in a top hat totally paid off bigtime no matter what fairy tale endings tell us.

True, it is depressing.
I find it really bizarre that their business model works for them the way it does for several years now. You could say Chris found a perfect business model in selling dreams and I often feel that the game is more of a nuisance to them than anything else. They need to keep working on it, true, but actually it isn't so important anymore. Even if it never comes out, so what? All the higher ups at CIG are basically set for life. And while it lasts they can produce their Youtube videos, once a year they have their CitizenCon, Sandi appears in some b-movies, a vacation in monaco here and there, you can send a few Capos like Lando over to Germany for vacation, a random trip to Vegas... And all of that whilst getting paid extremely well. So why release a game? Everyone interested in it bought it already and an ingame shop needs a working game since people want to use their bought items. Why do that if you can make money through selling some jpegs?
Maybe Crytek lawsuit will bring an end to it sooner than expected, but I highly doubt anyone at CIG would need to stand in with its own (well... actually, the backers) money.

monkeytek
Jun 8, 2010

It wasn't an ELE that wiped out the backer funds. It was Tristan Timothy Taylor.

Tinfoil Papercut posted:

Hey MoMa, I hope you remember me asking you several months ago to post a video of you enjoying the gaming sensation of Star Citizen.


How's that coming along?

He is having more content getting to the loading screen than most AAA games can ever hope to provide. Once he manages to actually load in he will be sure to prove you wrong. Evil FUDster!

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

Baxta posted:

You forgot it enabled even faster development because they are in a different timezone so its effectively 24/7 development.

ggangensis
Aug 24, 2018

:10bux:

:gary:

Love these old posts. Especially from Chris himself, "We have enough money to develop SC even if funding dries up tomorrow"

JugbandDude
Jul 19, 2016

Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun

Shine on you crazy diamond!

ggangensis posted:

True, it is depressing.
I find it really bizarre that their business model works for them the way it does for several years now. You could say Chris found a perfect business model in selling dreams and I often feel that the game is more of a nuisance to them than anything else. They need to keep working on it, true, but actually it isn't so important anymore. Even if it never comes out, so what? All the higher ups at CIG are basically set for life. And while it lasts they can produce their Youtube videos, once a year they have their CitizenCon, Sandi appears in some b-movies, a vacation in monaco here and there, you can send a few Capos like Lando over to Germany for vacation, a random trip to Vegas... And all of that whilst getting paid extremely well. So why release a game? Everyone interested in it bought it already and an ingame shop needs a working game since people want to use their bought items. Why do that if you can make money through selling some jpegs?
Maybe Crytek lawsuit will bring an end to it sooner than expected, but I highly doubt anyone at CIG would need to stand in with its own (well... actually, the backers) money.

I don't find it depressing, I just find it funny.

I like sleeping well at night, knowing my money is earned out of hard work, as opposed to questionable marketing/sales practices.

Nancy
Nov 23, 2005



Young Orc

Man I was not aware someone tried to timecube Star Citizen development. I knew Chris had some hogwash about how their dev dollars counted for 3x as much cause they have no publisher or some poo poo, but really hard to believe someone could be so dumb as to think the dev work of 100+ people could just be passed of when each "shift" is over.

What type of environment artist or modeler or coder could even deal with 16 hours worth of changes every time they came back to their project??

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard
Star Citizen: Going Beyond Crowdfunding

RabbitWizard
Oct 21, 2008

Muldoon

30 mins: getting the code from the previous guy and an explanation
4 hours: writing additional code
1 hour: break
3 hours: writing additional code
30 mins: giving your code to the next guy and an explanation

8 hours of work with 1 hour break, I see nothing wrong with that. That's how development works.

tooterfish
Jul 13, 2013

It just says it allows them to, it doesn't say they will.

They technically broke no promises, checkmate you FUDstering goon!

Nancy
Nov 23, 2005



Young Orc
Chris is so smart. In 2 weeks, all those multiple millions of Squadron 42 sales will equal pure profit cause he doesn't even need to pay Kickstarter fees anymore!

BumbleOne
Jul 1, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

JugbandDude posted:

I don't find it depressing, I just find it funny.

I like sleeping well at night, knowing my money is earned out of hard work, as opposed to questionable marketing/sales practices.

i think so too its just funny. think of a real bad musician who produces garbage music but still becomes rich. you look at the fans and recognize they barely classify as human. you laugh.

