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Pick posted:Until I decided to bother, I didn't even know where ops was on ds9 lol. I mean you can assume maybe the center, but center top? center bottom? you don't know. it was made by lizards. i have no idea where the toilets are. Cardassians do not poop
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Windows 98 posted:Cardassians do not poop I mean I figure they might be like snakes and all excretions come out as that weird little urea corndog. but that would require them to drink much less and they're drinking red leaf tea all the time. the questions stack up, the mind--it boggles
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I remember in an episode of DS9 (I think it was an early one, maybe even the first one) they mentioned that Cardassian design philosophy meant that the commander's office was raised up above his subordiates in Ops. Which is all well and good as an authoritarian alien design philosophy, except Ops wasn't actually arranged that way, it had a bunch of consoles and workstations on the same level as the office. 
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Sep 19, 2018 05:05
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HD DAD posted:What bothers me about the E bridge is that I could never get a full sense of how it was laid out. The D bridge (and gently caress, the TOS bridge too) were so well designed that they were almost a character in themselves. Yeah, ops sucked too. No structure. The situation table was good but the outer layer was just a mish-mash. Voyager was pretty decent in terms of comprehensibility for the audience but it was a bit too wide for a 4:3 show and the sides just got lost. I can't even visualise the left and right. But the E is a disaster in terms of both structure and the horrible dark pointy design cues. How did we go from this  to this  in a few years MikeJF fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Sep 19, 2018 |
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Sep 19, 2018 05:11
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The Defiant was decent. Compact and very simple so it couldn’t really do anything fancy with the space but things had there place, most of time. Sometimes a random main cast member would yell about something from one of the rear panels because they hadn’t said something in a while but that was about it.
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Sep 19, 2018 05:45
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I can agree with the point that the E bridge doesn't have a great sense of overall layout, but I really like how individualized everything is. The single-person standing consoles, the Captain's solo chair being slightly elevated instead of on a flat line, the enclosed nature of the pilot and operations consoles that are divided from each other and wrap around the chair, for me it creates this neat sense of everyone having a personal space, personal responsibilities, and are given the tools they need for that job in a compartmentalized, utilitarian fashion. The E's bridge does have a character (although it's undermined by that inability to get an overall picture of it), and it reflects the evolution of Pre and Post 359 Starfleet Design. As ships left behind the Galaxy and Intrepid-era softness, grace and aplomb for a harder, darker, more militarized aesthetic that we see in the Akira, Steamrunner and Sovereign, the bridge design leaves behind the round edges, the excessive open space, and the more egalitarian and communal designs of it's controls and seating arrangements for a setup where there are levels of importance with the captain on top, and the pieces that make up controls are emphasized over the greater whole.
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Sep 19, 2018 06:01
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Using deep blue to light bridge sets, instead of soft white, is like when a person holds a candle underneath their face and the shadows all look wrong.
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Sep 19, 2018 07:08
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so I could say that I finally figured out what this god damned cube is doing. Get well Lowtax.
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Not satisfied with putting rocks and electrified plasma behind every console, Starfleet has begun to experiment with how many tripping hazards they can cram into a single room.
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Sep 19, 2018 07:15
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The Ent-D bridge from Generations is my favorite iteration of it, adding a few consoles to the sides where those... padding things (?) on the walls are.
