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Barudak posted:Not really because a) PS online was a loving trash fire so people hoped money would improve it and b) it came with free modern games. When PS+ launched, you got Wipeout HD, which was 2 years old at the time, Rally Cross on PS1, and Age of Zombies on PSP. If Nintendo Online launched with free Fast RMX, Rally Racers, and Grandpa and the Zombies, as opposed to NESflix, I think people would probably just throw away their Switches and say that online was a lost cause forever.
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bushisms.txt posted:Only if you ignore me saying that no one should charge yes. If me pointing to actual facts constitutes defense against a claim, that says more about your dumb claim. "facts"
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Sep 19, 2018 18:11
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Oh my god this is dumb. We can play Darksouls this weekend.
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Sep 19, 2018 18:12
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Man all the free servers on PC games sucked a huge amount of rear end to get connected to before Steamworks made matchmaking easier. Remember having to search server aggregators? Remember Gamespy? Remember having to know the IP Address of your favorite TFC rotation? They still suck a huge amount of rear end on other PC platforms. Getting into a Battlefield 1 server was basically a dice roll every time unless you picked a nearly empty one on purpose. I don't know what's stopping Valve from monetizing access to Steamworks, but let's not pretend it's a matter of principles.
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Is there literally anybody in this thread who works in the gaming industry and has an actual idea of how any of the online stuff works, or are we going off of feelings here? Because I sure as poo poo don't. Let's talk about dead cells. I beat the clock tower boss again last night, that dude is rough if you don't stock up on upgrades. In contrast I don't think the first boss acts as much of a stat check, mostly due to his easy moveset
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Holy poo poo can y'all just lay off the Cheetos and Mt. Dew for a weekend so you can afford the $20 and thus obviate the need to continue this extremely stupid argument.
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Andrast posted:"facts" Op: pc can do it why not console Me: agreed, but that's a dumb argument You: why are you defending them? Me: I'm not, i agree but you can use better arguments You: stop defending them! Me: did you read my post? You: you're defending them! Me: by not agreeing that pc and consoles are the same? You: stop defending them!
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Takoluka posted:When PS+ launched, you got Wipeout HD, which was 2 years old at the time, Rally Cross on PS1, and Age of Zombies on PSP. If Nintendo Online launched with free Fast RMX, Rally Racers, and Grandpa and the Zombies, as opposed to NESflix, I think people would probably just throw away their Switches and say that online was a lost cause forever. I probably would have subscribed if that was the launch, assuming more games came monthly. Instead its online for a system ill probably never play online and games I drained all the fun from decades ago.
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deadly_pudding posted:Man all the free servers on PC games sucked a huge amount of rear end to get connected to before Steamworks made matchmaking easier. Remember having to search server aggregators? Remember Gamespy? Remember having to know the IP Address of your favorite TFC rotation? They still suck a huge amount of rear end on other PC platforms. Getting into a Battlefield 1 server was basically a dice roll every time unless you picked a nearly empty one on purpose. They aren't doing it because there would be massive shitstorm over it. Some big developers are already trying to move away from steam when they can get away with it too so Valve has incentive to keep their playerbase at least somewhat happy.
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bushisms.txt posted:Op: pc can do it why not console American McGay posted:The only difference is that a console manufacturer can get away with charging you for something that should be free, and a single dev house cannot.
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KingSlime posted:Is there literally anybody in this thread who works in the gaming industry and has an actual idea of how any of the online stuff works, or are we going off of feelings here? I do know that PC game developers will pass off any problems as hardware or OS problems as "not theirs" and the PC manufacturer will then pass off software problems as "not theirs" and the customer won't get poo poo Wheras Nintendo is going to be paying people to field a billion calls where they will take as long as they need with you. Good customer service ain't free
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Sep 19, 2018 18:19
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How about this let's all play Balloon Fight game C for 5 minutes and whoever gets the highest score shall have their opinion be consensus.
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Dr. VooDoo posted:*slams fist fulls of pizza rolls into my gaping maw* I am an ADULT I love this thread so much.
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Takoluka posted:When PS+ launched, you got Wipeout HD, which was 2 years old at the time, Rally Cross on PS1, and Age of Zombies on PSP. If Nintendo Online launched with free Fast RMX, Rally Racers, and Grandpa and the Zombies, as opposed to NESflix, I think people would probably just throw away their Switches and say that online was a lost cause forever. Fast RMX would be better than 3 nes games per month...hell, I might even go as far as to say it'd be better than 4.
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Do you always have to choose a profile when booting up a game even if you only have one? I remember early on not having to choose, then a friend made a profile, which I've since deleted but I'm still stuck having to choose before playing. It's not really an annoyance, but is there a fix? RE: Paying for online: It's lovely and stupid and I'm not happy to pay for online, but I'm happy that what we got is literally better than nothing. It's not saying much, but I'm an optimist and if they were going to charge, they could've done so without throwing us a bone. So at least there's that. Nintendo doesn't deserve accolades for that but again, better than nothing. Al Borland Korn posted:Could someone explain how to play Hockey to me? Cause I'm bad at it. I wouldn't mind any sort of instruction manual, they're quick enough to learn, since there's not much to do, but still it could be better explained.