One in the Bum
Apr 25, 2014

Hair Elf

Imagine writing a bit of code but not finishing before you have to hand it off to the next office. The guy there doesn't know what you were trying to do so he spends all shift rewriting it to hand off to the third office. Someone there takes it and rewrites it again thinking that you were working on a completely different component of the program. The next morning you get your code back and it's nothing like what you had previously so you toss it out and start over.

This is what I imagine happens at CIG on an ongoing basis.

One in the Bum fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Sep 18, 2018

Neltharak
Jun 7, 2013

Krycek posted:

Imagine writing a bit of code but not finishing before you have to hand it off to the next office. The guy there doesn't know what you were trying to do so he spends all shift rewriting it to hand off to the third office. Someone there takes it and rewrites it again thinking that you were working on a completely different component of the program. The next morning you get your code back and it's nothing like what you had previously so you toss it out and start over.

This is what I imagine happens at CIG on an ongoing basis.

Add passive aggressive criticism of the management in the comments and that's my idea.

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer
from what I heard/seen it was more like:

quote:

You get into the office and wonder "What the gently caress is it now?" because there's a printed (a PRINTED) email, held with orange painter's tape, stuck to your desk chair. It reads:

ALL,

This is !IMPORTANT! Stop everything !and I mean everything! that you are doing on [FEATURE]. This has been moved to Team Blue. If you were on Blue, you are now on Orange and your priorities have shifted. Pigeon. Orange currently does not have a Team Lead, so all information is to be passed to [EXECUTIVE] for approval, using standard format. Add -- ORANGE -- to your email headers on all internal communications.

We need you to read this carefully! Once you read this, call [EXECUTIVE] and say the word that doesn't belong.

Morphix
May 21, 2003

by Reene

TheAgent posted:

from what I heard/seen it was more like:

i see no reason why developers would ever want to work together to better their work environment, working under Roberts seems pretty pretty cool

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

Neltharak posted:

Oh yeah, some of the writing there is fantastic. The antimemetics series gave me, in no particular order : Nightmares, a plot hook for a DND campaign, and more nightmares.

No poo poo. There have been simple little ideas folded in some of those things that are pure nightmare fuel, and *they make you think about them*.


TheAgent posted:

from what I heard/seen it was more like:

Team Ultraviolet, please report for vaporization.

Have a good day, and know that the computer loves you.

poo poo, this could be a paranoia module.

Edit: To keep up productivity, we will be switching to BSD bracing style on every third Wednesday of the month, and back to C bracing on every second Monday.

Hav fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Sep 18, 2018

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

space-X-chicken posted:

i think so too its just funny. think of a real bad musician who produces garbage music but still becomes rich. you look at the fans and recognize they barely classify as human. you laugh.

Does Uwe Boll have actual fans?

G0RF
Mar 19, 2015

Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.
Curiously timed, I may have missed it when posting that interview earlier...

GLASSDOOR: HR Department is a Shocking Mess

quote:

Sep 15, 2018

"HR Department is a Shocking Mess"

Former Employee - Anonymous Employee in Wilmslow, England (UK)

— Doesn't Recommend
— Negative Outlook
— CEO

I worked at Cloud Imperium Games full-time (More than a year)

Pros
The Development teams are over-worked and the project has no real direction, however many developers are doing their best to keep the project on track.

Cons
HR has no clue what they are doing, especially in the UK and US offices. Constantly making mistakes, and terrible at the recruitment process and gave many bad / negatives impressions and experiences to potential employees. The Studios will never grow whilst these HR people are in place.

Advice to Management
Change your Entire HR team, they are useless and unprofessional.

But HR falls under Sandi’s domain, right? So it’s not possible that it could be anything other than exemplary, right? Plus, the project lacking direction sounds no more likely — Chris Roberts is in charge and he is a director with vision

This all seems like whining for butthurt snowflakes who can’t cut it, really...

Double Agent
Mar 28, 2005

Maybe we're not just a bunch of frak-ups after all.
Tane

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

space-X-chicken posted:

the reddit snippets we get here look like a bunch of bots chatting with each other seriously.

To be fair, so does this thread. Even MoMAs return doesn't change much.