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Sep 19, 2018 07:26
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kira nerys should've been a lesbian. she also should've dated dax. dax/kira makes way more sense than kira/odo and dax/worf #LetKiraKissGirls
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Sep 19, 2018 07:36
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:I still don't think I've ever yet encountered a single example of anyone disliking the Orville, who does so without referencing a (it seems) personal vendetta against Family Guy, and usually MacFarlane specifically. The commercials for it made my soul want to die in a 7/10 Star Wars Detours level
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Sep 19, 2018 07:43
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Sanguinia posted:When I said "Family guy style humor," I was mostly talking about Non-Sequitur off-color jokes, like in an episode I watched the other day where when discussing a 2-Dimensional world the helmsman made "oblique," references to how 4th Dimensional beings might be watching him masturbate in his bunk. Family Guy is as full of those kinds of jokes as it is cutaway gags. I don't think Family Guy has a monopoly on off colour gags and weed references but I mean, I get that certain kinds of humour can be off putting to different people. Have you seen Stargate SG1? I don't think The Orville is really that different in tone from those shows (it could appear more serious than it was due to the military stuff, I think) and I think The Orville gets some flack because just because it's Seth Macfarlane. If I cherry pick even I can find stuff in STD that doesn't suck, ideas that at least on paper aren't bad or could even be interesting, we can do this with nearly any episode or movie in the franchise if we look hard enough. In this show I find these things are overshadowed by stuff like the main character committing war crimes and everybody just kind of nurrrghing it off because we're at war, maaan, the show's escape from one comically grim universe to another, even grimmer reality, or the way they Poochie'd their big mess of a serialized story arc so they could have the Enterprise show up in the last 10 seconds, or all the weird rape poo poo that was like watching that horrible Voyager episode where Seven gets her nanoprobes stolen only unmercifully stretched out over a season, or Like the show itself is not entertaining to me, but I feel that the hell dimension of 2018 would produce a Star Trek like this and that thought is as consistently amusing as it is sad Now, as for this talk about people "burying a show to prop up another show" that makes no sense to me, liking/disliking shows is not a team sport and if people are hyped for the cool and fun friends adventure in space show and talk poo poo about the mopey war crime lady emo poetry slam hour then welp
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Low Desert Punk posted:kira nerys should've been a lesbian. she also should've dated dax. dax/kira makes way more sense than kira/odo and dax/worf Kira clearly cares about other crap more than dating and shouldn't have been hitting anything beige and politically influential that darkened ds9's doorway
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Drone posted:The Ent-D bridge from Generations is my favorite iteration of it, adding a few consoles to the sides where those... padding things (?) on the walls are. Yeah. In an ideal world they would've added them with a bit more space, but that would've taken a complete set rebuild. The padding things are drawers and access panels. They use them like once. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Sep 19, 2018 |
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I prefer DS9 Ops because there’s flat surfaces to put cups of I’m not sure there’s a single flat horizontal surface on the Ent-D bridge. I’m guessing it puts a lot of automation on the computer that it’s not nearly as busy, considering it’s the hub of running the ship. Also, I hate the standing consoles on Ent-E because they’re all just slightly too short. As someone with a bad back they make me wince.
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Sep 19, 2018 10:13
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The Enterprise-E had seatbelts in the bridge chairs. So instead of getting tossed to the floor when there was an attack, you were buckled up nice and tight so the console panel rocks flew directly at your skull and face. An honorable death.
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Sep 19, 2018 10:32
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The_Doctor posted:I’m not sure there’s a single flat horizontal surface on the Ent-D bridge. I’m guessing it puts a lot of automation on the computer that it’s not nearly as busy, considering it’s the hub of running the ship. That was the idea; that you wouldn't need that many people and controls would be simple, because the computer could do so much. These days, though, I think we'd say that even if you didn't need many controls, you'd want lots of displays and visualisations, and people would still be there but in the role of monitoring and deciding which data should be promoted to the captain's attention.
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Sep 19, 2018 10:54
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MikeJF posted:That was the idea; that you wouldn't need that many people and controls would be simple, because the computer could do so much.
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Nessus posted:This seemed to actually be the main purpose of Ops, and I kind of wonder how well that worked out when your Ops guy wasn't the night shift sleepless robot you can work like a dog. I mean maybe it was, but the only person ever actually using a station in Ops and saying things was Dax.
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MikeJF posted:I mean maybe it was, but the only person ever actually using a station in Ops and saying things was Dax.
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Sep 19, 2018 11:24
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Nessus posted:Oh I meant on the Enterprise-D. Like that was Data's console. Ohhhh. Really, Ops was Spock's science station given a new name. But yeah, I always felt like it was way overloaded in function. Maybe on other ships the other stations do more but Data's just too quick.
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Standing consoles are awful. Much like cashiers spending their day on their feet despite not moving around a lot, it's a terrible, terrible design which is set up for a specific range of heights and proportions.
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Sep 19, 2018 11:37
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MikeJF posted:I mean maybe it was, but the only person ever actually using a station in Ops and saying things was Dax. It annoyed me that Dax, the science officer, was reduced to air traffic control.