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100YrsofAttitude posted:Do you always have to choose a profile when booting up a game even if you only have one? I remember early on not having to choose, then a friend made a profile, which I've since deleted but I'm still stuck having to choose before playing. It's not really an annoyance, but is there a fix? Nope. If you have multiple profiles you will always need to choose between them each time. edit: Oh right, I missed that you deleted it. You can change that in the settings. Andrast fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Sep 19, 2018 |
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Sep 19, 2018 18:28
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Nep-Nep posted:How about this let's all play Balloon Fight game C for 5 minutes and whoever gets the highest score shall have their opinion be consensus.
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Sep 19, 2018 18:29
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You can skip the login if you only have one profile on your Switch. It’s an option in system settings.
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Takoluka posted:did the playstation thread of the time turn out like this when PS+ happened and it came out that it would be required for online for the PS4? Folks don't have ridiculously strong positive/negative opinions of the PlayStation brand like they do the Nintendo brand eonwe posted:gently caress capitalism 
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Only internationalist socialism can save us from paid online
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I am excited to play Nintendo's backlog of roguelikes from the 1980's and once again embrace my controller-hurling inner rage. Bucky O'Hare when?
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Sep 19, 2018 18:33
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American McGay posted:Leaderboards would require actual editing of every single rom file, whereas allowing blanket online is much more of an emulation issue, but it still would be cool to have had. Not really, for the most part it would just require the emulator to monitor a few memory addresses specific to each game to determine when the game is finished and what the score is. The actual game engine wouldn't need to be modified or aware of the online leaderboard.
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Noctone posted:Holy poo poo can y'all just lay off the Cheetos and Mt. Dew for a weekend so you can afford the $20 and thus obviate the need to continue this extremely stupid argument. 
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I think people are fine with paying for PS+ for the same reason they pay for MMO subscriptions. It's not what you can get right now, it's what you might get in the future. A steady trickle of games and discounts keep peoples pleasure centres stimulated just enough to keep them feeling like their subscription fee is doing some work, even if they don't like the included games that month or whatever. Every month a loot box with two games and some discounts drops, and our brains love loot boxes. Plus, it only takes a couple of bonus games to "make up" (in terms of perceived value) the entire cost of PS+ for a year, so it becomes a lot easier to rationalize. On the other hand, Nintendo Online is a fee for something that most people already have been using for over a year, and no real value added otherwise. Once you pay the fee, your life goes back to the way it was before. That's basically the same experience as getting a parking ticket. It's no surprise people are reacting that way. If Nintendo implemented the exact same bonus game system as PS+, would it still feel like a rip-off? As long as there's some potential for the perceived value extracted from the subscription to exceed the actual cost of the subscription, then I think people would be a lot more willing to accept it.
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extremely capitalist bootlickishly: Holy poo poo can y'all just lay off the Cheetos and Mt. Dew for a weekend so you can afford the $20 and thus obviate the need to continue this extremely stupid argument.
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I can't even slide my horrifying body out of bed without the carb and sugar boost from my daily dose of dew and cheets.
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Volte posted:I think people are fine with paying for PS+ for the same reason they pay for MMO subscriptions. It's not what you can get right now, it's what you might get in the future. A steady trickle of games and discounts keep peoples pleasure centres stimulated just enough to keep them feeling like their subscription fee is doing some work, even if they don't like the included games that month or whatever. Every month a loot box with two games and some discounts drops, and our brains love loot boxes. Plus, it only takes a couple of bonus games to "make up" (in terms of perceived value) the entire cost of PS+ for a year, so it becomes a lot easier to rationalize. Also plenty of people think PS+ is poo poo too
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If you would just sell $20 worth of organs you could afford this service, you dumb gently caress, you absolute moron
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American McGay posted:Not gonna lie, I kinda like the "seamless online integration into every single game" approach they went with but I'm also kind of disappointed that edged out the earlier "NES games but with online leaderboards" idea because that is also a good idea. I mean, I understand why they did it. Leaderboards would require actual editing of every single rom file, whereas allowing blanket online is much more of an emulation issue, but it still would be cool to have had. The lack of any options ingame for nesflix is off putting. Luckily a bunch of the games are still charming in their own right, but leaderboards was a major reason I was excited for "the service." Really hoping it's added soon, along with button mapping.
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full disclosure: I have the online service and im 100%-ing mario 3 motherfuckers
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bushisms.txt posted:The lack of any options ingame for nesflix is off putting. Luckily a bunch of the games are still charming in their own right, but leaderboards was a major reason I was excited for nesflix. Really hoping it's added soon, along with button mapping. And also music. After the jazzy tunes of the NES and SNES classics, its weird to be greeted with a silent grid of games
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:If you would just sell $20 worth of organs you could afford this service, you dumb gently caress, you absolute moron thanks i was trying to budget my mt dew and cheetohs expenses and this really worked
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Andrast posted:Nope. If you have multiple profiles you will always need to choose between them each time. Thanks.
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I sold my switch to afford nintendo online and now I can't even play it wtf
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:full disclosure: I have the online service and im 100%-ing mario 3 motherfuckers
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Frankston posted:I sold my switch to afford nintendo online and now I can't even play it wtf
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:And also music. After the jazzy tunes of the NES and SNES classics, its weird to be greeted with a silent grid of games I literally turned up the sound expecting something wiishop-esque. Talk about disappointing. I really believe they would've pushed this back more if they thought they could get away with it. But you already see the pushback a year and a half is doing.
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Mercury Crusader posted:Folks don't have ridiculously strong positive/negative opinions of the PlayStation brand like they do the Nintendo brand but why is that? i'm actually curious as to why nintendo has a totally different standard in the industry
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