CIG best do something incredibly stupid soon otherwise i'm going to get bored. Fortunately, i presume that is assured.

BumbleOne
Jul 1, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Agony Aunt posted:

To be fair, so does this thread. Even MoMAs return doesn't change much.

CIG best do something incredibly stupid soon otherwise i'm going to get bored. Fortunately, i presume that is assured.

i agree. it gets a little stale. lets hope for the best (which, in this case, is the worst)

Preen Dog
Nov 8, 2017

RabbitWizard posted:

30 mins: getting the code from the previous guy and an explanation
4 hours: writing additional code
1 hour: break
3 hours: writing additional code
30 mins: giving your code to the next guy and an explanation

8 hours of work with 1 hour break, I see nothing wrong with that. That's how development works.

You forgot:

5 hours:. Futzing around, pretending to work, because moving forward on your ultra-critical task from Chris himself depends on an email reply from someone who is currently sleeping.

Strangler 42
Jan 8, 2007

SHAVE IT ALL OFF
ALL OF IT

Agony Aunt posted:

To be fair, so does this thread. Even MoMAs return doesn't change much.

CIG best do something incredibly stupid soon otherwise i'm going to get bored. Fortunately, i presume that is assured.

Get hype for CitCON! There's no telling the kind of gently caress-ups they have planned for us this year! Hell, they might even give us an early sneak preview and start hacking bits off of the 3.3 release before the big show!

Dementropy
Aug 23, 2010



Grubby Hobo
Feb 13, 2018

There's something else about bears not many people know. If a bear gets hooked on the taste of crowdfunding, it becomes a man-killer. He'll go on a rampage and has to be destroyed. And that's why you should never hug a bear.

RabbitWizard posted:

30 mins: getting the code from the previous guy and an explanation
4 hours: writing additional code
1 hour: break
3 hours: writing additional code
30 mins: giving your code to the next guy and an explanation

8 hours of work with 1 hour break, I see nothing wrong with that. That's how development works.

Yup, that is development in a fine-tuned theorycrafted organization. It never ever works like this.

1 hour: Trying to figure out what the last guy did because you can't reach him
2 hours: Deciding that what he did was a complete mess and you want to either throw it away or get him to explain why you shouldn't
15 minutes: Writing long email to absent developer about how you can't do anything until you two can talk.
3 hours, 45 minutes: Reading SA, Spectrum, and Reddit, to find some reason, any reason, to believe that you are working toward some purpose
1 hour: Browsing LinkedIn

Lord Stimperor
Jun 13, 2018

I'm a lovable meme.

Just to chime in on the :science: chat, I think it's disingenuous to say that you didn't really do a PhD if you can't summarise it in less than 500 words. Being able to concisely convey complex concepts (that's a nice alliteration btw) is a skill, not a weakness. And it's useful because your research can be a great conversation starter! If anybody asks me, I explain my PhD in two or three sentences usually. It wasn't an unproductive PhD by any stretch: when my last manuscripts get accepted, I'll have four to five peer-reviewed experiment reports + 1.5 opinion pieces to my name. So it's not like I didn't do anything.

But I also had a project where I continually had to talk to patients, regulators, clinicians, and sometimes just interested laypeople. And I regularly stood in front of elementary school kids trying to explain to them what the brain is and how you can measure it with fancy scanners. That helps tremendously to boil your work down to a few bullet points 'for grandma'. It has the side benefit of keeping your own writing sharp and on-point, since you have to force yourself to not lose sight of the big picture. In my field there's a strong culture to promote outreach and science communication in general, that helps a lot.


Now I've made myself sad that I'm leaving :smithcloud:




Oh and I think you can also use someone's explanation of complex technical matters to gauge whether they are just quacks or legit experts. Are they trying to woo you with lots of meaningless technobabble, useless namedropping of jargon, and random screenshots of IDEs and rendering programs? Scammers. Can they concisely, clearly (!), and without logical gaps explain why they made certain choices and do they properly convey the consequences of these choices? Legit. Hence, every techno talk by CIG ever.

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Pixelate
Jan 6, 2018

"You win by having fun"

Beet Wagon posted:

pulsar loving rules, it is literally everything star citizens want except "fidelity" and it's funny cause it's a super small team IIRC

They still can't get the VR working properly though :argh:

Checkmate pulsies

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