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Sep 19, 2018 12:04
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Spocks science station kicks dick and I've always been sad that other Trek doesn't really have anything following from it. Great cost-saving measure.
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Sep 19, 2018 12:24
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The_Doctor posted:It annoyed me that Dax, the science officer, was reduced to air traffic control. It is especially annoying because she is one of the few interestingly written science officers in the respect of being a science officer. I mean, don’t get me wrong, I really love Spock, but you don’t often see the science character who is also fun and kind of a trashfire, and who is totally down to go joyfully kill some random person with her friends from her old job while drinking like a tank Usually it’s “science beep boop”
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skasion posted:Spocks science station kicks dick and I've always been sad that other Trek doesn't really have anything following from it. Great cost-saving measure.  Buy yeah, absolutely in general
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The Bloop posted:
Fair point. I’ve really got to try and rewatch this show, I’m forgetting even the things I liked about it...
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The Bloop posted:
Interestingly she appears to be wearing something akin to the Discovery uniform.
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Disco uniforms are clearly inspired by the Ent uniforms. The production in general is in a pretty similar visual style.
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Sep 19, 2018 15:16
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(Malfunctioning) Emergency Holographic Science Officer: "This is the 'Science station.' This is where science people come."
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Pick posted:It is especially annoying because she is one of the few interestingly written science officers in the respect of being a science officer. I mean, don’t get me wrong, I really love Spock, but you don’t often see the science character who is also fun and kind of a trashfire, and who is totally down to go joyfully kill some random person with her friends from her old job while drinking like a tank Jadzia was fuckin down to party and that’s like all she cared about aside from cool science poo poo and being a weeb about Klingons. Good character.
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The season 2 finale of ENT seems like they are really ramping up the Time Cold War and going in that direction because they ran out of Trek ideas they could rehash
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Windows 98 posted:The season 2 finale of ENT seems like they are really ramping up the Time Cold War and going in that direction because they ran out of Trek ideas they could rehash lol no they aren't don't worry it goes nowhere
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Sep 19, 2018 18:05
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MikeJF posted:The padding things are drawers and access panels. They use them like once. In season one, they were wood-grain slide panels.  Later on they became padded beige pop-off panels.  It seems they were a fairly easy background thing to change for parallel universes, possible futures, or other un-realities.  Shamelessly stolen from: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/enterprise-d-bridge.htm
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The E bridge is a design step backward. The D design is a clear statement: round corners, soft edges, soft overhead light, no stairs, lots and lots of padded surfaces. Like, someone watched TOS, saw everyone getting ragdolled into the walls and floor every episode and thought "Starfleet engineers would probably read Kirk's logs and realize the bridge officers are getting concussed every ten minutes, they'd probably come up with ways to mitigate that." Whoever designed the E bridge has clearly never fallen shin-first onto a metal staircase.
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Powered Descent posted:
mm, I love alternate-universe versions of things I'm familiar with. Almost always my fave episodes of shows because they show possible other creative directions, possibly ones that were abandoned in the writer's room when they conceived the show. Different color schemes, character ideas, etc. It's cool.
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tarlibone posted:(Malfunctioning) Emergency Holographic Science Officer: "This is the 'Science station.' This is where science people come." Can't go to Holodeck like the rest of the crew, smdh.
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Brawnfire posted:mm, I love alternate-universe versions of things I'm familiar with. Almost always my fave episodes of shows because they show possible other creative directions, possibly ones that were abandoned in the writer's room when they conceived the show. Different color schemes, character ideas, etc. It's cool. 
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Brawnfire posted:mm, I love alternate-universe versions of things I'm familiar with. Almost always my fave episodes of shows because they show possible other creative directions, possibly ones that were abandoned in the writer's room when they conceived the show. Different color schemes, character ideas, etc. It's cool. Same as seeing the Enterprise all the time, and then seeing a Miranda class, or the Master’s TARDIS, stuff like that.
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The SG-1 episodes with that mirror thing, and the one where alternate SG-1 teams came pouring through the gate, including a Teal'C with a staff cannon on a strap.
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